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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 148101 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121097 Jan 13, 2014
Quantummist wrote:
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That's as idiotic as saying that if you agree with one tenet of Islam your a Muslim.. One tenet of Marx your a Communist.. One tenet of Christianity your a Baptist...
Those in the republican party call me a Liberal or a Democrat because I am an atheist and think pot and pretty much any thing a person wants to put into their own body should be allowed..
Each Individual issue I make my views upon are Individually formed based on the evidence I have seen that makes rational sense... I do No make them because I have some total agreement with some foolish party loyalty as you seem to do..
As for Obama his Name was Barry Soetoro and was used during his school time in Indonesia and under Indonesia law the last mane of the Mother and any children are legally changed to that of the father.. Since I have never seen the documentation requesting a legal name change back to Obama then his name is Soetoro and was called Berry by his Indonesian class mates..
His History during his college time is all but unknown and what is publicly known would not allow anyone else to pass a Confidential Security Clearance.. When I received my first clearance my high school and college teachers were questioned . police records checked, College transcripts ordered.. But a President does not require such... It's totally up to the press and public to research their backgrounds and vet them... That was not done ..
For example no one knows the funding for his college , housing and trips to Pakistan... there are many question marks and I have looked at the PDF of his birth cert posted on Whitehouse.Gov and it is NOT a certified copy of his birth cert.. And to date a Certified Copy of the paper document has never been produced..
If the same level of background was out on a Republican you would be calling for a Investigation ... Bush was pilloried because of a college DUI , called a drunk and every name in the book yet the admitted dope smoking , coke snorting college days of Obama are given little to no concern... While I don't care if he smoked enough dope to make him a Rastafarian the lack of Background Investigation and the legal road blocks place to stop such is a red flag that anyone that was not a party hack would be concerned about...
So yes there are some Republican positions I fully Support, There are some Democrat positions I fully support, There are some Tea Party positions I fully support, There are some Christian positions I fully support, There are some Communist positions I fully support, There are some of just about Every Political and Social positions of every variation I fully support..
What I don't do is pick one and follow the company line because the party says so.. Like you seem to think is the way to go... To me much of the Republican Party are the same as the Democrat Party in that they have taken the Individual Power of the People and helped in converting a Federal Republic into a National Socialist form of governance without the required amendment and ratification of the Constitution ...
I am not a Republican even thought I agree with many of their positions, I am Not a Democrat even though I agree with many of their positions.. I vote for the Individual that has the chance of being elected to office that closest fits my views on specific policies based on their record and backgrounds I can actually verify ... And will not vote for anyone in any party that will take positions that I do not agree with if I find that particular position important to me..
You be a party hack if you like... I refuse to be played the fool like that....
What Democrats complained about Bush were the things we did know about him, not the things we did not know, like what you are fishing for.

But feel free to whine about it all you wish, it only makes you look like a nutty republican. It makes your other political concerns seem just as nutty.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#121098 Jan 13, 2014
spaceship wrote:
<quoted text>
You have pretty much disgrace yourself on this tread "Mantel" so again, pfft or pffft!!
Wen nur weil PFFFT damals fuer die herrschenden PFFT galten. Dies hat doch zur gehabt, dass diese Sprache durch missbrauch sowie verstaendigung LOL verroht und verflacht worden sei, damit der HEH seiner literarischen DID heutzutage kaum noch AAA zu schaetzen geblieben waere, ausser sprachfreaks, linguisten oder Dramaturgen, deren Arbeit die gegenwaetige Jugend auf keine massgebend ist.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121099 Jan 13, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>You cannot tell her walking nature.... They ground he hip joints!
Talk about ignorance!
Lies for Jesus.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121100 Jan 13, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>And yet....
Even Bart knows Jesus was real!
Go figure!
A real person, not the imaginary god you wish he was and the bible claims.
Not that your comment had a damned thing to do with the subject. Nice try at diversion. Evidently you cannot refute my point with a single thing. Ha ha.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121101 Jan 13, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Man's labels....
No other creature on earth can do all that you can do!
You didn't "Evolve" to do them either!
Of course they are mans labels. We are men, not aliens, or imaginary monsters. Nice try at a diversion.
Yes, we have differences. So? Should that mean we should not recognize our similarities with names men make with language?
You see, one major difference between man and other animals is, we can use detailed language. You just refuse to accept all it can do.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121102 Jan 13, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I could point to your postings, but you're doing to good of job to stop now!
Thanks again!
Your post makes no sense. My posts are natural, and they excuse nothing.
Is diversion your only tactic? You got nothing! Ha ha.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121103 Jan 13, 2014
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>(1) Do not call Macro-Evilution science.... it is NOT!
(2) It is the Knowledge of God that prohibits accepting Macro-Evilution as science!
Macro evolution is the accepted science of the day. And thanks for telling us why you are prohibited from accepting it. Just as I claimed.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#121104 Jan 13, 2014
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text> What you've been stating over and over is someone's misguided opinion and in typical Curious fashion, you want to make a mountain out of a molehill. How about you direct and focus your attention on a REAL pressing matter, which has been proven to be a FACT that Christians suffer mental issues. Your mental issues are pretty obvious to me, perhaps you could be a test subject for new and innovative treatments to help your fellow Christians who suffer in silence and secrecy.
That someone to whom you allude ,is one of your leaders . His opinions are based onpersonal experiences and observations , moreover ,his views that ,Atheism has a suicide and mental depression problem , is supported by several Independent studies , as you and Dukett well know.
Try as you will to dismiss these problems as misguided opinions of your atheist leaders ,does not resolve your problem,
As an Atheist , you can try and hide from God , but he will find you.
All of you have tried , now ,about 20% of you can be found attending religious services on a regular basis , 10 % have confessed to believing in God , and Many of you have started to have worship services in your own church , all based on Christian Practices ,hoping to reap the blessings that Atheism has failed to provide after your deconversion.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#121105 Jan 13, 2014
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a frequent "AHA!" moment of the fundies that discussing a Book proves the characters are real. I'm looking forward to trying it with Jack and the Beanstalk as soon as I get the HOA to let me keep a goose in my garage.
Lol

