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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142512 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#115720 Oct 28, 2013
amanda wrote:
You do realize that persecution still exists, and that Christians and Jews are being murdered in the middle east right now? Do you think that's justice? A little eye for an eye?
My main issue with people who say the things you are saying is that you seem to believe that Christians living today should be punished for the things that people associated with Christianity did in the past. That it's perfectly fine for a christian to be persecuted for trying to spread thier "ju ju" because some christian did some bad thing some time ago. For some reason, some feel they are dishing out some justice for the sins of the past. Well, let me run this by you: white people enslaved blacks. Therefore, by your logic, it's perfectly okay to persecute those associate with whiteness living today for a crime they never commited. Is that true?
The Christians and Jews are being murdered in the countries where religion has the greatest influence.

In this case, the religion is Islam.

In secular Islamic nations tolerance of other religions is a lot higher.

Rewind many years to when the christian religion held sway in the west and you'll have found the Jews and non-believers being persecuted unto death.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115721 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>

European migration quickly followed and during the British colonial period around 75% of European immigrants followed the British method. Social mobility. Thanks to the Brits, people could arrive in the New World with nothing, and in a few years become a land owner and a voter.
Yup , Those peaceloving Brits will long be remembered as The Good Samatitans of The New World.....NOT....
Britain, the 'nefarious trade' and slavery
Britain followed in the footsteps of the Portuguese in voyaging to the west coast of Africa and enslaving Africans. The British participation in what has come to be called the 'nefarious trade' was begun by Sir John Hawkins with the support and investment of Elizabeth I in 1573.(15) By fair means and foul, Britain outwitted its European rivals and became the premier trader in the enslaved from the seventeenth century onwards, and retained this position till 1807. Britain supplied enslaved African women, men and children to all European colonies in the Americas.

The 'Slave Coast' came to be dotted with European forts, their massive guns facing out to sea to warn off rival European slave traders. Each 'castle' incorporated prisons or 'barracoons' in which the enslaved women, children and men were kept, awaiting purchase by the traders, who could initially only reach the coast at those times of the year when the winds blew in the right direction. The prisons without sanitation, with little air must have been hell-holes in the humid coastal climates. The death rates are not known.

The trade became a very lucrative business. Bristol grew rich on it, then Liverpool. London also dealt in slaves as did some of the smaller British ports.(16) The specialised vessels were built in many British shipyards, but most were constructed in Liverpool. Laden with trade goods (guns and ammunition, rum, metal goods and cloth) they sailed to the 'Slave Coast', exchanged the goods for human beings, packed them into the vessels like sardines and sailed them across the Atlantic. On arrival, those left alive were oiled to make them look healthy and put on the auction block. Again, death rates (during the voyage) are unknown: one estimate, for the 1840s, is 25 per cent.

Plantation and mine-owners bought the Africans and more died in the process called 'seasoning'. In the British colonies the slaves were treated as non-human: they were 'chattels', to be worked to death as it was cheaper to purchase another slave than to keep one alive. Though seen as non-human, as many of the enslaved women were raped, clearly at one level they were recognised as at least rapeable human beings. There was no opprobrium attached to rape, torture, or to beating your slaves to death. The enslaved in the British colonies had no legal rights as they were not human they were not permitted to marry and couples and their children were often sold off separately.

Historian Paul Lovejoy has estimated that between 1701 and 1800 about 40 per cent of the approximately more than 6 million enslaved Africans were transported in British vessels.(It must be noted that this figure is believed by some to be a considerable underestimate.) Lovejoy estimated that well over 2 million more were exported between 1811 and 1867 again, many believe the numbers were much greater.(17)

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115722 Oct 28, 2013
amanda wrote:
<quoted text>
Well thanks for totaly NOT answering the question. But, I guess it wasn't your question to answer.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/campbellsvill...
No, it was yours. You're welcome. It's the least I could do for a member of that oh-so-poor-us-we're-being-pers ecuted group that occupies 90%+ of all government offices and board room seats.
juggalo

United States

#115723 Oct 28, 2013
amanda wrote:
You do realize that persecution still exists, and that Christians and Jews are being murdered in the middle east right now? Do you think that's justice? A little eye for an eye?
My main issue with people who say the things you are saying is that you seem to believe that Christians living today should be punished for the things that people associated with Christianity did in the past. That it's perfectly fine for a christian to be persecuted for trying to spread thier "ju ju" because some christian did some bad thing some time ago. For some reason, some feel they are dishing out some justice for the sins of the past. Well, let me run this by you: white people enslaved blacks. Therefore, by your logic, it's perfectly okay to persecute those associate with whiteness living today for a crime they never commited. Is that true?


i hear ya ...that's like making some rediculous claim like "were all being punished for what adam and eve did" lol ...oh wait ...bad example

