Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 134,388

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#118658 Dec 10, 2013
Unktehila wrote:
sorry but these near deaths were clinically dead. if we can't trust, western scientist to know what dead is, why should we trust them to know anything else?
http://www.ted.com/talks/mark_roth_suspended_...
http://labs.fhcrc.org/roth/
so we know that people can actually die and then some how be revivified and not lose any memory. in fact, they will experience memories that are more vivid than the one's experienced while conscious to this 3rd density reality.
I think we need to start off by agreeing on the definition of "clinically dead"

Here's what Wikipedia has to say....

"Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain life.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest. The term is also sometimes used in resuscitation research.

Stopped blood circulation has historically proven irreversible in most cases. Prior to the invention of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), defibrillation, epinephrine injection, and other treatments in the 20th century, the absence of blood circulation (and vital functions related to blood circulation) was historically considered to be the official definition of death. With the advent of these strategies, cardiac arrest came to be called "clinical death" rather than simply "death" to reflect the possibility of post-arrest resuscitation; for medical purposes, it is considered to be the final physical state before permanent death."

So, according to that, "clinically dead" isn't "actually dead" and recovery is possible.

Now let's see what Wikipedia tells us about NDE's....

"A near-death experience (NDE) refers to a broad range of personal experiences associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body; feelings of levitation; extreme fear; total serenity, security, or warmth; the experience of absolute dissolution; and the presence of a light.

These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or otherwise very close to death, hence the term near-death experience. Many NDE reports, however, originate from events that are not life-threatening. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.[1]

Many in the scientific community regard such experiences as hallucinatory,[2][3][4] while paranormal specialists and some mainstream scientists regard them to be evidence of an afterlife."

So, NDE's are "experiences associated with impending death". That's clinical as opposed to actual, death.

I'll admit that people's accounts of NDE's often appear in magazines and newspapers yet that's just the way people in our society are:

Horoscopes, ghosts, vampires, zombies, crop circles, alien abductions, magic, healing crystals, mystic energies, NDE's, religion.

There are no end of books on the above. Go into any magazine store and you'll see shelves full of magazines on the occult, astrology, UFO's and other superstitions.

How many science magazines are they? Not many.

We know from curious how easily gullible people eagerly lap up (often without evidence) any mumbo jumbo that's put in front of them. Yet those same people will frequently ignore the tangible realities that science brings us.

What do I think about NDE's? I don't think they're magical, I just think that the few that do occur are yet to be fully explained by science (they're working on it) and I think the answer is far more likely to be one that we can explain with science rather than with the Bible/Quran/Talmud/Gita/etc.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#118659 Dec 10, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again you act as if the death penalty is the only way to have accountability.
I guess Hitler had the very same view.
They violated the most important commandment,broke their solemn oath and placed the congregation at risk.
Those of us who believe in God place much value in any agreement we enter into with Our Creator , we do not consider it to be meaningless
as you have suggested.
Those who rebelled against God knew the rules and chose to violate them. They were a cancer that had to be removed entirely.
They were responsible for the cause of their deaths.
Moses did exactly what he had to do.
Don't do the crime,if you can't do the time.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#118660 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
Curiously, more than one fifth 21 percent of those who counted themselves as atheists said they believed in God while eight percent expressed absolute certainty about this state of affairs.
How can you be an atheist and also believe in a god?

They're not atheists.
yam nahar

Manchester, KY

#118661 Dec 10, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
"I yam what I yam"
~Popeye~
yawweh = yaw + chavvah or river of life

ahea ashur ahea

http://hermetic.com/yarker/the-arcane-schools...

ineffable & taboo
bobbi bobbi

Manchester, KY

#118662 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
They violated the most important commandment,broke their solemn oath and placed the congregation at risk.
Those of us who believe in God place much value in any agreement we enter into with Our Creator , we do not consider it to be meaningless
as you have suggested.
Those who rebelled against God knew the rules and chose to violate them. They were a cancer that had to be removed entirely.
They were responsible for the cause of their deaths.
Moses did exactly what he had to do.
Don't do the crime,if you can't do the time.
the god of moses was a false god.

thou shall not is a negative; which contrasts with what jesus said.

