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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 170517 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Curious

Winter Garden, FL

#122882 Feb 2, 2014
Killing the Canaanites: A Response to the New Atheism’s “Divine Genocide” Claims
Article ID: JAF3334 | By: Clay Jones
http://www.equip.org/christian-research-journ...
SYNOPSIS
The “new atheists” call God’s commands to kill the Canaanites “genocide,” but a closer look at the horror of the Canaanites’ sinfulness, exhibited in rampant idolatry, incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality, reveals that God’s reason for commanding their death was not genocide but capital punishment. After all, the Old Testament unequivocally commands that those who do any one of these things deserves to die. Also, God made it clear in His conversation with Abraham regarding the Canaanite cities of Sodom and Gomorrah that He knows who would or would not repent, and in the case of those cities, not one person would heed the warning and even Lot’s family had to be forcibly pulled away from the coming destruction. In Leviticus 18 God then warns Israel that if they commit similar sins that the land would similarly “vomit” them out. Later when Israel disobeys God and allows the Canaanites to continue to live among them, the corruptive and seductive power of Canaanite sin results in the Canaanization of Israel. Subsequently, God sent prophets to warn Israel of their coming destruction, but they didn’t repent and God said that they became “like Sodom to me” and He visited destruction on Israel for committing the same sins. This again reveals that God’s motive isn’t genocide, but capital punishment. That we commit similar sins today renders us incapable of appropriate moral outrage against these sins and thus we accuse God of “genocide” to justify our own sinfulness.
Richard Dawkins and other new atheists herald God’s ordering of the destruction of Canaanite cities to be divine “ethnic cleansing” and “genocides.”1 With righteous indignation, Dawkins opines that the God of the Old Testament is “the most unpleasant character in all of fiction.”2 But was the killing of the Canaanites an example of divine genocide? If you think the Canaanites deserved to die because of their own wickedness, Dawkins will zealously compare you to acting like the Taliban.3 A closer look at several key facts will help explain God’s reason for the destruction of the Canaanites and reveal how our own sinfulness demonstrates our incapacity to judge rightly.
That atheists are incapable of judging spiritual matters leads some Christians to wonder why we even need to answer them at all, especially if they lack any objective, moral, or epistemological foundation for their claims. Moreover, most atheists do not customarily condemn the very practices that God condemns, for example, idolatry, adultery, and homosexuality. Predictably so, their values conflict with what God hates.
Curious

Winter Garden, FL

#122883 Feb 2, 2014
Concerning the destruction of the Canaanites, atheists especially like to exploit the Christian condemnation of genocide. They reason something along these lines:(1) Christians condemn genocide.(2) Yahweh’s command to kill the Canaanites was an act of divine genocide.(3) Therefore, Christians should condemn Yahweh for commanding genocide.
The second premise is false, however. Part of the goal of this essay is to offer evidence to show that God had good reason to command Israel to kill the Canaanites. In Leviticus 18 and elsewhere, for example, the Bible reveals that God punished the Canaanites for specific grievous evils. Also, this wasn’t the entire destruction of a race as God didn’t order that every Canaanite be killed but only those who lived within specific geographical boundaries (Josh. 1:4). Canaanite tribes (especially the Hittites) greatly exceeded the boundaries that Israel was told to conquer. And since, as we will see, He punished Israel when they committed the same sins, what happened to the Canaanites was not genocide, but capital punishment.
This wasn’t merely punishment, however. God sought to reveal His standards of righteousness to a thoroughly corrupted humankind, and He chose Israel out of the nations to exhibit the requirements for relationship with Him (Deut. 4:5–8). Before He redeemed humankind, He needed to unambiguously demonstrate what exactly He was redeeming them from: a blatant and unrestrained evil that resulted in a worthless, nasty, and cruel existence. God knows what is best for humankind, but He allowed free creatures to rebel and find out on their own that He is right. If Jesus had died to redeem humankind prior to humankind’s comprehending the depth of their sin, then people would question the need for Jesus’ death. Why would Jesus die for basically good folk? God waited to redeem humankind until they had the chance to be, as 2 Live Crew once put it,“as nasty as they wanna be.”
THE CANAANITES WERE WICKED
The Bible is explicit concerning the sins of the Canaanites: idolatry, incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality. Much of what follows is horrific, but if we refuse to look, will we really understand the reasons for God’s judgment?
Idolatry. The Canaanites worshiped other gods, which the Old Testament frequently denounced as no more than sticks or pottery made by human hands that could not “see or hear or eat or smell”(Deut. 4:28 NIV). Yahweh derided these handmade gods that cannot speak and must be carried because they cannot walk (Jer. 1:16; 8:2–5).
The Canaanites took seriously the testimony of the Old Testament witness of Yahweh and His revelation, if for no other reason than intentionally to transform the scriptural depiction of Yahweh into a castrated weakling who likes to play with His own excrement and urine.4
Of course Dawkins complains that “God’s monumental rage whenever his chosen people flirted with a rival god resembles nothing so much as sexual jealousy of the worst kind.”5 But does anyone think that if Dawkins’s wife left him for a gingerbread man of her own baking, and then she began to tell everyone that he liked to play with his excrement, that Dawkins would tolerate the characterization of his feelings as no more than “sexual jealously of the worst kind”?
Idolatry perverts our ability to love what Yahweh loves. Consequently, we love what He hates, and we hate what He loves. The story of Canaanite incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality flow out of the plot line of idolatry. The tragedy of this story is that not only is idolatry an offense to Yahweh, but it fails to supply a happy ending for human communities as well.
Incest. Like all Ancient Near East (ANE) pantheons, the Canaanite pantheon was incestuous. Baal has sex with his mother Asherah,6 his sister Anat, and his daughter Pidray,7 and none of this is presented pejoratively.