Yeah, I had a similar thought

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#121106 Jan 13, 2014
Jonah was a false prophet!

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#121107 Jan 13, 2014
What's that you say?

There was no Exodus from Egypt?

Charlton Heston lied to me?

Damn him! Damn them all to Hell!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121108 Jan 13, 2014
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
No ,Atheist ,that is not the important thing .
The important thing is to point out how Atheists try to take credit for the accomplishments of others.
The bais for charitable organizations in the US is based on christianity . So is our Educational system ,Health system ETAL.
Atheists are known for doing less charitable work than any other group
A comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam found that religious people are more charitable than their irreligious counterparts.[2][3] The study revealed that forty percent of worship service attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly as opposed to 15% of Americans who never attend services.[4][5] Moreover, religious individuals are more likely than non-religious individuals to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%).[6][7]
Arthur C. Brooks wrote in Policy Review regarding data collected in the Social Capital Community Benchmark Survey (SCCBS)(data collected by in 2000 by researchers at universities throughout the United States and the Roper Center for Public Opinion Research):
The differences in charity between secular and religious people are dramatic. Religious people are 25 percentage points more likely than secularists to donate money (91 percent to 66 percent) and 23 points more likely to volunteer time (67 percent to 44 percent). And, consistent with the findings of other writers, these data show that practicing a religion is more important than the actual religion itself in predicting charitable behavior. For example, among those who attend worship services regularly, 92 percent of Protestants give charitably, compared with 91 percent of Catholics, 91 percent of Jews, and 89 percent from other religions.[8]
ABC News reported:
...the single biggest predictor of whether someone will be charitable is their religious participation.
Religious people are more likely to give to charity, and when they give, they give more money: four times as much. And Arthur Brooks told me that giving goes beyond their own religious organization:
"Actually, the truth is that they're giving to more than their churches," he says. "The religious Americans are more likely to give to every kind of cause and charity, including explicitly non-religious charities."[9]

In 2009, Pew Research Forum reported that a comprehensive study by Harvard University professor Robert Putnam found that religious people are more charitable than their irreligious counterparts.[10][11] The study revealed that forty percent of worship service attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly as opposed to 15% of Americans who never attend services.[12][13] Moreover, religious individuals are more likely than non-religious individuals to volunteer for school and youth programs (36% vs. 15%), a neighborhood or civic group (26% vs. 13%), and for health care (21% vs. 13%).[14][15]
Given that atheistic evolutionary thinking has engendered social darwinism and given that the proponents of atheism have no rational basis for morality in their ideology, the immoral views that atheists often hold and the low per capita giving of American atheists is not surprising.
Non church goers are not only atheists, but are mostly believers of Jesus, in America. So this study does not focus on atheist whatsoever.
In fact you pointed out many atheists actually attend churches, so that skews the numbers even more, for your demonizing purposes.

But I get your point. You have an strong desire to get credit for charity. It is what Jesus would do, right?

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#121109 Jan 13, 2014
Taken straight from the pages of Conservapedia written from a self-described American conservative and Christian point of view.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#121110 Jan 13, 2014
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
That someone to whom you allude ,is one of your leaders . His opinions are based onpersonal experiences and observations , moreover ,his views that ,Atheism has a suicide and mental depression problem , is supported by several Independent studies , as you and Dukett well know.
Try as you will to dismiss these problems as misguided opinions of your atheist leaders ,does not resolve your problem,
As an Atheist , you can try and hide from God , but he will find you.
All of you have tried , now ,about 20% of you can be found attending religious services on a regular basis , 10 % have confessed to believing in God , and Many of you have started to have worship services in your own church , all based on Christian Practices ,hoping to reap the blessings that Atheism has failed to provide after your deconversion.
One should not expect atheism to provide. It is just a term for non belief.
Now you cite how atheists start churches of their own to provide for comfort and community to atheists, yet in the same post, you insist atheists do nothing.
You would not know a contradiction........
You cannot have your cake and eat it also.
Spock

Lexington, KY

#121111 Jan 13, 2014
The existence of a supreme being is illogical

There are more rational and logical explanations for the existence of the universe... Such as stellar evolution etc...

