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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 163750 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117591 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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1. Floods DID hapeen-FACT. Timelines cary. FACT.
2. Not denouncing it-I agree with the sentiment that the average earning labor force is wayyyy TAXED ENOUGH (and DRAINED DRY) ALREADY.
3. I already said that...but I will add gleefylly-"Partisan" poliTics is for mindless, spineless IDIOTS.
4. Damn straight--and we WILL fight to keep those rights as well, FOR the less able to to among us!
Anything else?
Flood may have happened but certainly not the worldwide and related events flood as described in the bible.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117592 Nov 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I don't believe in the existence of any gods. Not just yours. You act as if there are no other gods but you can't prove that.
<quoted text>
Gods. That's plural, you see - not singular.
Yours or anyone else's god are no more on my mind than Sauron is.
<quoted text>
Let me correct you again. It's et al (not etal). What's more, "et al" means "and others".
So...it's nice to know that you not only praise your god but you praise other gods too.
<quoted text>
Show me these studies.
<quoted text>
Your whole religion is based on others. The bible myths and fables are plagiarised from others and Xtianity is simply Judaism spiced up with paganism. There is precious little originality in your religion.
<quoted text>
I'll take your failure to refute me as your acceptance that I am right and your morals come from you.
You have refuted Nothing,you claim that you believe in no God or Gods but, you fail to explain why you are here every day , discussing that which you claim does not exist.
God consumes your thinking ,you can deny it ,but your actions and that of others , betray you .
There is something in your brain that will not permit you to ignore God. You can say you don't believe in him , but it is very clear , by YOUR ACTIONS , that you are unable to ignore him.
And the issues in question , you refused to address.
All you kept mentioning is Gods plural,

Then you state
" You act as if there are no other gods but you can't prove that."
You fail to address the issue as to why Atheists have a need to create their own Church?
And why they needed to borrow enerything they did in order to create their church, from Christian .

The Studies I refer to have been posted by me on several occasions as you well know...
Stop being evasive ,go back and read what I posted ,deal with the specifics and stop throwing stinkbombbs ,as is your custom.

Evasiveness does not Equal Victory , it is a tactic used to avoid facing reality...

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117593 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Floods DID hapeen-FACT. Timelines cary. FACT.
2. Not denouncing it-I agree with the sentiment that the average earning labor force is wayyyy TAXED ENOUGH (and DRAINED DRY) ALREADY.
3. I already said that...but I will add gleefylly-"Partisan" poliTics is for mindless, spineless IDIOTS.
4. Damn straight--and we WILL fight to keep those rights as well, FOR the less able to to among us!
Anything else?
1) NOACHIAN FLOOD, not sporadic local floods. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grayson-ky/TE...
2) The Tea Party backers are not interested in the least with whether the average earning labor force receives a living wage. They oppose fair taxation policies for upper tiers and endorse reduced protections and benefits "FOR the less able to to among us." You have never denied having Malthusian inclinations in your economic philosophies.
3) What you say vs what you do shall remain suspect, as you are a proven hypocrite.(see labelDuhm)
4) What you say vs. what you do shall remain suspect, as you are a proven hypocrite.(see Malthusian)
Old Slick

Hopkinsville, KY

#117594 Nov 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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2) The Tea Party backers are not interested in the least with whether the average earning labor force receives a living wage. They oppose fair taxation policies for upper tiers and endorse reduced protections and benefits "FOR the less able to to among us." You have never denied having Malthusian inclinations in your economic philosophies.
You are absolutely right. The Bible of Tea Party's libertarian socio-economic thought is Murray N. Rothbard's book "The Ethics of Liberty".

I found this letter to the editor in a newspaper a few years ago and kept it. A college professor wrote it. It pretty much sums up what the Tea Party really is:

There is a phenomenon in American politics today like none we have seen before, the Tea Party. Most thinking people who have analyzed it agree that the Tea Party is a mix of people from the struggling lower middle class frightened for their future under the existing political-economic order, the Christian Right, and Libertarians. Middle class Christians’ alignment with the Libertarians is inexplicable unless it is that they do not know what Libertarianism’s core values really are. Though they mask it with lofty-sounding rhetoric that proclaims a commitment to personal freedom and individual responsibility, Libertarians are elitists, and their socio-economic philosophy is vicious in concept, predicated on brutal survival of the strongest Social Darwinism tinged with both eugenics and subliminal racism. It is morally indefensible.