Since: Feb 14

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#122884 Feb 2, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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You can spell it in any way which delights you, I just find the tradition of avoiding the word (and others) as something akin to not spilling salt or avoiding black cats.
I am not superstitious! i wasn't avoiding the word, if i was, i'd said, 8 5 12 12.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#122885 Feb 2, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The man Jesus and the mythical being Jesus have become inseparable. That is the only "intelligent design" apparent in "Christian science." There is no reason whatsoever to teach baseless mythology alongside actual science.
I am not talking about anyone really. whether or not Jesus was either, myth, man, or whatever, the teachings and words are very real, and to me, that's what's important. Most people are to busy worrying about this or that and not focusing on the teachings...maybe you can tell me why it is that, the bible gives credit to Mary Magdalene as being the first person to see and speak to Jesus, after resurrection, when at that time period, Jews believed women should be seen and not heard when it came to matters involving the church, Yet here they give credit to a woman for one of the greatest events in mankind. Why not give credit to the writer or one of Jesus' male disciples? They wrote this book and went against their own selves by giving her credit.. Doesn't make much sense to me, Maybe you can enlighten me on this?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#122886 Feb 2, 2014
It's Sunday.
It's SuperBowl time.
Therefore god exists.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#122887 Feb 2, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
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A word of caution. These heathens and pagans on this page are incredibly ignorant to the truth. They get some kind of cheap thrill out of making up lies and half truths. I am sure you know where they get their tricks.
Ah, there you are.

You ran away yesterday leaving behind a host of unanswered posts and questions. You've done that before when you're getting pummeled.

Care to answer some of those posts?
Khatru wrote:
Morality doesn't change?

Your god thought it was good to kill people who follow other religions.

He also thought it good to have homosexuals killed.

Are you seriously saying that disgusting ethics like that should still be adhered to?
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ChromiuMan wrote:
What Bible cartoon did you get this version of the story from? I don't remember any of it from Gen. 5. You must be one that Brain_ D was talking about - who "know" and "love" the subject.
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Fox News Is A Joke wrote:
<quoted text>Which Bible?
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Khatru wrote:
Thanks for that

Some interesting quotes about this church from Christians...

"Words can not express the degree of disdain that many of us now have for the NTCC leadership as a result of their deceitful, disingenuous and untruthful conduct"

"No matter what comes out of there very crooked lying mouths" (sic)

"For those of you still in ntcc, I have no idea how you can keep following leaders like Davis, Kekel and Olson when they have LIED over and over again"

"NTCC is NOT of God. It is wolves in sheep's clothing. Angels' of darkness pretending to be angel's of light. If you think it is OK to follow men who constantly LIE then there is nothing I can do"

"I was going to e-mail you this link cuz I thought it would make for a good blog post one day, but I couldn't find your e-mail address.