I would recommend teaching young people the best known science so that they can move forward on that information. Teaching illogical irrational religious beliefs in schools seems counterproductive

Live Long and Prosper

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#121113 Jan 13, 2014
Typical Curious fashion to resort to copying from Conservapedia ---The site has received negative reactions from the mainstream media, as well as from notable political figures, including commentators and journalists and has been criticized for bias and inaccuracies.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#121114 Jan 13, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Non church goers are not only atheists, but are mostly believers of Jesus, in America. So this study does not focus on atheist whatsoever.
In fact you pointed out many atheists actually attend churches, so that skews the numbers even more, for your demonizing purposes.
But I get your point. You have an strong desire to get credit for charity. It is what Jesus would do, right?
You Atheists always look for excuses in order to justify your lack of human kindness and immoral behaviour.
Pew Research is one of the most reliable sources as we all know.
I have no desire to take credit for any good or charitable deed , However , as most people , I find it offensive for those who least contribute to attempt to take credit for major accomplishments.
And you are right . Many Atheists do attend churches. And why do you think that is?
It is because your Atheist Faith fails to live up to it's promises of freedom and a happier life
and leaves these poor unsuspecting souls hanging in the breeze , with new found suicidial tendencies , depressed , alone and ostracized.
Can they turn to their now fellow Atheists for help? NO . Those fellow Atheists claim that those problems do not exist, in spite of the effort of at least one of their leaders to bring this problem to the light.
But , I understand your point , since Atheists are not noted for perfprming good deeds , they need to paint those who are known to perform good deeds as doing it for evil motives.
You Atheists will do anything to justify your lack of human kindness.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#121115 Jan 13, 2014
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Typical Curious fashion to resort to copying from Conservapedia ---The site has received negative reactions from the mainstream media, as well as from notable political figures, including commentators and journalists and has been criticized for bias and inaccuracies.
In spite of your feeble attempts , you are unable to hide your Loser Atheist habits.
The study cited was conducted by Pew research and harvard University and you failed to refute any of the findings....
To simply attempt to dismiss the facts as irrelevant because you can not dispute them is a typical Atheist tactic that I have seen used on this website..
You , Duckett and Krak are among the worst offenders.
You can dress your immoral and inhumane behaviour with as many excuses as you wish.
A sow with a ring on her nose and dressed in Royal linen , Is still a sow.
You excuses do not have the power to alter the facts.......
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#121116 Jan 13, 2014
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>One should not expect atheism to provide. It is just a term for non belief.
Now you cite how atheists start churches of their own to provide for comfort and community to atheists, yet in the same post, you insist atheists do nothing.
You would not know a contradiction........
You cannot have your cake and eat it also.
Your Excuse that Atheists should not be expected to provide shows your inhumaneness.
Atheism is not just a term for unbelief ,Atheism is a Faith and you know it.
Atheism starts churches 1) because Atheism is a Faith
2) Atheism seeks to correct the wrong they committed initially by deconverting unsuspecting victims ,whom were told that they would be free and happier.
Their failure to reach that objective has caused them to try and duplicate what only belief in God can accomplish.
Their attempts to set up a counterfeit church by duplicating many of the established Christian principles and leaving out the foundation for those primciples ,belief in God and Christ ,will prove futile ,if it has not already statrted to do soi.
This new movement ,met with much hoopla and only a few months old ,has already started to fall apart.
There is already a huge division among the Faithless ,they have split into different groups and are fighting like cats and dogs...
Listening to Bon Jovi records has not been a rallying point , denying God's existence has not been a rallying point ,, Having a negative outlook on life has never been a rallying point .
That behaviour leads to depression and other unwanted and unhealthy afflictions
spaceship

Roseville, CA

#121117 Jan 13, 2014
Divorce rates: religious vs atheist/agnostics

Baptists had the highest rate of the major denominations: 29 percent. Born-again Christians' rate was 27 percent. To make matters even more distressing for believers, atheists/agnostics had the lowest rate of divorce 21 percent.

Many fundamentalist or evangelical couples base their marriages on "very irrational and unrealistic principles," he said. "They say,'Put God first in your marriage' whatever that means to them 'be faithful in church, be a good Christian, pray a lot, attend church, and God will work everything out for you.' Then they find out that's a lot of hogwash." He's also seen problems when some fundamentalist men, in leading the household, become "cruel dictators" who "expect their wives to become servants." Gary Thomas, author of Sacred Marriage and director of the Center for Evangelical Spirituality in Bellingham,

Mr. Thomas believes that the Christian church contributes to divorce by being too tolerant. "We have bent over backwards not to be judgmental," he said. That's a mistake, in Mr. Thomas' opinion. He believes that Christians need to think of their marriage as a chance to serve Christ. "A Christian who gets divorced puts their happiness before their devotion to Christ."

By: Christine Wicker
Date: 2000
Source: The Dallas Morning News

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