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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 168021 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#126986 Mar 25, 2014
Hey Mike, make that "fell down". Feel down is a bit off!

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#126987 Mar 25, 2014
spaceship wrote:
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Religion is dumbo jumbo that tries to beat unbelievers with a scary stick. It is full of mythical tells of magic, gods and demons. It's a powerful brainwashing tool that many will die and kill others to keep its beliefs spreading. Hitler was a christian and so was Dracula.
Science will open doors that will make religious people rethink the idea of a god. Religion will move the goal post and excuse scientific advancement and say "god did it instead".
You put your faith in technology? Do you think technology will save the human race, or help the human race become extinct? I'm not criticizing your statements, I'm striving for clarity. Many of the same criticisms you just mentioned have been brought up before in connection with belief in a deity. The communists committed mass murder in China and Russia, they were known as being anti-religion. Frankly, I think the communists looked on religion as a bar to maintaining control of the" masses".

Since: May 12

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#126988 Mar 25, 2014
Khatru wrote:
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Didn't Jesus instruct his followers to steal a donkey?
"Saying unto them, Go into the village over against you, and straightway ye shall find an ass tied, and a colt with her: loose them, and bring them unto me.
And if any man say ought unto you, ye shall say, The Lord hath need of them; and straightway he will send them."
Matthew 21:2-3
He also stole corn
"And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn."
Mark 2:23
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"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come."
Matthew 10:23
"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Matthew 16:28
Despite Jesus' utterances above - he never came back.
That makes it a lie.
These are highly debatable. I'm a little outnumbered now, but some time tonight, I will address each of your points, I'm a little busy closing the store, and responding to the other posters here, who smell "fresh meat"! Ha!

Since: May 12

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#126989 Mar 25, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Our primitive emotions are still here and not going anywhere anytime soon.
I would say self delusion is a thing that can cause diminishing returns, but at the same time, it can help keep us sane.
Everyone has a bit of self delusion, some more than others.
The "Help keep us sane" part of your remark is perspicacious, and well taken.

Since: Mar 14

United States

#126991 Mar 25, 2014
This is so ignorant. If you want to be a Christian, fine. Don't cram this idiotic faith down some kids throat. We need to teach facts to our youth, the facts of life, science, and the wonders of the universe. It is reticules to place your faith into a damn book on a faith created 2,000 years ago when our current race itself is 200,000 years old, and our homo line dates back to 2,500,000 years old! And earth? 4.5 Billion!The universe it's self? 13+ billion!
It is ignorant to think our wondrous existence was created by a damn wizard in the sky and made all of this in 7 days. It's about time we evolved as a human race and accept the discoveries we've made. Nothing good has come from Christianity, or religion. But hey, ignorance is bliss, and I suppose that's why you accept this ridicules faith and are ok with the polluting of the earth.

Since: May 12

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#126992 Mar 25, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The PC nature of what our society has become insists we not discuss religion as we do. I feel this comes from the religious side and their lack of force/power/law to silence our voice.
Islam still has the power of force/law to silence our side in their parts.
Islam goes beyond mere censorship, to outright sanctioned murder. The little girl, shot in the head, for desiring an education, the hundreds and hundreds of men killing their sisters and wives for "honor", make me sick. But, if anything is said, it's taken as an attack on Islam.

Since: Mar 14

United States

#126993 Mar 25, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>Gay Atheists, Atheist Pornographers, Atheist Child Molesters are all in the same frame of mind.

Because they hate God they have no morals or no standards for living.