thou shall love other as self is the whole of the LAW
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#118663 Dec 10, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you be an atheist and also believe in a god?
They're not atheists.
Those are the findings of the study conducted by Pew research and they are Very Reputable.
As the article stated, Atheists seem to be in a state of mental confusion.
25% attend religious services each week.
Like I have said before ,Atheists continuously debate an issue , the topic of which they do not believe exists. Why is that?
I believe their subconscious is trying to lead them in the right direction. I think that some Atheists are begining to get the message... That would explain it.
apophis

Manchester, KY

#118664 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
They violated the most important commandment,broke their solemn oath and placed the congregation at risk.
Those of us who believe in God place much value in any agreement we enter into with Our Creator , we do not consider it to be meaningless
as you have suggested.
Those who rebelled against God knew the rules and chose to violate them. They were a cancer that had to be removed entirely.
They were responsible for the cause of their deaths.
Moses did exactly what he had to do.
Don't do the crime,if you can't do the time.
ezekiel 9:4

the mark of the living god = tau - cross of resurrection

mark

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/L...

the mark of the beast rev 20:14

idolatry

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/L...

the crime

Ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#118665 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
They violated the most important commandment,broke their solemn oath and placed the congregation at risk.
Those of us who believe in God place much value in any agreement we enter into with Our Creator , we do not consider it to be meaningless
as you have suggested.
Those who rebelled against God knew the rules and chose to violate them. They were a cancer that had to be removed entirely.
They were responsible for the cause of their deaths.
Moses did exactly what he had to do.
Don't do the crime,if you can't do the time.
Yeah, yeah.

We all know that you're in favour of slavery, genocide, killing homosexuals and killing people who exercise freedom of religion.

What a degenerate morality you have.

yilbegan

Manchester, KY

#118666 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
They violated the most important commandment,broke their solemn oath and placed the congregation at risk.
Those of us who believe in God place much value in any agreement we enter into with Our Creator , we do not consider it to be meaningless
as you have suggested.
Those who rebelled against God knew the rules and chose to violate them. They were a cancer that had to be removed entirely.
They were responsible for the cause of their deaths.
Moses did exactly what he had to do.
Don't do the crime,if you can't do the time.
she's an animal.

the tower is to be struck down.

http://www.learntarot.com/maj16.htm

mystery, wh0re of babel. the mother of all harlotries(idolatries).

isaiah 66

I AM the stuff of stars.

effed up. come on

the breath of life realized

Exodus 15:17
Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain(temple mount) of thine inheritance, in the place, O Lord, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established.

my body is sanctuary.

2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
neak

Manchester, KY

#118667 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are the findings of the study conducted by Pew research and they are Very Reputable.
As the article stated, Atheists seem to be in a state of mental confusion.
25% attend religious services each week.
Like I have said before ,Atheists continuously debate an issue , the topic of which they do not believe exists. Why is that?
I believe their subconscious is trying to lead them in the right direction. I think that some Atheists are begining to get the message... That would explain it.
you worship the beast that once was, now is not, yet will come?

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition(ein sof).

if i was nothing, i would hate me too.

I AM atheist

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#118668 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are the findings of the study conducted by Pew research and they are Very Reputable.
As the article stated, Atheists seem to be in a state of mental confusion.
25% attend religious services each week.
Like I have said before ,Atheists continuously debate an issue , the topic of which they do not believe exists. Why is that?
I believe their subconscious is trying to lead them in the right direction. I think that some Atheists are begining to get the message... That would explain it.
Your posts also said this:
Curious wrote:
Curiously, more than one fifth 21 percent of those who counted themselves as atheists said they believed in God while eight percent expressed absolute certainty about this state of affairs.
Quite simply. If you believe in the existence of a god then you're not an atheist.

Since: Dec 13

Richmond, KY

#118669 Dec 10, 2013
coi coi vilu wrote:
<quoted text>
one last thought for u. i'm not a past christian. in your foolishness you worship the begotten above the Uncreated Creator.
knowledge is power with more science(knowledge) comes more suffering(struggling). you know the tree(man) by its fruit(labor)
hercules born of a woman and a god.
take up "your" cross and follow me. the winds of change are coming.
Then I suppose that my comment at the very beginning wasn't aimed at you, but at past Christians that have abandoned their faith, which is evident that "if every christian would read the bible then they would they not be converted from idolatry." is simply a supposition with no backing evidence.