The link is called "5 warning signs of an unhealthy church". Interesting article..
http://www.newdaynews.com/files/5_warning_sig... ;

"More smoke and mirrors and damage control. I guess they know if they keep repeating a lie over and over people will believe it. I heard with my own ears when RW Davis declared that if our kids didn't go to the bible school, we were failures as parents"
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Mike Duquette wrote:
Your entire statement is completely false.
American law would condemn and imprison the likes of Moses. Why? Because the whole of our countrymen deem the targeted killing of innocent children, immoral to the highest degree.
The fact you excuse your Moses for doing it tells me you have a flawed barometer on morality.
Oh, and historically, morality was discussed in depth long before your myth was ever invented or written about.
Your religion does not own morality.
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stuck in a lodi wrote:
Thank you for your response. Just one more quick question please....Does your church believe in the Christian Author Lactantius observation of the old testament?
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Mike Duquette wrote:
First, why should the parents have believed Noah? You would kill babies just because a parent does not believe the crazy claims of another man?
You keep trying to justify the murders, but you keep falling short of showing any sense of morality or justice.
If this is a metaphor, the moral of the story is, believe what I say, or else I will kill you, your family, and all your friends.
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Mike Duquette wrote:
So by "everyone", you mean the few people around Noah, and not everyone on the planet?
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Khatru wrote:
Jesus is the law-giver? What laws did Jesus give us?

Who are you to say what your god will judge people as?

A while back you said only fools claim to know God's mind.
How can you say who is saved and who is not if you're not claiming to know your god's mind?
That's just a few of the posts you ran away from.

There are plenty more

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#122888 Feb 2, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> Only you can answer that for your self..
Well, I don't believe in magic so I don't adhere to the abracadbra method of creation.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#122889 Feb 2, 2014
Curious wrote:
Concerning the destruction of the Canaanites, atheists especially like to exploit the Christian condemnation of genocide.
So it's bad to commit genocide unless you're the god of the Bible when it's quite alright to slaughter millions of men, women, children and babies.

No society is evil through and through. The people that rule and govern may be evil but there is always good to be found.

Something which appears to elude your god in his quest to kill ever more people.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#122890 Feb 2, 2014
Curious wrote:
The Bible is explicit concerning the sins of the Canaanites: idolatry, incest, adultery, child sacrifice, homosexuality, and bestiality.
Abraham was ready and willing to commit child sacrifice and your god deemed him a righteous man.

Your god also accepted the sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter.

Looks like child sacrifice isn't as evil as you say it is.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#122892 Feb 2, 2014
curious. what makes you think that anyone without serious brain damage would glom onto Icke or ICR any more than they would Dawkins of Sade? Oh, right... You glom onto Icke, ICR, Dawkins and Sade. Never mind.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#122893 Feb 2, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> I am not talking about anyone really. whether or not Jesus was either, myth, man, or whatever, the teachings and words are very real, and to me, that's what's important. Most people are to busy worrying about this or that and not focusing on the teachings...maybe you can tell me why it is that, the bible gives credit to Mary Magdalene as being the first person to see and speak to Jesus, after resurrection, when at that time period, Jews believed women should be seen and not heard when it came to matters involving the church, Yet here they give credit to a woman for one of the greatest events in mankind. Why not give credit to the writer or one of Jesus' male disciples? They wrote this book and went against their own selves by giving her credit.. Doesn't make much sense to me, Maybe you can enlighten me on this?
What is known of Jesus indicates that he was a social reformer and a political rebel. What is >believed< about him is 99.999999% certain to be extraordinary aggrandizement. Quite literally, it is "another story."

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#122894 Feb 2, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I don't believe in magic so I don't adhere to the abracadbra method of creation.
Then there's your answer you sought from me..

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#122895 Feb 2, 2014
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, I don't believe in magic so I don't adhere to the abracadbra method of creation.
What!!!!
Something from nothing. That god said poof and there it is. You don't think it's possible?