It is what it is, they are liars
You're an ignorant poison. I have morals, unlike you're damn faith.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#126994 Mar 25, 2014
Suoiruc wrote:
<quoted text>
Waco1909 , You are knew on this website ,so,let me clue you in.
If you claim that it is God who is the creating agent and state your reasons for so believing , then you will be asked ,Who created God?
On the other hand ,some ,like Duket ,will state that he thinks something always existed , that being matter and energy.
I imagine in his convoluted view ,matter and energy do not need a creator ,but God does.
Then things get complicated for the Atheists. If this energy/matter posseses the properties of life, intelligence and consciousness" God" then one can explain the creation of the Universe and life as we know it.
But,as unbelievers,they can not admit to that, which puts them in the untenable position of trying to explain how nonintelligent ,nonliving and nonconscious matter can spontaneously attain properties of which it does not know nor is conscious of.
So their position is that unintelligent,nonliving and nonconscious matter does not need a creating agent and has the ability to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
Now, they will not admit to that , they will claim that they do not know what caused life,intelligence and consciousness ,but THEY claim to KNOW it wasn't God.
So , based on the foundation anchored by an "WE don't know"
they proceed to add theories and hypotheses in an effort to support their faith.
Seems to me that,,if your foundation is based on "I don't know what caused life to originate"
then any evidence provided to try and explain how life might have evolved is sitting on a foundation built on quicksand and is sinking very rapidly
However , beacuse of their unbelief, they must,of necessity ,claim that God needs a creator.
But ,let them explain their illogical position themselves . Before you read what they post ,make sure you empty your bladder, otherwise ,like has happened to me on several occassions, you will wet your pants
After all this time, you still do not know what we think. Try letting us speak for ourselves. Maybe others can understand what we say.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#126995 Mar 25, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So your dog never shows fear?
I think animals fear dying rather than death. When chimpanzees attack they sense the animal is dead and no longer a threat. What keeps the pack inline is a fear of being hurt and attacked by a dominate alpha. I think religious brain washing works the same way. Eternal punishment for the unbelievers. Religion is the Apha dog "I'am the Apha and the Omega."

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#126996 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Islam goes beyond mere censorship, to outright sanctioned murder. The little girl, shot in the head, for desiring an education, the hundreds and hundreds of men killing their sisters and wives for "honor", make me sick. But, if anything is said, it's taken as an attack on Islam.
The extreme actions Islam takes on the matter should show the idea in general is bad. The stifling of outside opinions is what keeps one brainwashed.
The information age has shown results of atheism and agnosticism to grow at a phenomenal rate. The stifling of information is diminished, and the facts are enlightening people to the myths that we once just assumed were true.
As time goes on, this will increase.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#126997 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> These are highly debatable. I'm a little outnumbered now, but some time tonight, I will address each of your points, I'm a little busy closing the store, and responding to the other posters here, who smell "fresh meat"! Ha!
As I said, we are dying to debate someone who is not just chanting. Sounds as if you have changed a bit since we last spoke, and that is a complement.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#126998 Mar 25, 2014
Waco, welcome to this forum. Though we may not agree, it's a pleasure to talk with someone who is thoughtful and sociable.

Please excuse the latent hostility you may find in some posts.
We have been subjected to the likes of curious/suoirus, sistanoneya, seventee, knownfact, and yesandamen for a long time and the utter lack of civility and genuine debating skills has taken its toll.

Curious changes names so he thinks everyone else does. I'm surprised he hasn't decided that you aren't who you say you are.
Sista stated that the "primary function" of a uterus is the elimination of water, and, when proven wrong, refused to acknowledge it.
Seventee and knownfact are working on behalf of their particular cults.
Yesandamen's brain was burned out on guilt and drugs a long time ago.

Reading your posts, I can agree with much that you say, but not all. ;)

Tell me, when you say you believe that "god is the creator," do you mean Yahweh of the bible or simply "a god?"
I am curious.(the trait, not the idiot)

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#126999 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know who Kokopelli is, I only Shiva when I'm cold, and perhaps humans are too short, compared to a giraffe.
I don't pay a lot of attention to the biography of Gods. I think it depends on which southwestern tribe you ask, but my impression is he's a trickster and fertility god. You've seen his image, I'm sure.
http://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_wi...
Now I know why Shiva is blue.
God talks to giraffes.