The bible of Libertarian doctrine is Murray N. Rothbard’s book The Ethics of Liberty. In it, Rothbard stated “in the free society, no man may be saddled with the legal obligation to do anything for another, since that would invade the former’s rights; the only legal obligation one man has to another is to respect the other man’s rights.” By this maxim, there should be no taxation to support the aged, the poor, dependent children, etc. In the “free” society that Libertarians envision, there would be no Social Security, no Medicare or Medicaid, no unemployment compensation, no government-mandated workplace safety precautions, no workman’s compensation insurance, and no tax-funded public schools. Government would provide no “welfare” of any kind. Individuals, no matter what their age, disability, or hard luck, would have to fend for themselves or beg for private charity; those for whom charity was not forthcoming would die.

Libertarians take this harsh concept of personal freedom even further. Rothbard was sincere when he wrote,“Applying our theory to parents and children, this means that a parent does not have the right to aggress against his children, but also that the parent should not have a legal obligation to feed, clothe, or educate his children, since such obligations would entail positive acts coerced upon the parent and depriving the parent of his rights. The parent therefore may not murder or mutilate his child, and the law properly outlaws a parent from doing so. But the parent should have the legal right not to feed the child, i.e., to allow it to die. The law, therefore, may not properly compel the parent to feed a child or to keep it alive.”

If this doesn’t seem chillingly familiar, it should: Rothbard merely reformulated the logic used by Nazi eugenicists to justify the killing by starvation of several thousand handicapped German children into Libertarian terms. Many good, middle class Christian Germans who supported the Nazi Party’s rise to power later claimed that they thought what Hitler said in Mein Kampf was merely rhetoric, and did not think that the Nazis really intended to put it into practice. Americans dare not make the same mistake with the Libertarians who are using the Tea Party as their Trojan Horse.
AntiFlag

Cincinnati, OH

#117595 Nov 21, 2013
The Bible SHOULD be read, discussed, and analyzed in school. Then there'd be a lot fewer superstitious religious nut-jobs running around.

Same for "Mein Kampf", Marx, Lennon, and George Lincoln Rockwell's books.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117596 Nov 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's what I said.

Khatru wrote:
Here's what I said.
There is a possibility that humanity was created by an alien species and you know what?

That possibility is still considerably more likely than the abracadabra method of creation favoured by you. You know, the one involving a talking snake and a disobedient woman.

It still doesn't change anything because ID for you involves magic and not science. It invokes superstition and ju-ju and onlt applies to the god you have picked to believe in.
ID in this sense is 100% science - no magic or supernatural deity required.
Let's set the record straight;
It is your Faith" Atheism" that believes there is no God or Gods.
It is your faith that claims Life originated by accidental or natural means ,eliminating ID as the source.
Now your Faith has trapped you and you can not escape
Here is what you are now stating

"There is a possibility that humanity was created by an alien species and you know what?"
When you refer to an Alien Species as our creator are you not reffering to someone with supernatural powers?
Is that not the definition of a God?

Then ,in total ignorance ,which you fail to explain, you claim that your new beliefs are Scientifically based 100%.
Well ,if they are ,then what you are saying is that we were created by Beings with supernatural powers ,IE Gods.
You built the snare ,got ensnared in it and can't get out.
Those who claim to be wise are caught in their own snares.
You will attempt to deviate from this subject because neither you or the Fools brigade will be able to extricate you from this mess.
Your smokescreens will serve to confirm your inability to answer these questions
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117597 Nov 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> Are you a reader of the Bible? Do you believe that the 10 commandments warn against very bad sins? Do you interpret one of the 10 Commandments as meaning Thou shalt not slander? If so, you have sinned are are obviously destined for hell.
Well , I am not sure one goes to hell for slander , that is your FOOL"S imagination working overtime.
Nevertheless , since what I have stated is supported by the evidence, there is no need for you to inject slander into the conversation.
Those who deviate are deviants.
A narcisstic fool you are , I presented the evidence for my claim.
Why did you not refute them? I'll answer that .Because you could not.
Neither could the Chain of Fools with whom you associate.
AntiFlag

