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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#117191 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
By "GOD " I mean the Living Author of creation. Do not attempt to pin your foolish beliefs on me.
If you want to see explanations that don't use magic , you need to stay away from the nonsensical Atheist Scientific explanation that somehow , life originated as the result of an unexplainable accident ,which supposedly occured billions of years ago, in an unnamed place ,not witnessed by anyone,for which there is no written or unwritten record and which no one has personally experienced.
There is absolutely no evidence that life can be created by natural means. Atheist Scientists are frantically trying to create life ,not by natural means ,but by attempting to Design experiments
that will lead them to the correct formula.
So far, they have utterly failed to design and create that which they claim does not need a creator . If that is not an absurd contradiction ,what is?
What Atheist Scientists have done so far,is to deny the Supernatural ,presenting no evidence for that opinion.
That is an unfoundrd belief ,completely based on their faith.
, thereby destroying the argument that"they don't make up things and pretend to know something that they don't know"
That is what YOUR faith is based on, delusions ,contradictions , stinkbombs and excuses.
Why are you such a hypocrite? Is that what your beliefs tell you to be?

You talk about lack of evidence and then go on to insist the universe was magicked together.

Your ridiculous creation story involves a talking snake a fruit tree and a disobedient woman.

You prefer myth and magic over science.

It doesn't matter how you dress it up, your faith is simply you pretending to know something that you don't really know. Your faith is irrational and deluded. You fill the gaps in our knowledge with ancient superstition and ju-ju.

Anyway, speaking of getting dressed up..was Jesus a cross dresser?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#117192 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
More inane comments emanating from The Hershey Factory in Pennsylvania , where Nuts are one of the main ingredients used in making candy bars that are detrimental to your Health
Calm down, I can understand you're mad with yourself for being suckered into believing in ancient myth.
Parent

Clintwood, VA

#117193 Nov 16, 2013
I agree

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#117194 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:

<quoted text>
My beliefs and my personal experiences with my GOD ,make him real TO ME , and no one has provided me with any evidence that would lead me to question my beliefs.

So , I accept that some entity has to always have existed.
The question is, Does that entity posses the properties of life,consciousness and intelligence and is therefor able to pass those properties on to nonliving,nonconscious ,nonintelligent matter?
If that entity does not posses those properties , then how can they be accounted for , and how is that entity able to create those properties which it does not posses nor is aware of?
So we end up with ,Life can only be created from life.
Unconsciousness can not create consciousness and non intelligence can not create intelligence.
Therefore everything points toward intelligent design as the most plausible explanation.

Laws and natural means are not the Creating agent.
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Give me your definition of Intelligent Design {in detail} in your own words
In case you missed it here is the question again: Give me your definition of Intelligent Design {in detail} in your own words....I find it interesting that you can give explicit reasons as to why it must be intelligent design yet cannot give a simple definition of what you think Intelligent Design means.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#117195 Nov 16, 2013
Well alas, it's obvious Curious is not going to elaborate on the meaning of Intelligent Design..so I will let the Discovery Institute, perhaps the most visible and vocal mouthpiece for the ID cause, explain precisely what ID is:
Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Through the study and analysis of a system's components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion approximately 530 million years ago.
....Curious, would you agree with that definition?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#117196 Nov 16, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you such a hypocrite? Is that what your beliefs tell you to be?
You talk about lack of evidence and then go on to insist the universe was magicked together.
Your ridiculous creation story involves a talking snake a fruit tree and a disobedient woman.
You prefer myth and magic over science.
It doesn't matter how you dress it up, your faith is simply you pretending to know something that you don't really know. Your faith is irrational and deluded. You fill the gaps in our knowledge with ancient superstition and ju-ju.
Anyway, speaking of getting dressed up..was Jesus a cross dresser?
Seems that your faith has led you into the mental state of idiotism and noncomprehension.
You try to imply that the criteria for my beliefs are the same criteria you have for your beliefs.
At no time have I mentioned magic as the basis for my beliefs.
If I were to believe , as Atheist Scientists do , that natural laws are able to create life,intelligence and consciousness where none existed previously,then I would be using magic as the basis for my faith.
WE KNOW THAT LAWS ARE INCAPABLE of creating or designing anything.
The laws of nature are merely a series of words which we use in explaining how things may or do occur.
Abracadabra is a "magical" word and is quite uncapable of creating all the abovementioned properties which humans posses.
That is the formula that you base your faith on and Atheist Scientists subscribe to;
"That which has no previous existence and has no way of knowing that it has never existed is somehow capable of self creating properties that are so complex and pass them on to nonliving,nonconscious and nonintelligent matter."
And Atheist Scientists , determined to prove that life does not need a creator and determined to prove their point , are doing so by attempting to create life in their laboratories.
That is the type of logic that one expects to find among imbecilic ,idiotic and raving lunatics.
Of course , you choose to defend that faith by claiming you don't believe in Magic.....
And you may be right ,you don't believe in Magic.
Your faith is based on less than magic , it is based on lunacy.