Finally, someone brings something useful to the table.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#127000 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> You put your faith in technology? Do you think technology will save the human race, or help the human race become extinct? I'm not criticizing your statements, I'm striving for clarity. Many of the same criticisms you just mentioned have been brought up before in connection with belief in a deity. The communists committed mass murder in China and Russia, they were known as being anti-religion. Frankly, I think the communists looked on religion as a bar to maintaining control of the" masses".
Technology has a 100% better chance of staving off disease, starvation, asteroid, etc. than prayer does. A gamma ray burster, supervolcano, etc.? KYAGB If it comes to a shootout between Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity, I'd say that religion would cause the extinction of the human race.(Keep fundies away from the button.)
I think that the same principles of social dynamics that led the communists, socialists and nazis to power and control over their masses are fundamentally similar to those of the clergies.
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#127001 Mar 25, 2014
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> You put your faith in technology? Do you think technology will save the human race, or help the human race become extinct? I'm not criticizing your statements, I'm striving for clarity. Many of the same criticisms you just mentioned have been brought up before in connection with belief in a deity. The communists committed mass murder in China and Russia, they were known as being anti-religion. Frankly, I think the communists looked on religion as a bar to maintaining control of the" masses".
You're confusing a secular government with a dictatorship. You're also confusing atheistism as supporting dictators or murderers. You can be a dictator, religious person and commit the crimes you are talking about. If you want to look at stats in america you will see most of the criminals are Christians. You can be an atheist dictator or a people ruled by theocracy, like in islamic countries.

Being atheist has nothing to do with what your talking about. It is a motivation of power and control that fuels what you have said.

Bible belief like Islam demands theocracy, that is not a guess that is a fact. If you accept theocracy then you accept slavery and mass murder of those who do not believe . What makes of different is we are secular.

Feel free to mumble to the ceiling fan, dance around the bed post and shake that scary stick with a chicken nailed to it, that's freedom of religion.
Suoiruc

Winter Garden, FL

#127002 Mar 25, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>After all this time, you still do not know what we think. Try letting us speak for ourselves. Maybe others can understand what we say.
I may noyt know what you think,but, I know what you have stated as your beliefs,contained in what I posted or, are you now disavowing them?

If you claim that it is God who is the creating agent and state your reasons for so believing , then you will be asked ,Who created God?
On the other hand ,some ,like Duket ,will state that he thinks something always existed , that being matter and energy.
I imagine in his convoluted view ,matter and energy do not need a creator ,but God does.
Then things get complicated for the Atheists. If this energy/matter posseses the properties of life, intelligence and consciousness" God" then one can explain the creation of the Universe and life as we know it.
But,as unbelievers,they can not admit to that, which puts them in the untenableposition of trying to explain how nonintelligent ,nonliving and nonconscious matter can spontaneously attain properties of which it does not know nor is conscious of.
So their position is that unintelligent,nonliving and nonconscious matter does not need a creating agent and has the ability to create life,consciousness and intelligence.
Now, they will not admit to that , they will claim that they do not know what caused life,intelligence and consciousness ,but THEY claim to KNOW it wasn't God.
So , based on the foundation anchored by an "WE don't know"
they proceed to add theories and hypotheses in an effort to support their faith.
Seems to me that,,if your foundation is based on "I don't know what caused life to originate"
then any evidence provided to try and explain how life might have evolved is sitting on a foundation built on quicksand and is sinking very rapidly
However , beacuse of their unbelief, they must,of necessity ,claim that God needs a creator.
And now , we have Pre K stating that the Universe is eternal and does not need a creator.
So as anyone can see, you guys flip flop likea fish out of water and you get highly upset when yout aberrant and illogical thinking is questioned

Since: May 12

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#127003 Mar 25, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>As I said, we are dying to debate someone who is not just chanting. Sounds as if you have changed a bit since we last spoke, and that is a complement.
Actually I was way too hard on you Mike, for that I'm sorry. The people on this forum have some snap, I like that.

