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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 148132 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#120002 Dec 30, 2013
typo ... When Abraham was discussing the destruction

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#120003 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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Muslims spread their faith by murdering people who are not Muslim and they particularly enjoy killing Atheists. You better be glad you live under the protection of Judeo-Christian people
Why do you think Saudia Arabia is 99% Muslim?
Moses spread his religion by killing the pagans, just as the bible details, and the Christians spread their religion by killing the Jews, and Muslims in the crusades and inquisitions.
Why do you think the America's are mostly Christian? It is because the Spanish conquerors killed and forced the people to believe as they.

Christians killed non believers right up until the secular men that were mostly Deists made a constitution prohibiting your kinds bad behavior.
Secularism stopped the religious killing, or at least made it illegal.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120004 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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There is no atonement for sin without blood
This sounds positively barbaric and straight out of the Dark Ages.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120005 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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If you do not accept God's gift to all humanity (Jesus Christ) you will be eternally separated from God
You make the choice my confused friend.
Except that you can't be separated from something that doesn't actually exist.

No confusion there.

Seems to me the confusion is believing that magic and ancient superstition are for real.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#120006 Dec 30, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
One more thing to think about...... After investing 40 days and nights into the creation of the ten commandments, Moses breaks them into tiny pieces in a blink of an eye.... now with the MO of god , I'm sure he was beside himself with rage of Moses' actions, yet not one mention of this in the bible. As if that wasn't enough, Moses then orders the execution of thousands of men women and children w/out god's approval.....not one mention of god's wrath of this episode either.
To be fair, god wanted the people smited. He told Moses what they were up to before Moses even came down.
But Moses talked god out of smiting them. I guess Moses wanted to do the smiting.
Strange that Moses was so surprised when he saw them and smashed the commandments And stranger still, how does one talk god out of doing what he wants?
I mean the whole story makes no sense.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120007 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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There is not a single contradiction anywhere in the Bible
Does God repent?

According to Numbers; no God does not repent.

"God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Num 23:19

According to Judges; yes, God does repent.

"And when the Lord raised them up judges, then the Lord was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the Lord because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them."

Judg 2:18

Looks like I just found a contradiction. Don't worry, there are plenty more.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120008 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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You ask for a brand of Christian. The New Testament Church is defined in the Book of Acts.
Authority is appointed by God, man has free will to use the authority in a bad or good way. The world was contaminated with Sin at the Garden of Eve.
The Old and New Testament point to the same road that ends at Calvary
Now time for a quiz question, do you know what the Devils snare is?
Never heard of it but then that's hardly surprising because not only is there no such thing as your god but there's also no such thing as the devil.

Think about it:

If there really was a devil was then he would be the dumbest entity in the universe.

Here's an entity who was the brightest being in all creation (bar God). Satan would have experienced first-hand the absolute goodness and omnipotent authority god has. Why would Satan want to rebel against such unmediated love? Satan would have known more than anyone, the utter futility of trying to defy God

Yet he chose to rebel against such goodness and light?

Nothing can be that stupid - ergo he doesn't exist.

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Now. Perhaps you'll answer the question I asked you yesterday. You ran away from it twice so maybe we'll get lucky the third time.

If your god told that murder was good and that he wanted you to go out and kill as many children as you could - would you obey?

Yes or no?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120009 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Perhaps you should read Ezekiel 18:20

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

Oh dear, looks like another of those pesky contradictions, eh?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120010 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
This is an anti-semitic scripture used by Christians to demonise the Jews.

The NT refers to Jews as dogs, snakes and a vipers brood who cannot escape being condemned to Hell. They're the people on whom God brought a "numbness of spirit" and gave them "blind eyes and deaf ears"

The NT tells us that they're hypocrites and deaf to the truth.