BTW Hersheys is looking for some Atheist nuts to put into their new candy bar. The wrapper will carry an emblem of the moon and will be named LUNATIC in honor of it's primary ingredient

curious

Ocoee, FL

#117197 Nov 16, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
Well alas, it's obvious Curious is not going to elaborate on the meaning of Intelligent Design..so I will let the Discovery Institute, perhaps the most visible and vocal mouthpiece for the ID cause, explain precisely what ID is:
Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature. The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. Through the study and analysis of a system's components, a design theorist is able to determine whether various natural structures are the product of chance, natural law, intelligent design, or some combination thereof. Such research is conducted by observing the types of information produced when intelligent agents act. Scientists then seek to find objects which have those same types of informational properties which we commonly know come from intelligence. Intelligent design has applied these scientific methods to detect design in irreducibly complex biological structures, the complex and specified information content in DNA, the life-sustaining physical architecture of the universe, and the geologically rapid origin of biological diversity in the fossil record during the Cambrian explosion approximately 530 million years ago.
....Curious, would you agree with that definition?
Foolish one , You finally went and did for yourself what you wanted me to do for you...
Moreover , your temper tantrum which led you to say you were going to put me on "IGNORE" was exactly that , a temper tantrum.
Seems you went to the vet and got a distemper shot.
I am not a Scientist.
My belief of ID is based on my belief that " that which does not posses nor is aware of certain properties " natural laws" is somehow able to create those properties , not for itself , but in order to pass them on to what we know as matter.
If you can explain to me , how all that can be made possible , then I will have to rethink my position.
In case you forgot,the properties in question are Lifr, intelligence and consciousness.
BTW If you are going to contact Khatru , MD , CHroe or any of the others in order to bombard me with smokescreens and stinkbombs
Fugedaboutit... I have become immune to them

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117198 Nov 16, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen worm, if I need a translator, I'll ask a brick wall.
That would explain it.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#117199 Nov 16, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Calm down, I can understand you're mad with yourself for being suckered into believing in ancient myth.
Foolish one , I am as calm as the eye of a storm.
It is you and the legion of fools that inhabit this website that need be worried
Soon,all of you will be the main Ingredient for HERSHEYS NEWEST CANDY BAR.
As soon as consumers find out that the main ingredient is composed of Atheist Nuts ,they will refuse to buy and you will sit on the shelves for years on end and become stale , much like your Atheist Faith.

I see that you also posted as Parent ,agreeing with this post.
What a Klutz.......