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#127004 Mar 25, 2014
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
Waco, welcome to this forum. Though we may not agree, it's a pleasure to talk with someone who is thoughtful and sociable.
Please excuse the latent hostility you may find in some posts.
We have been subjected to the likes of curious/suoirus, sistanoneya, seventee, knownfact, and yesandamen for a long time and the utter lack of civility and genuine debating skills has taken its toll.
Curious changes names so he thinks everyone else does. I'm surprised he hasn't decided that you aren't who you say you are.
Sista stated that the "primary function" of a uterus is the elimination of water, and, when proven wrong, refused to acknowledge it.
Seventee and knownfact are working on behalf of their particular cults.
Yesandamen's brain was burned out on guilt and drugs a long time ago.
Reading your posts, I can agree with much that you say, but not all. ;)
Tell me, when you say you believe that "god is the creator," do you mean Yahweh of the bible or simply "a god?"
I am curious.(the trait, not the idiot)
I mean God, the Creator. This may not mean the God most Bible people refer to, but I tell you flatly, my God doesn't feel the need to burn people for eternity in molten lava. God, as I see Him. Is no rabid maniac. A lot of people seem to need a god to punish their enemies for them. Or, they feel the need to punish their enemies, using the name of god.I feel badly about that.
Suoiruc

Winter Garden, FL

#127005 Mar 25, 2014
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
Waco, welcome to this forum. Though we may not agree, it's a pleasure to talk with someone who is thoughtful and sociable.
Please excuse the latent hostility you may find in some posts.
We have been subjected to the likes of curious/suoirus, sistanoneya, seventee, knownfact, and yesandamen for a long time and the utter lack of civility and genuine debating skills has taken its toll.
Curious changes names so he thinks everyone else does. I'm surprised he hasn't decided that you aren't who you say you are.
Sista stated that the "primary function" of a uterus is the elimination of water, and, when proven wrong, refused to acknowledge it.
Seventee and knownfact are working on behalf of their particular cults.
Yesandamen's brain was burned out on guilt and drugs a long time ago.
Reading your posts, I can agree with much that you say, but not all. ;)
Tell me, when you say you believe that "god is the creator," do you mean Yahweh of the bible or simply "a god?"
I am curious.(the trait, not the idiot)
Witchetty ,wittchetty witchetty
I know you are still mad at me for throwing you under the bus ,when I challenged your self serving,self righteous and incredulous statement that you are morally superior to all others
by claiming that" you had never dommitted an act for which you need feel ashamed"
I interpreted that statement to mean,you have no shame. It was at about that time that you stopped using the moniker " Kitten Kodder ' and have now adopted the new moniker " Justice.
I have presented the proof that you 2 or 3 guys are very good at changing names within minutes.
Further evidenced by the confessions of SP and Skeptical Spektakals.
But, like I said ,ie that is what makes your life worth living , so be it.
I like it where you inserted the trait not the idiot
Trait= a distinguishing quality
Oh yes , you have a distinguishing quality you have self proclaimed yourself as one who has never committed an act for which you need be ashamed.
Well, good for you , certainly your behavior does not require you to be STONED, but,posting that kind on gibberish implies that you are STONED out of your mind
OOOOOOOOOH LALA

Since: May 12

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#127006 Mar 25, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>
You're confusing a secular government with a dictatorship. You're also confusing atheistism as supporting dictators or murderers. You can be a dictator, religious person and commit the crimes you are talking about. If you want to look at stats in america you will see most of the criminals are Christians. You can be an atheist dictator or a people ruled by theocracy, like in islamic countries.
Being atheist has nothing to do with what your talking about. It is a motivation of power and control that fuels what you have said.
Bible belief like Islam demands theocracy, that is not a guess that is a fact. If you accept theocracy then you accept slavery and mass murder of those who do not believe . What makes of different is we are secular.
Feel free to mumble to the ceiling fan, dance around the bed post and shake that scary stick with a chicken nailed to it, that's freedom of religion.
I didn't compare you to the communists who slaughtered millions, or the Nazi scum who professed to be Christian. I said, the rulers of Russia and China discouraged religion, it got in the way of their" plans ". Did I even use the word" atheists "? Actually, I'm not attacking you, or your views. I'm not your judge, not your enemy, and shaking a chicken with a stick in it, would be animal abuse.

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