The Gospels tells us that Pontius Pilate had Jesus flogged and sentenced to death and indeed, it was the Romans themselves who carried out the crucifixion. Yet youi won't see much said against the Romans

Yet those same Gospels do plenty to malign the Jews and disseminate hatred of the Jews. It seems to me that it suited the early Christians to blame the Jews to avoid upsetting the Romans. It would make it much easier to continue practising this new religion if they kept Rome sweet.

Then came the early church fathers:

Tertullian told us that Israel is never clean - its hands forever stained with blood

Origen stated that the blood of the Jews falls not just on the Jews of that time but of all Jews up to the end of the world.

Saint Ephraeum Syrus called the Jews "circumcised dogs"

Saint Gregory of Nyssa said the Jews were slayers of the Lord, murderers of prophets, enemies and haters of God.

John Chrysostom wrote "Eight Homilies Against the Jews" which tell us about the despicable nature of Judaism and of the Jewish people who were driven to the ultimate evil. Christians are warned not to come into contact with Jews, a people who within them, demons dwell and their mothers ate their own babies. Chrysostom tells us that the Jews cause is lost and they can expect no atonement.

I'm hardly scratching the surface here and much more anti-Jewish invective existed. With such writings and sermons, it's little wonder that a hatred of Jews became indelibly stamped on the mindset of Christianity.

Fuelled by the anti-Semitism of their leaders, Christians attacked and destroyed synagogues. The earliest recorded Christian pogrom of the Jews was in 414 CE in Alexandria where the Jewish community was pretty much eradicated.

With such a strong anti-Jewish mindset it wasn't long before repressive laws were created.

The Synod of Elvira forbade Jewish men from having sex with Christian women. It didn't ban Christian men from having sex with Jewish women. Jews couldn't marry Christians or even share a meal with them.

A few years later at the Council of Nicea, Christian clergy were forbidden to hold conversations with Jews.

Then along came the Codex Theodosianus which laid down a slew of anti-Jewish laws. These pretty much turned the Jews' status into that of an underclass and they were banned from the administrative, military and legal professions.

Further laws followed and the religious hatred of Christians toward Jews became state laws.

Hatred of the Jews was pretty trendy in the middle ages. Pope Innocent III used his influence by putting pressure on Christian rulers of other nations to remove Jews from public office.

Innocent added a preambles of his own to the papal manuscript "Sicut Judeis" in which he says that the Jews are not to be wiped out completely. In other words it's ok to partially wipe them out. Right.

On an on went the attacks on Jewishness. Further laws were passed and ghettos were set up for the Jews to live in. Life as a Jew in Christendom must have been pretty hellish.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120011 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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That was a mean spirited comment regarding your mental health. I apologize to you for hurting your feelings.
Didn't bother me at all - it just showed that you couldn't deal with my post.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120012 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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God is getting what he wants. He is separating and holding apart his people.
My friend you are playing a very dangerous game. All of us will find out either in this life or after death that the great I AM is
I see

So your god wants to torture the vast majority of humanity for all eternity?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120013 Dec 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>How barbaric and violent. No wonder Christians kill so often.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#120014 Dec 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>To be fair, god wanted the people smited. He told Moses what they were up to before Moses even came down.
But Moses talked god out of smiting them. I guess Moses wanted to do the smiting.
Strange that Moses was so surprised when he saw them and smashed the commandments And stranger still, how does one talk god out of doing what he wants?
I mean the whole story makes no sense.
That's my point.... it makes no sense..... On one hand god is this mega supreme being that demands respect and fear. yet allows some mortal man to take over the reigns and do his bidding for him and steal his glory.

When Abraham was talking to god and trying to save Sodom, the bible clearly describes Abraham physically trembling at the thought of questioning this god and his authority, yet Moses goes further and acts as if he is the god. Go Figure.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120015 Dec 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Is some atheist claiming we are "on the same footing as cockroaches"? Or is this what you feel is the case if we are both just a product of evolution?
You feel we are both a product of god, so does that not put us on the same footing in the same sense? Not that I feel we are on the same footing at all.
If you chose not to believe we are related to apes, fine, but it sure looks as if we are. Going by the DNA alone shows we are related. Just as DNA can show who your brother and sisters are, DNA can show what other species are related. Either that, or god is trying to fool us into believing in evolution by making the DNA follow this pattern.
Poor curious, his mind is fuddled with superstitious mumbo jumbo.

