Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 133,437

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#116581 Nov 7, 2013
Sorry, that could just as easily be "gods".

Plural, you see. Not singular.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#116582 Nov 7, 2013
PigBenis wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure I'm picking up what you're laying down here. Are you saying we can't know ethics, etc., without a creator? We are not born with these things. They are aquired through the trials and errors of life. As bad things happen to us, we learn to do the opposite. Even animals become civil after enough civility is shown to them. Show me why a creator is necessary for these things to take place.
No, I'm saying "atheism" is NO excuse for not having any.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#116583 Nov 7, 2013
By Miles Mathis

Atheists always attack theists for being inconsistent, but atheists are wildly inconsistent themselves. For one example, let us consider Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens has been called one of the four horsemen of atheism (along with Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Sam Harris), and knowing him, it is likely a self-naming and self-glorification. Problem is, Hitchens is also famous for saying that
"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either. It happens to be my view, but it doesn't challenge any of the findings of Darwin or Huxley or Einstein or Hawking."

Doesn't it? I suspect that the other three horsemen would have preferred he hadn't said that. Why? Because proof of a superior civilization using the Earth as a dumping ground would be proof of gods, heaven, hell, judgment, and a host of other things. If the Earth is a dumping ground for the unfit, that makes it hell, or very close, and makes the planet of the superior civilization heaven, or very close. It makes the superior civilization a race of gods, since they have powers we do not, are unknown to us, and have long evaded our detection. And to find us unfit, they must judge us, almost as a god does. Since we are born here, not transported bodily here in later life, we are either damned as spirits, which would prove a soul, or we are damned by the lives of our ancestors, which would prove a “sins of the fathers” theory. Regardless, it is clear that Hitchens, no matter his opinion of Christians, has a heavy Biblical residue. Also notice that he believes all this without proof, and without apology for his lack of proof. Clearly, he is allowed to believe what he wants to, while other people can't, even when his beliefs are shadows of theirs. Why he is allowed when they aren't is not so clear, but we may conjecture that it is because he is a loudmouthed bully.

I would also point out that, in his name dropping above, Hitchens has unawares listed four men who were or are not atheists or anti-theists, although his context implies the reverse. All four would agree with my own thesis, and Huxley, the most dogmatic of them, stated that he had “the greatest possible antipathy to all the atheistic and infidel schools.” Einstein, even more famous than Darwin now, is well known for his spiritualism, and he would not have agreed with the crushing cynicism of this quote, much less the drift of Hitchens' greater arguments for atheism or anti-theism.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#116584 Nov 7, 2013
By Miles Davis
But this paper is not about good scientists, it is about bloated atheists and bad scientists, the sort that think they already know how things are. They have barebones models of the early Earth, models less than a century old and ever-changing, and they think they can claim with certainty how things are, who exists and who does not, how things got here and where they are going. They think a theory of how things evolved is equivalent to a theory of how things were created. They think a model of a complex twisting molecule is the same as a blueprint for life or a explanation of self-locomotion or a proof of phylogeny. They think that four-vector fields and non-abelian gauge groups and statistical analysis explain existence, complexity, solidity, and change.
To be specific, let us look first at DNA. The princes of DNA like James Watson are among the ugliest scientists that ever existed.. But let us look at the actual content of his work. DNA is used by the cells as a source of information. It tells them how to build other parts of the cell as well as the greater body of the organism. But if we look closer, we find very great mysteries, ones that are never mentioned. For a start, the DNA strand itself is built and replicated by enzymes. These enzymes can cut the strand as well as move around the sugars and phosphates that make up the strand. Problem is, to do this, the enzymes must have self-locomotion and a sort of intelligence. The DNA tells the cell what to do, but what tells the enzymes what to do? We have a reductio at precisely this point. We are told that the body and cells do what they do because the DNA instructs them to do it, but why and how do the enzymes do what they do? There is no room for a blueprint inside the tiny enzyme. What propels it? Even more to the point, what propels it in the proper direction, at the proper time, to do the proper thing?
, I am just showing that the discovery of DNA is no great step to understanding the origins of life. DNA is just a code, but it takes a sort of intelligence to create a code, another one to replicate it, and a third to decipher it. For this reason, DNA can in no way be a source of intelligence at any level, either cellular or human.
That is why I fail to see how Watson's work as a scientist supports his certainty as an atheist. The discovery of DNA does not even push us a tiny step closer to atheism. A code, any code, is indication of neither theism nor atheism. A code is only a code, and unless some information about gods is encoded directly on the strand, we have proof of nothing. Codes can be manufactured, we know that. Codes may also be natural, although that is only a conjecture at this time. To believe in manufactured codes is easy, since we can manufacture them ourselves. To believe in natural codes is not as easy, since we must be shown how a code can generate itself.
In fact, this is probably the strongest real argument of the theist. The theist states that, intuitively, the self-generated code is impossible to imagine. This intuition is not a proof of course, or even a strong indication, but as a bald postulate, the idea is as solid as any other. How can electrons and protons and mesons and so on, rushing around in gravitational and E/M fields, accidentally stick together or form structures, just as a matter of statistics, forming codes that other accidental conglomerations have a use for? Such a theory is just as fantastic as any other religious assertion, surely. The theist proposes these structures are not accidents, while the atheist demands that they must be. It is fantastic if they are and fantastic if they are not. It is beyond comprehension, proof, or all argument either way. The argument is ultimately beyond all math and logic, because all math and logic must begin with a postulate. This postulate of accident or no accident is the first postulate of all physical theory. It requires an unfounded belief either way.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#116585 Nov 7, 2013
PigBenis wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure I'm picking up what you're laying down here. Are you saying we can't know ethics, etc., without a creator? We are not born with these things. They are aquired through the trials and errors of life. As bad things happen to us, we learn to do the opposite. Even animals become civil after enough civility is shown to them. Show me why a creator is necessary for these things to take place.
Hey Pig , The reason you can't pick up what Sista is laying down is cause it's too heavy for you to comprehend.
Your feeble and nonsencical answer attests to that fact.
Based on your nonfactual opinion ," As bad things happen to us, we learn to do the opposite." one would expect that all inmates ,once released from prison , would become model citizens.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#116586 Nov 7, 2013
lol Miles 'Pantload' Mathis