As for foolishness, I'm positive critical reasoning skills and common discernment will always aim in holding a belief in something that is evident to be true or backed by evidence that can support an idea, the Bible contains none of those qualities, only vague platitudes and a reflecting God to fill whatever aperture of their own egotistical tendencies that they use to try to give merit their condescending nature; I've never heard any adamant believer claim that they were going to hell, but I've sure heard that comment thrown at me and others alike. Also, that Oxymoron lacks any significant meaning towards your argument, or the existence of a creator.

I'm not here to debate about your false pretenses that are purposely obscured and only backed by misleading and poorly executed attempts at subtly trying to back its own point with its own ill-gotten messages. You're only kicking your crosses down at this point, buddy.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#118670 Dec 10, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Your posts also said this:
<quoted text>
Quite simply. If you believe in the existence of a god then you're not an atheist.
Quite simply , I merely posted the findings of the Pew research project.
How it is that those who claim to be Atheists also beleive in God
is difficult to understand . The article I posted alludes to Atheists being confused.
I think that this condition is caused by the fact that many Atheists , such as are found on this forum , spend a large part of their time continuously debating the existence of God,whom they do not believe exists.
I ask myself ,Why is that?
Makes no sense,unless , it is your subconscience making an effort to point out to you that your mind has deceived you into not believing in God.
Duquette denies this , but , this condition afflicting Atheists where they claim to be Atheists while believing in God , may well be caused by the struggle between their minds telling them one thing and their conscience's effort to lead them in the right direction.
Curious

Ocoee, FL

#118671 Dec 10, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, yeah.
We all know that you're in favour of slavery, genocide, killing homosexuals and killing people who exercise freedom of religion.
What a degenerate morality you have.
I believe Atheists,whose moral code is self inflicted are illequipped
to judge anyone's morality.
They can lower the bar as low as they want and can make the claim,as has been done here, that they've never done anything for which they need feel ashamed.
Or , as Duquette claimed , 85% of contracts are meaningless , neither your word or your signature mean anything.
Others can,based on their moral code,judge their parents to be delusional,throwing the commandment " Honor your father and Mother"
out the window.
I gave my reasons for justifying the events that occured in the OT based on God's instructions to the Jews.
Based on that , you claim that I support the killing of homosexuals , am in favor of slavery , genocide and the rest of your nonsense, as if I approved of the abovementioned under the circumstances of today... And you know better,you are lying.
but let me take that a step further ,you claimed I have adegenerate morality.
You would apply that statement to anyone who believes as I do.
So , those Catholics , Mormons and Southern baptists who believe as I do , also have a degeneerate morality , based on your immoral beliefs.
Then , I can conclude that those who have Catholic , Mormon or Southern baptist parents , the same can be said of their parents.
Maybe the same can be said of your parents.
Of course , those who have judged their parents as delusional ,may not agree with your views ,or they can claim that their parents disagree with the instructions given by God to the Israelis. let us see if any dare to disagree with your unscrupulous,lying and immoral conclusions

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#118672 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Quite simply , I merely posted the findings of the Pew research project.
How it is that those who claim to be Atheists also beleive in God
is difficult to understand . The article I posted alludes to Atheists being confused.
I think that this condition is caused by the fact that many Atheists , such as are found on this forum , spend a large part of their time continuously debating the existence of God,whom they do not believe exists.
I ask myself ,Why is that?
Makes no sense,unless , it is your subconscience making an effort to point out to you that your mind has deceived you into not believing in God.
Duquette denies this , but , this condition afflicting Atheists where they claim to be Atheists while believing in God , may well be caused by the struggle between their minds telling them one thing and their conscience's effort to lead them in the right direction.
Perhaps you need to research your dictionary. Oddly enough there are more definitions of god other than the one you refer too.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#118673 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Quite simply , I merely posted the findings of the Pew research project.
How it is that those who claim to be Atheists also beleive in God
is difficult to understand . The article I posted alludes to Atheists being confused.
I think that this condition is caused by the fact that many Atheists , such as are found on this forum , spend a large part of their time continuously debating the existence of God,whom they do not believe exists.
I ask myself ,Why is that?
Makes no sense,unless , it is your subconscience making an effort to point out to you that your mind has deceived you into not believing in God.
Duquette denies this , but , this condition afflicting Atheists where they claim to be Atheists while believing in God , may well be caused by the struggle between their minds telling them one thing and their conscience's effort to lead them in the right direction.
They could just as easily be confused Christians who are uncertain in their faith.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#118674 Dec 10, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
They could just as easily be confused Christians who are uncertain in their faith.
I have to agree with lodi. The term "god" means different things to different people.
"God" as a field of energy which comprises everything is not the same as "god" being Yahweh.
As you say, a confused Christian will only see "god" as the Judeo-Christian Yahweh, but a person who is trying to broaden their concept of a "god" might concieve it as something like "the Force" from Star Wars.
A survey is only as good as the quality of the questions asked.