I was reading that our DNA contains the codes for a protein called vitelligenin (it's what makes egg yolk).

I wonder what curious' explanation would be as to why the supreme creator being implanted these codes into our DNA.

After all those particular genes are not functional in us, but are virtually identical to the ones found in chickens (and other birds). Vitelligenin makes egg yolk so it is useful for animals that lay eggs but not for placental mammals like us.

Evolutionary Theory would explain this by saying that the three genes developed in common ancestors of mammals and birds (egg laying reptiles) and have fallen into disrepair in mammals where there was no selective advantage to keep them functional, but have remained intact in birds as they are still necessary.

That's the scientific view in brief.

Here's more of the science if you're interested....

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/19...

I wonder what the view from superstition and magic is?

I guess we'd better ask curious.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120016 Dec 30, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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And that is what is called Human Ego run Amuck... You summed it up well you are of the view that humans are Superior and a God created the Universe for mankind to look at and enjoy... Then the next Ego trip is that Your Religion is superior to those other religions that are false ..... Then the next step is You are superior to all who disagree with your views...
Total arrogance and self importance on full display...
There's another ego trip in there.

It's that their god died for them.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#120017 Dec 30, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
When Moses was discussing the destruction of Sodom with god, he was trembling with fear when he questioned god's decision to destroy. Yet now.... Moses is taking the lead and making decisions on his Own. Why 2 sides of Moses and 2 personalities of god? In one instance, he's a god to be feared and in another, he can be overlooked like a footnote.
Moses had reason to be shaking. He wasn't alive yet.
LOL.......You better stop ingesting acid tablets. look what it's done to Kraktu and Q

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120018 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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Islam is a religion of lies and hate based upon hatred of the Jews. Islamists feel Esau was cheated out of the Israel by Jacob. Plus they claim Mohommed was the final prophet even though he lived 700 years after Christ. That means Mohommed is an Anti-Christ.
The Jews have enough problems with centuries of Christian hatred let alone Islamic hatred.

Constantinople was the greatest and most powerful city in Christendom

Mohammed prophesied that it would fall to Islam

It did

That makes Mohammed a prophet.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#120019 Dec 30, 2013
Curious wrote:
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Moses had reason to be shaking. He wasn't alive yet.
LOL.......You better stop ingesting acid tablets. look what it's done to Kraktu and Q
Not being alive never stopped Moses.

After all, he's credited with writing books after he died.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#120020 Dec 30, 2013
SevenT wrote:
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NOPE you said all these religions have differing beliefs therefore they are all wrong. Plus you are an Atheist. Therefore you are an arrogant fool who thinks they have all the answers.
Not what I said. All these religions have different beliefs, and not all can be correct. But all think they are correct. All think the others are incorrect.

I see you could not prove your claim of what I said. Typical of theists. Zero evidence of claims. You are just a liar like Curious.

And do you think you are not arrogant by claiming we are wrong?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#120021 Dec 30, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And many gods were invented after your Jesus.
No, we cannot all be correct. "known fact" claims your church is false. Catholics claim your church is false. Mormons claim your church is false. Muslims claim your church is false. Hindu's claim your church is false. They all believe theirs is the one true church. And this concept causes much holy war and strife. No god comes down to settle the disputes. He just lets the wars go on and on. You guys keep claiming he is coming, but of course it never happens. It is an empty promise.
It is clear to me, they are all fabricated stories. I could be wrong, but evidence does not show you are correct.
Here is the post in question. No "therefore" to be seen.
I conclude the religions are false for a verity of reasons. I do not conclude it based upon the disagreements between them.
And I even conceded I could be wrong. Now that is far less arrogant than the Christians here.

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