I don't either.
Curious

Winter Garden, FL

#122896 Feb 2, 2014
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
You've found not a single person in this thread who supports bestiality or necrophilia.
And you continue to ignore the fact that you worship a god who supported rape, slavery, and genocide, all of which are far worse than bestiality and necrophilia.
Those who support beastiality and or necrophelia may not be found on this thread ,but most assuredly they can be found within the leaders and spokespersons for Atheism.
And no , the God I worship does not support rape , slavery or genocide .
That is the propaganda spread by the Liars for Atheism ...

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#122897 Feb 2, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> I am not talking about anyone really. whether or not Jesus was either, myth, man, or whatever, the teachings and words are very real, and to me, that's what's important. Most people are to busy worrying about this or that and not focusing on the teachings...maybe you can tell me why it is that, the bible gives credit to Mary Magdalene as being the first person to see and speak to Jesus, after resurrection, when at that time period, Jews believed women should be seen and not heard when it came to matters involving the church, Yet here they give credit to a woman for one of the greatest events in mankind. Why not give credit to the writer or one of Jesus' male disciples? They wrote this book and went against their own selves by giving her credit.. Doesn't make much sense to me, Maybe you can enlighten me on this?
In most congregations, Mary Magdalene is not regarded as much more than a reformed whore - without the slightest scrap of evidence. Many believe that she was the first to see and speak with him at his resurrections, but that hinges on believing that he >was< resurrected Belief hardly counts as any article of credence (case in point, ID). She is overdue for credit, I suppose. It is a shame that her and Jesus' REAL story was deliberately lost to the ages.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#122898 Feb 2, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
I answer the questions that are intelligent and the ones that are seeking.
I do not answer leading questions that are off topic
Where did you get the idea that Noah's neighbors laughed at him and that the neighbor's kids were invited aboard? I seem to have missed your answer.

Since: Feb 14

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#122899 Feb 2, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote: The man Jesus and the mythical being Jesus have become inseparable. That is the only "intelligent design" apparent in "Christian science." There is no

pusherman_ wrote: I am not talking about anyone really. whether or not Jesus was either, myth, man, or whatever, the teachings and words are very real, and to me, that's what's important. Most people are to busy worrying about this or that and not focusing on the teachings...maybe you can tell me why it is that, the bible gives credit to Mary Magdalene as being the first person to see and speak to Jesus, after resurrection, when at that time period, Jews believed women should be seen and not heard when it came to matters involving the church, Yet here they give credit to a woman for one of the greatest events in mankind. Why not give credit to the writer or one of Jesus' male disciples? They wrote this book and went against their own selves by giving her credit.. Doesn't make much sense to me, Maybe you can enlighten me on this?

You gonna answer my question ChromiuMan?

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#122900 Feb 2, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
What is known of Jesus indicates that he was a social reformer and a political rebel. What is >believed< about him is 99.999999% certain to be extraordinary aggrandizement. Quite literally, it is "another story."
That isn't answering my question about why they put a woman as first witness? they would have done that for one reason and one reason only! you know it and i know it.. if not give me a suitable answer..

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#122902 Feb 2, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
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In most congregations, Mary Magdalene is not regarded as much more than a reformed whore - without the slightest scrap of evidence. Many believe that she was the first to see and speak with him at his resurrections, but that hinges on believing that he >was< resurrected Belief hardly counts as any article of credence (case in point, ID). She is overdue for credit, I suppose. It is a shame that her and Jesus' REAL story was deliberately lost to the ages.
exactly, but lets pretend for a minute, they, Jesus' disciples, didn't really like her much anyway, lets pretend he was, now why would they go against their entire belif and give a wh*re credit? there is only one answer, that can be correct...don't have nothing to do with her "credit being overdue, we are talking about then, remember, So why would they do it? All you done was run in circles trying to catch your tail.. the people of that time period could've cared less about giving her credit, they went against everything they believed in , basically and gave her credit, when a man could have got credit, i mean as you say, it's just a story.. they would've credited it to themselves or one of the male disciples...
spaceship

Rancho Cordova, CA

#122903 Feb 2, 2014
pusherman_ wrote:
<quoted text> No!!
Who's in charge of Hell?

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