Since: Dec 13

Richmond, KY

#118675 Dec 10, 2013
Curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are the findings of the study conducted by Pew research and they are Very Reputable.
As the article stated, Atheists seem to be in a state of mental confusion.
25% attend religious services each week.
Like I have said before ,Atheists continuously debate an issue , the topic of which they do not believe exists. Why is that?
I believe their subconscious is trying to lead them in the right direction. I think that some Atheists are begining to get the message... That would explain it.
Let me ask you a question. If people argued the existence of unicorns and monsters under beds, and it was at the forefront of the media along with being a belief that could be held by a majority in a society, would arguing against its existence be evident towards actually believing in it? If it is of topic discussion, acknowledging the issue doesn't give merit to believing in it or not. The reason why the issue is commonly debated is because it has been an influential factor in just about every society, it has a noticeable impact on a community and legislation, and simply deviating from a commonly held belief is going to cause issues with others that believe the opposite. You acknowledge the issue or subject, not the existence. I can sit here and argue that there are no Centaurs in existence, but arguing about the existence of the subject is not subconsciously acknowledging the existence of it, now is it?

As for the statistics, I know Atheists from other boards that do attend religious services simply for learning different beliefs, or simply because small communities are reliant of it for social interaction. Along with the statistics on that, other people could be hiding their disbeliefs, but since it can determine deviance, they tend to stay within the confines of church so they are not ousted out of a social group, which would more than likely be found in close-knit communities. There are also a larger numbers of contributing factors to that, but attending church isn't determinate of a belief, but it is a good precursor to being identified to having a certain belief.

As for the state of mental confusion, I'd like to see where it was exactly stated as that, and a link or copy of the study. My best bet is that you skewed every bit of information to credit a biased argument on your side, or you misjudged the statistics and stated that Atheists were in a state of mental confusion simply because of the idea that you couldn't grasp, based on the statistics that still attend church, or you just failed to read the whole study that could mention the factors that could increase the percentage of Atheists attending church, and used that to make your supposition that arguing its existence would show that they believe in its existence, or going to church acknowledges is always determinate of a belief.

The study might be reputable, but I don't think you are when it comes to summarizing it up for us.
Yes and Amen

Paintsville, KY

#118678 Dec 11, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You will have to be more specific.
Why am I here?
Here?....as in Alive? There is no reason or purpose. Life simply is.
Here?....as in a Topix chatroom discussing? It's fun and educational.
Btw, I am enjoying my Life.
There is more ...ummm, how to say it. I guess....EVERYTHING than I could ever have imagined.
So much to experience, to learn, to feel, to see, to do....
A hundred thousand lifetimes would not be enough to encompass it all.
Yet you waste your time desiring an imaginary existance.
You think you deserve better.
How sad.
Not sad....
I deserve Hell, or at least death by a thousand cuts, but...
I received Forgiveness!
Nothing Imaginary about the Lord...
No matter how much you want Him to be!

(So much to experience, to learn, to feel, to see, to do....
A hundred thousand lifetimes would not be enough to encompass it all)
I'll be looking forward to eternity... I've repented, and
placed my Trust on what Christ did on the Cross!
Yes and Amen

Paintsville, KY

#118679 Dec 11, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
No YaA, she wasn't proving anything about the scrawlings on ancient skins. She was posting about the >real< people believing in fantasies and delusions in the here and now.
Read it!
Proverbs 1
1:1 The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;
1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of
understanding;
1:3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment,
and equity;
1:4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge
and discretion.
1:5 A wise [man] will hear, and will increase learning; and a
man of understanding shall attain to wise counsels:
1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words
of the wise, and their dark sayings.
1:7 The fear of the LORD [is] the beginning of knowledge:[but]
fools despise wisdom and instruction.
1:8 My son, hear the instruction of thy father, and forsake not
the law of thy mother:
1:9 For they [shalt be] an ornament of grace to thy head, and
chains about thy neck.
It speaks of many of YOU!

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