Cincinnati, OH

#117598 Nov 21, 2013
There is no such thing as "supernatural". Everything that happens is natural.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117599 Nov 21, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's set the record straight;
It is your Faith" Atheism" that believes there is no God or Gods.
It is your faith that claims Life originated by accidental or natural means ,eliminating ID as the source.
Now your Faith has trapped you and you can not escape
Here is what you are now stating
"There is a possibility that humanity was created by an alien species and you know what?"
When you refer to an Alien Species as our creator are you not reffering to someone with supernatural powers?
Is that not the definition of a God?
Then ,in total ignorance ,which you fail to explain, you claim that your new beliefs are Scientifically based 100%.
Well ,if they are ,then what you are saying is that we were created by Beings with supernatural powers ,IE Gods.
You built the snare ,got ensnared in it and can't get out.
Those who claim to be wise are caught in their own snares.
You will attempt to deviate from this subject because neither you or the Fools brigade will be able to extricate you from this mess.
Your smokescreens will serve to confirm your inability to answer these questions
By all means, lets' set that record straight. It is you who inserts a mystical being into your gap of knowledge and calls it belief, Truth, faith - and it is you who has nary a trace of evidence, fact, data or cause beyond your personal wants, desires and psychological needs. When you cannot recognize the content of what people have been posting, it's because your own fog is your own smokescreen.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#117600 Nov 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, we don't and you know what?
We don't feel the need to go round telling people that they will burn in eternal hell and damnation if they don't see things our way.
That's what the xtians do, so perhaps you should direct your bile and invective at them.
Sorry, I've not ever experienced any of that type of thing from whomever "them" is.

And if I did, I'd just roll my eyes and know better.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#117601 Nov 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Flood may have happened but certainly not the worldwide and related events flood as described in the bible.
As stated many times prior, not everyone interprets/reads the same.
I for one, have never interpreted the Bible to literally say/mean "the whole world was flooded".

Especially given the FACT that milleniums ago, 100 miles to some, could've been perceived and thus (de)scribed as "the whole world", for all we REALLY know.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#117602 Nov 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
1) NOACHIAN FLOOD, not sporadic local floods. http://www.topix.com/forum/city/grayson-ky/TE...
2) The Tea Party backers are not interested in the least with whether the average earning labor force receives a living wage. They oppose fair taxation policies for upper tiers and endorse reduced protections and benefits "FOR the less able to to among us." You have never denied having Malthusian inclinations in your economic philosophies.
3) What you say vs what you do shall remain suspect, as you are a proven hypocrite.(see labelDuhm)
4) What you say vs. what you do shall remain suspect, as you are a proven hypocrite.(see Malthusian)
You haven't proven anything, except that you yourself are a judgementalist....that bases your opinion on collective stereotype of labelDUHM platforms.

Bench warmer.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117603 Nov 21, 2013
curious wrote:
You have refuted Nothing
You really need to express yourself better. Let's just parse this statement a little:

"You have refuted" Yes, I have refuted - I fully agree.

"Nothing" Yes, I agree again. What you said amounted to nothing and it was that nothing that I refuted.

What you should have said was "You haven't refuted anything".

However, you didn't. By saying "You have refuted nothing" is a statement of fact as I have refuted the nothing that your posts are.
curious wrote:
you claim that you believe in no God or Gods but, you fail to explain why you are here every day , discussing that which you claim does not exist.
God consumes your thinking ,you can deny it ,but your actions and that of others , betray you.
There is something in your brain that will not permit you to ignore God. You can say you don't believe in him , but it is very clear , by YOUR ACTIONS , that you are unable to ignore him.
And the issues in question , you refused to address.
All you kept mentioning is Gods plural,
Then you state
" You act as if there are no other gods but you can't prove that."
As long as you keep setting up your statements without any evidence, I'll keep on knocking them down without any evidence.
curious wrote:
You fail to address the issue as to why Atheists have a need to create their own Church?
And why they needed to borrow enerything they did in order to create their church, from Christian .
I don't know - why don't you ask them? They're only a small group and I don't think there are many of them. An atheist church, eh? Must be like watching Star Wars without the evil empire.
curious wrote:
The Studies I refer to have been posted by me on several occasions as you well know...
No, actually I don't know.
curious wrote:
Stop being evasive ,go back and read what I posted ,deal with the specifics and stop throwing stinkbombbs ,as is your custom.
Evasiveness does not Equal Victory , it is a tactic used to avoid facing reality...
Evasive? LOL This from the guy whose whole religion is full of apologetics

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117605 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I've not ever experienced any of that type of thing from whomever "them" is.
And if I did, I'd just roll my eyes and know better.
Just go back and check out a few of Amber's and Y&A's posts you'll see plenty of it.

Don't worry if you haven't got time, it won't be long before they come back and start with their ju-ju about them being saved and us non-believers being Hellbound.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117606 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't proven anything, except that you yourself are a judgementalist....that bases your opinion on collective stereotype of labelDUHM platforms.
Bench warmer.
I trust the next time Y&A and Amber go off on one of their "You're going to Hell" rants, you'll also be referring to them as judgmentalists.