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117200 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
No , you are misstating what I have said
"The question is, Does that entity posses the properties of life,consciousness and intelligence and is therefor able to pass those properties on to nonliving,nonconscious ,nonintelligent matter?
If that entity does not posses those properties , then how can they be accounted for , and how is that entity able to create those properties which it does not posses nor is aware of?"
And I have also stated that Nonlife can not create life ,nonintelligence can not create intelligence and nonconsciousness can not create consciousness.
That evolution can account for a brain evolving ,is the mechanism
not the creating agent.
So,we know that if we are alive , we will attain the property of consciousness and intelligence ,over a period of time.
Again,that is the mechanism , not the creating agent.
How we were able to ATTAIN those properties is not explained by the mechansim that leads to those properties being developed over a period of time.
It merely explains the Process , not the creating agent.
You are filling in the gaps by implying that all these events are caused by natural causes or natural laws.
I totally disagree with that view and it has no basis in fact.
Natural laws are only a means to explain ,not a means to create or design. Laws are not conscious ,intelligent or alive.
Intelligence ,life and consciousness need a creator and there is no law that can create such,neither can they self create themselves ,certainly ,there is no evidence for such an occurence.
Since I know you disagree with my beliefs ,don't just say that they are based on Magic. that is nonsense.
Give me an alternative scenario as to how these events may have occured.
Is god of life? If so, then life must have created it, unless you change the rules you just laid out.
Fact is, you have double standards for your version of life starting, so this game is fixed.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117201 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep yourself cloaked in ignorance ,denial and false allegations.
That dress code is very appropriate for those with foolish minds.
I quoted about 5 different sources as the basis for my information,including that extremist Christian Website at ABC TV network.
fact is that , as you know ,Hitchens was an alcoholic ,by his own admission.
And as he claimed ,he did his best writing when he was "SHEETFACED"
Quoting something and posting a link are two very different things. I have yet to see a link.
Btw, this was not in reference to his drinking, as it is irrelevant to his logic. Nice diversion though.
Again, you have yet to show the context of his claims. You simply believe some article that shows no logical reason for the statement.
And as others have shown, he has made the claim in the context of showing an example of a poor belief.
So face it, even shit faced drunk, you have nothing to pin on Hitchens so you resort to lying.
Compared to Moses and king David, he is a saint. He had no one killed unjustly as they certainly did.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117202 Nov 16, 2013
preacher wrote:
<quoted text>there's no such thing as separation of church an state.... we need the church in the state, but not the state in the church....
So the state should promote Mohamed and institute sharia law? Get ready for some war.
This is why their is a separation of church and state.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117203 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right,Magic is not the answer.
Neither is ignorance or the lame excuses that have been provided so far.
You need advise those who are locked into the incomprehensible belief that by some magical reaction Nothing can create Something out of Nothing that they need stop believing in abracadabra , Witchetty spells and Aladin and his magic lamp.
Good spoke....and it became so. This is what is known as magic. You have given no explanation that was not chock full of magic.
And why do you continue to lie about my beliefs? I doubt "nothing" ever existed. I am not going to argue the position I do not have.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#117204 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Foolish one , You finally went and did for yourself what you wanted me to do for you...
Moreover , your temper tantrum which led you to say you were going to put me on "IGNORE" was exactly that , a temper tantrum.
Seems you went to the vet and got a distemper shot.
I am not a Scientist.
My belief of ID is based on my belief that " that which does not posses nor is aware of certain properties " natural laws" is somehow able to create those properties , not for itself , but in order to pass them on to what we know as matter.
If you can explain to me , how all that can be made possible , then I will have to rethink my position.
In case you forgot,the properties in question are Lifr, intelligence and consciousness.
BTW If you are going to contact Khatru , MD , CHroe or any of the others in order to bombard me with smokescreens and stinkbombs
Fugedaboutit... I have become immune to them
What I did say was..... If you continue to act like a child and go on these childish rants I will have no choice but to stop communications, I said that in response to 'Your" behavior-not mine. You're the foolish one.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the smokescreen comment, I've not contacted anyone. Are you paranoid by nature, or is it something you've learned?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117205 Nov 16, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
I said it was "duhm"...you said it was false...so, no disagreeing with you on that one!
So the truth is dumb in your world? My statement that you called dumb is counterintuitive. Now is that why you call it dumb? Or are you just still to proud to admit fault? What is dumb about what I said?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117206 Nov 16, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Really???
You post this in one sentence...
"First, that would assume you know all that can be known."
and this in the next...
"Evolution can account for a brain evolving."....
.
Here is something WE know without a doubt...
God is REAL!
That makes ALL of your Assumptions invalid!
When someone claims something cannot happen, it is way more absolute than the claim I made.
Hell, my statement even left a hole to insert your god. "can account" does not even claim it happened.
You fundamentalists could use some lessons on how to use language.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#117207 Nov 16, 2013
I've never stated you were a scientist, if I or anyone did, you then would have a legitimate reason to call me foolish,{laughing my azz off} but you basically agree with the definition that was given for Intelligent Design.