The internet's most notorious crackpot!

Nothing further need be said
curious

Ocoee, FL

#116587 Nov 7, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm saying "atheism" is NO excuse for not having any.
That is quite a blow you delivered there ,sister.

I dub you the Muhammed Ali of Topix
You ropeadope em ,then float like a butterfly and sting like a bee
dummys

Campbellsville, KY

#116588 Nov 7, 2013
The Bible is fake... Noone should believe in God look how it is going now moo moo
curious

Ocoee, FL

#116589 Nov 7, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
lol Miles 'Pantload' Mathis
The internet's most notorious crackpot!
Nothing further need be said
"Nothing further need be said" is the excuse given by the mentally malnourished when dealing with issues beyond their comprehension.
That is the type of mentality that qualifies one for the ignominious position of Village Idiot
curious

Ocoee, FL

#116590 Nov 7, 2013
dummys wrote:
The Bible is fake... Noone should believe in God look how it is going now moo moo
Hey Lodi ,using your last name"dummys' as your screen moniker was a dead giveaway..
BTW Noone ,not only should ,but DOES believe in God.
Peter Noone of Hernam's Hermits is a Christian

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#116591 Nov 7, 2013
LOL It has suddenly occurred to me that I have such a profound affect on you Curious, that your very thoughts are completely consumed of me. That is why when a poster who is not recognized as a frequent commentator on this thread happens to pop in, you immediately assume it's me in disguise.

Such flattery......

It makes me all warm inside that you think of me this much.
Albeit, you're wrong. But it's still flattering.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#116592 Nov 7, 2013
I beg to differ....only an ignoramus with your mentality qualifies one for the ignominious position of Village Idiot which would explain why you post articles from known crackpots.

It's funny really, you often go into some half-witted tangent about someone being a planters nut reject, yet here you are copying n pasting from a known rejected Nut!

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#116593 Nov 7, 2013
curious wrote:
By Miles Mathis
Miles Mathis?

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Kiser

Richlands, VA

#116594 Nov 7, 2013
I wished Topix would del this forum!

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#116595 Nov 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
"Nothing further need be said" is the excuse given by the mentally malnourished when dealing with issues beyond their comprehension.
That is the type of mentality that qualifies one for the ignominious position of Village Idiot
Ah, there you are.

I asked you why you don't like me pointing out that you ignore what science says in favour of the bible.

You never answered.

Are you embarrassed having such crazy beliefs?

Would you like a hug?

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#116596 Nov 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Lodi ,using your last name"dummys' as your screen moniker was a dead giveaway..
BTW Noone ,not only should ,but DOES believe in God.
Peter Noone of Hernam's Hermits is a Christian
Peter Noone is a christian?

That explains why his music was so bad.