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115724 Oct 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup , Those peaceloving Brits will long be remembered as The Good Samatitans of The New World.....NOT....
Britain, the 'nefarious trade' and slavery
Britain followed in the footsteps of the Portuguese in voyaging to the west coast of Africa and enslaving Africans. The British participation in what has come to be called the 'nefarious trade' was begun by Sir John Hawkins with the support and investment of Elizabeth I in 1573.(15) By fair means and foul, Britain outwitted its European rivals and became the premier trader in the enslaved from the seventeenth century onwards, and retained this position till 1807. Britain supplied enslaved African women, men and children to all European colonies in the Americas.
The 'Slave Coast' came to be dotted with European forts, their massive guns facing out to sea to warn off rival European slave traders. Each 'castle' incorporated prisons or 'barracoons' in which the enslaved women, children and men were kept, awaiting purchase by the traders, who could initially only reach the coast at those times of the year when the winds blew in the right direction. The prisons without sanitation, with little air must have been hell-holes in the humid coastal climates. The death rates are not known.
The trade became a very lucrative business. Bristol grew rich on it, then Liverpool. London also dealt in slaves as did some of the smaller British ports.(16) The specialised vessels were built in many British shipyards, but most were constructed in Liverpool. Laden with trade goods (guns and ammunition, rum, metal goods and cloth) they sailed to the 'Slave Coast', exchanged the goods for human beings, packed them into the vessels like sardines and sailed them across the Atlantic. On arrival, those left alive were oiled to make them look healthy and put on the auction block. Again, death rates (during the voyage) are unknown: one estimate, for the 1840s, is 25 per cent.
Plantation and mine-owners bought the Africans and more died in the process called 'seasoning'. In the British colonies the slaves were treated as non-human: they were 'chattels', to be worked to death as it was cheaper to purchase another slave than to keep one alive. Though seen as non-human, as many of the enslaved women were raped, clearly at one level they were recognised as at least rapeable human beings. There was no opprobrium attached to rape, torture, or to beating your slaves to death. The enslaved in the British colonies had no legal rights as they were not human they were not permitted to marry and couples and their children were often sold off separately.
Historian Paul Lovejoy has estimated that between 1701 and 1800 about 40 per cent of the approximately more than 6 million enslaved Africans were transported in British vessels.(It must be noted that this figure is believed by some to be a considerable underestimate.) Lovejoy estimated that well over 2 million more were exported between 1811 and 1867 again, many believe the numbers were much greater.(17)
It's the uber-logic of "I know you are and so am I" defense again, curious? The American pot calling the British kettle black? Tell me, why is the District of Columbia no longer a square?

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Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#115725 Oct 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup , Those peaceloving Brits will long be remembered as The Good Samatitans of The New World.....NOT....
Britain, the 'nefarious trade' and slavery
Britain followed in the footsteps of the Portuguese in voyaging to the west coast of Africa and enslaving Africans. <blah, blah, blah...>
Historian Paul Lovejoy has estimated that between 1701 and 1800 about 40 per cent of the approximately more than 6 million enslaved Africans were transported in British vessels.(It must be noted that this figure is believed by some to be a considerable underestimate.) Lovejoy estimated that well over 2 million more were exported between 1811 and 1867 again, many believe the numbers were much greater.(17)
Yep, good old Christian values.
The babble condones and encourages slavery. It tells you when you can forcable take them (usually after killing all the men), which tribes (any tribe of another faith is fair game, even other Hebrews but you have to treat them better than strangers), and right down to how badly you are allowed to beat them.

Owning another person is wrong, whether it is today, 200 years ago, or 2000 years ago.
It is immoral. But the babble says it is acceptable.
Just one more reason to reject Christianity.
non believer

Roseville, CA

#115726 Oct 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/campbellsvill...
No, it was yours. You're welcome. It's the least I could do for a member of that oh-so-poor-us-we're-being-pers ecuted group that occupies 90%+ of all government offices and board room seats.
They are prosecuted in large numbers ,just saying.

Christians, on the other hand, who make up 81% of the population make up 84% of the prison population.
Known Fact

Somerset, KY

#115727 Oct 28, 2013
Hey fake Known Fact, they have finally made a movie about the JWs.