Intelligent design refers to a scientific research program as well as a community of scientists, philosophers and other scholars who seek evidence of design in nature.
In other words.....you only allow data or evidence that supports your predetermined conclusion -- that being that an intelligent agent created everything.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#117208 Nov 16, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Is god of life? If so, then life must have created it, unless you change the rules you just laid out.
Fact is, you have double standards for your version of life starting, so this game is fixed.
At the end of the post that you are responding to , I asked the following;
"Since I know you disagree with my beliefs ,don't just say that they are based on Magic. that is nonsense.
Give me an alternative scenario as to how these events may have occured."
That is the topic and if you care to provide the alternative scenario,you are welcome to do so.
Once you do that , then we can change topics and I will adrress your question.
Your attempt to muddy the waters by changing topics is not going to work.
STICK to the topic at hand....
curious

Ocoee, FL

#117209 Nov 16, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
What I did say was..... If you continue to act like a child and go on these childish rants I will have no choice but to stop communications, I said that in response to 'Your" behavior-not mine. You're the foolish one.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the smokescreen comment, I've not contacted anyone. Are you paranoid by nature, or is it something you've learned?
You had asked my views on ID and I gave them to you
"I am not a Scientist.
My belief of ID is based on my belief that " that which does not posses nor is aware of certain properties " natural laws" is somehow able to create those properties , not for itself , but in order to pass them on to what we know as matter.
If you can explain to me , how all that can be made possible , then I will have to rethink my position."

I do not see where you responded to my request ,instead YOU THREW up another smokescreen by answering that which is totally irrelevant to what you asked me.
Then ,in a futile attempt to cover your(*) you claim not to know anything about smokescreens.
Are you not the one who once claimed that Atheists were intelligent debaters?
Are you now claiming that you are not an Atheist or that you are not intelligent?
Stick to the subject which you brought up , otherwise refrain?
Stop getting your instructions from Duquette ,he uses the same tactics....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#117210 Nov 16, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I've suggested that if you disagreed with what I posted,you or anyone else, that you provide an alternatice explanation as to how those events might have occured.
You ,nor Chroe , Duquetee ,Witchetty,or Lodi ,have been able to do so.
You have limited yourselves to submitting excuses, because, as Atheists , you have no other choice.
You do not have an alternative view to propose, other than to deny by any means and attempt to attribute creation to an accident which you are totally unable and incapable of explaining.
You can only appeal to laws , known and unknown,that may have caused these events.
But we all know that laws are not creators , so that excuse falls into the realm of deaperation , not reality.
Such is the case with the debate held by John lennox and the Atheist Scientist , Peter Atkins , where Atkins , unable to give an explanation for creation by natural means , went as far as to say that, if Science proved unable to demonstrate that creation was caused by natural means, he would still insist that creation does not need an intelligent designer.
Hitchens,as I remember correctly in a debate with William Lane Craig , was given 7 minutes to explain his views on creation by natural means , he forfeited his 7 minutes and did not address the question.
You ,in your foolishness, without any knowledge of the facts , are ignorant enough to claim that my personal experiences with God are a hallucination.
Let me remind you that, it is you Atheists who have claimed to be intelligent and superior debaters,certainly not evidenced by anything any of you have posted.
The bottom line is that you have no explanation as to how nonconsciousness can attain unto consciousness by it's own power,how nonlife can attain life of it's own power and nonintelligence can attain intelligence of it's own power.
Neither can you explain how these events can occur by natural means " natural laws"
Now, one can believe what he wants and can base their beliefs on excuses , wishful thinking and that which is impossible,
I do not have the Faith to base my beliefs on that type of foundation....
God did it, is not anymore an answer than saying it was natural means. You do not supply a god, nor how a god did it.
Did Craig spend seven minutes telling us how god did it? Nope. Did Craig tell us how god came to life?

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