Try some Back Sabbath instead.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#116597 Nov 7, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
I beg to differ....only an ignoramus with your mentality qualifies one for the ignominious position of Village Idiot which would explain why you post articles from known crackpots.
It's funny really, you often go into some half-witted tangent about someone being a planters nut reject, yet here you are copying n pasting from a known rejected Nut!
Anyone who cites Miles Mathis must be a crackpot!

Here are a few examples of the wisdom of Miles:

The Boston Marathon
“The good thing about these recent events is that they are so poorly faked that a lot of people are catching on. If they can keep us talking about three fake people who were fake-killed in Boston or the 27 people who were fake-killed in Sandy Hook, they can keep our eyes off the real tragedies.”

The Alleged Sandy Hook Tragedy
“It is difficult to say what really happened at Sandy Hook, but as with other scripted tragedies, it is becoming easier and easier to say what didn’t happen. The story you are being sold in the mainstream media didn’t happen.”

Why The Trayvon Martin Case Is Not What It Seems
“Even if the initial event happened as we are told (which is doubtful), it looks very much like someone is using the event to create a race war. That someone would be the CIA, working for the elites that control your government. The intelligence agencies are now trying to divert anger and aggression here in the US against the banks, Wall Street, the government, and the other elite policy makers by channeling it into new race wars. If blacks and whites are fighting each other, they forget to fight the elites.”

911 Truth And Obama’s Fake Birth Certificate
“I think pretty much everyone knows that 911 was an inside job. We know that cellphone calls from the planes were faked. We know that video of the planes going into the towers was faked. We know that the 19 hijackers were either made up or were under the protection of the US government. We know that there is no evidence they were on the planes, and that there is much evidence that many of them were not on the planes.”

“The Certificate of Live Birth will turn out to be Obama’s Watergate. Why? Because it is a fake. But it is not just a fake, it is a fake so fake that it will be guaranteed to be found out. Absolutely no one will be fooled. Every last person in the world is figuring out that this is a ham-handed fake (starting with those who know how to use photoshop).”

More to follow....

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#116598 Nov 7, 2013
The wisdom of Miles Mathis - continued...

Proof From NASA That Pi is 4
“NASA is hiding something here. I don’t think Richard Hoagland knows what it is, but he is certainly correct that something is rotten. They can’t admit that &#960; is wrong, because that would make everyone look very stupid. Hoagland may be correct about any number of other things concerning other cover-ups at NASA.”

The Wiki-Mandarins
“Most people don’t seem to know how to find alternative information, so they end up at the big misinformation sites—sites underwritten or owned by big corporations or the government. Many of these sites read as if they have recently been cleaned by the CIA or the FBI or both. In fact, they have. I seriously think that Wikipedia may have been infiltrated by the CIA.”

Censored By Yahoo
“If the Gestapo is trying to silence me, I must be doing something right. A new wave of censorship is just beginning and the major webhosts are of course among the first targets. Given that the USGov wants to quash 911 questions (as the DoD has just admitted), Yahoo and Google and MSN would naturally be the places to start. The only way to avoid the secret police is to have no opinion.”

Physics is Corrupt
“Mainstream physics has predefined anyone who does not immediately accept its pronouncements as a crank and a crackpot. When that method fails, they resort to censorship and outright lies. All ‘science’ now stinks of propaganda.”

Was Physics Taken Over By The Intelligence Communities?
“If the CIA can control the media for decades, it can also control science. So why would the CIA want to control science? I don’t think that is hard to answer. The government doesn’t want private citizens or unsupervised university people discovering anything, because that would be dangerous.”

What Can I Do?
”Avoid CIA mouthpieces like Wikipedia and Google. Don’t even surf there…[Television] programs like CSI and 24 make you mentally ill. These shows could not be more useful to the status quo if they were written by the CIA, and many of them probably are.”

http://milespantloadmathis.wordpress.com/2013...
PigBenis

Batavia, OH

#116599 Nov 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Pig , The reason you can't pick up what Sista is laying down is cause it's too heavy for you to comprehend.
Your feeble and nonsencical answer attests to that fact.
Based on your nonfactual opinion ," As bad things happen to us, we learn to do the opposite." one would expect that all inmates ,once released from prison , would become model citizens.
Talk about feeble answers - you are speaking in paradox. I did not say every living being does the opposite. By yours and Sista's logic, god would be changing every prisoner for the better, though this is obviously not the case. Some people never learn, as the two of you have proven in spades.
PigBenis

Batavia, OH

#116600 Nov 7, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm saying "atheism" is NO excuse for not having any.
At what point did I use atheism as an excuse for not having ethics? Nevermind that I have plenty. Your prejudice is swift and baseless. All atheists are not the same, just as all Christians are not the same. You know me as well as a ten-ton banana.

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