Fair's fair.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117607 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
As stated many times prior, not everyone interprets/reads the same.
I for one, have never interpreted the Bible to literally say/mean "the whole world was flooded".
Especially given the FACT that milleniums ago, 100 miles to some, could've been perceived and thus (de)scribed as "the whole world", for all we REALLY know.
So you believe it was just a local flood and not the world destroying deluge that millions of other christians claim it was?

I guess this also means that you believe thousands of people around the world carried on living their lives. So all this stuff about Noah and his family being the only people saved is also a myth.

Good for you.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117608 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't proven anything, except that you yourself are a judgementalist....that bases your opinion on collective stereotype of labelDUHM platforms.
Bench warmer.
meh. I didn't set out to prove anything. If I had, I would have wasted time citing facts, laying out examples, providing references - you know... doing the legwork that religies initially ignore and soon forget. Been there, done that.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117611 Nov 21, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
As stated many times prior, not everyone interprets/reads the same.
I for one, have never interpreted the Bible to literally say/mean "the whole world was flooded".
Especially given the FACT that milleniums ago, 100 miles to some, could've been perceived and thus (de)scribed as "the whole world", for all we REALLY know.
100 miles? 4500 years ago there were established trade routes that were way beyond that, and the OT was established lloonngg after that.
I'll be amicable and agree with you that there was no Noahcian flood that inundated all of the land beneath the heavens and submerged the highest mountains to a depth of 15 cubits. But then, what else did not happen? Talking snakes and donkeys are safe bets. The building that reached near to heaven and the sundering of language? How about dividing the Red Sea, or a man living in a fish for 3 days? I can also agree with you that staves to snakes, manna from heaven, virgin birth, feeding multitudes with a fish and a loaf of bread, and walking on water are also bogus.
You see? I am not unreasonable.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117612 Nov 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
You really need to express yourself better. Let's just parse this statement a little:
"You have refuted" Yes, I have refuted - I fully agree.
"Nothing" Yes, I agree again. What you said amounted to nothing and it was that nothing that I refuted.
What you should have said was "You haven't refuted anything".
However, you didn't. By saying "You have refuted nothing" is a statement of fact as I have refuted the nothing that your posts are.
<quoted text>
As long as you keep setting up your statements without any evidence, I'll keep on knocking them down without any evidence.
<quoted text>
I don't know - why don't you ask them? They're only a small group and I don't think there are many of them. An atheist church, eh? Must be like watching Star Wars without the evil empire.
<quoted text>
No, actually I don't know.
<quoted text>
Evasive? LOL This from the guy whose whole religion is full of apologetics
Don't argue with a fool , they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
George Carlin......

BTW A little remindef about the accomplishments of Science.
Contrary to popular belief in some circles; The Universe is not eternal ,it was created as confirmed by Science in 1931 and clearly stated in Genesis ,about 6000 years ago.

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." - Hebrews 11:3

Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. In this case, "it" is what physicists call "dark matter." They can't see it, they can't measure it (at least not directly), and they don't know what it is made of. Yet scientists believe it constitutes over 90 percent of all the matter in the universe.

Man is made from stardust , the dust in the ground.....Can you imagine that?
Yes,Science has managed to verify the accuracy of the Bible.
Of course , you will spin it differently , but, the facts speak for themselves....

nevertheless , I wll adhere to George Carlin , as it is worth repeating
Don't argue with a fool , they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
George Carlin......

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117613 Nov 21, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't argue with a fool , they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
George Carlin......
BTW A little remindef about the accomplishments of Science.
Contrary to popular belief in some circles; The Universe is not eternal ,it was created as confirmed by Science in 1931 and clearly stated in Genesis ,about 6000 years ago.
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." - Hebrews 11:3
Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. In this case, "it" is what physicists call "dark matter." They can't see it, they can't measure it (at least not directly), and they don't know what it is made of. Yet scientists believe it constitutes over 90 percent of all the matter in the universe.
Man is made from stardust , the dust in the ground.....Can you imagine that?
Yes,Science has managed to verify the accuracy of the Bible.
Of course , you will spin it differently , but, the facts speak for themselves....
nevertheless , I wll adhere to George Carlin , as it is worth repeating
Don't argue with a fool , they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
George Carlin......
You're a YEC!???

ROFLMAO

That explains the incessant stupidity that positively radiates outward from you.

Dark matter and energy are provisional hypotheses to explain real phenomena. No-one is required to believe them. If someone comes up with a better hypothesis based on further observations, they could be heaved out of the door.

Question: When does anything analogous ever happen in religion?

Answer: Never

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