"TRUTH BE TOLD lifts the veil on the seemingly benign Jehovah's Witnesses religion to expose a profit-driven, isolationist culture characterized by fear, totalitarian corporate leadership, intellectual & spiritual intimidation, suspension of critical thinking, failed prophecies, doctrinal inconsistency and improper handling of physical and sexual abuse allegations within the church. See former Jehovah's Witnesses candidly discuss growing up inside the religion. They reveal experiences including the effects of proselytizing door-to-door, shunning non-observant family and friends, suffering the discouragement of pursuing dreams like gaining a higher education, missing other societal holidays and customs. And more...

http://www.tugg.com/events/6195

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115728 Oct 28, 2013
non believer wrote:
<quoted text>
They are prosecuted in large numbers ,just saying.
Christians, on the other hand, who make up 81% of the population make up 84% of the prison population.
Shiites bomb Sunnis, Hindus attack Buddhists, dogs chase cats, hawks eat snakes and I don't do any of those things. Just sayin'. Hakuna matata
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115729 Oct 28, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, good old Christian values.
The babble condones and encourages slavery. It tells you when you can forcable take them (usually after killing all the men), which tribes (any tribe of another faith is fair game, even other Hebrews but you have to treat them better than strangers), and right down to how badly you are allowed to beat them.
Owning another person is wrong, whether it is today, 200 years ago, or 2000 years ago.
It is immoral. But the babble says it is acceptable.
Just one more reason to reject Christianity.
Yes Witchetty , It is Christians who spearheaded the movements to abolish slavcey in Britain and America.
It is Atheism that enslaved the minds and bodies of it's citizens and brutally murdered them in China, Russia ,Cambodia and Korea.
Known Fact

Somerset, KY

#115730 Oct 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup , Those peaceloving Brits will long be remembered as The Good Samatitans of The New World.....NOT....
Britain, the 'nefarious trade' and slavery
Britain followed in the footsteps of the Portuguese in voyaging to the west coast of Africa and enslaving Africans. The British participation in what has come to be called the 'nefarious trade' was begun by Sir John Hawkins with the support and investment of Elizabeth I in 1573.(15) By fair means and foul, Britain outwitted its European rivals and became the premier trader in the enslaved from the seventeenth century onwards, and retained this position till 1807. Britain supplied enslaved African women, men and children to all European colonies in the Americas.
The 'Slave Coast' came to be dotted with European forts, their massive guns facing out to sea to warn off rival European slave traders. Each 'castle' incorporated prisons or 'barracoons' in which the enslaved women, children and men were kept, awaiting purchase by the traders, who could initially only reach the coast at those times of the year when the winds blew in the right direction. The prisons without sanitation, with little air must have been hell-holes in the humid coastal climates. The death rates are not known.
The trade became a very lucrative business. Bristol grew rich on it, then Liverpool. London also dealt in slaves as did some of the smaller British ports.(16) The specialised vessels were built in many British shipyards, but most were constructed in Liverpool. Laden with trade goods (guns and ammunition, rum, metal goods and cloth) they sailed to the 'Slave Coast', exchanged the goods for human beings, packed them into the vessels like sardines and sailed them across the Atlantic. On arrival, those left alive were oiled to make them look healthy and put on the auction block. Again, death rates (during the voyage) are unknown: one estimate, for the 1840s, is 25 per cent.
Plantation and mine-owners bought the Africans and more died in the process called 'seasoning'. In the British colonies the slaves were treated as non-human: they were 'chattels', to be worked to death as it was cheaper to purchase another slave than to keep one alive. Though seen as non-human, as many of the enslaved women were raped, clearly at one level they were recognised as at least rapeable human beings. There was no opprobrium attached to rape, torture, or to beating your slaves to death. The enslaved in the British colonies had no legal rights as they were not human they were not permitted to marry and couples and their children were often sold off separately.
Historian Paul Lovejoy has estimated that between 1701 and 1800 about 40 per cent of the approximately more than 6 million enslaved Africans were transported in British vessels.(It must be noted that this figure is believed by some to be a considerable underestimate.) Lovejoy estimated that well over 2 million more were exported between 1811 and 1867 again, many believe the numbers were much greater.(17)
And you know what the first slave ship to the America's was called? The Good Jesus. Makes perfect sense to me.
GetIt

Nicholasville, KY

#115731 Oct 28, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
And you know what the first slave ship to the America's was called? The Good Jesus. Makes perfect sense to me.
healthcare.gov 1-800-318-2596

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115732 Oct 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Witchetty , It is Christians who spearheaded the movements to abolish slavcey in Britain and America.
It is Atheism that enslaved the minds and bodies of it's citizens and brutally murdered them in China, Russia ,Cambodia and Korea.
Yes curious, it is the modern Christians who rewrite history to suit their "consciences".
Don't try to claim that the Quakers in any way shared the attitudes of the Southern Baptists.
Personally, I think y'all could have dropped the tit-for-tat about conquistadors, communism, crusades, Nazis, inquisition, socialism, slavery, imperialism/colonialism, etc. a long time ago.
It wasn't atheism that did those things in Asia, and it wasn't Christianity that stole native Americans' lands, broke almost every treaty, slaughtered their food source and infected them with western European diseases. It was simply questing for acquisition and power over others. Not religion, not politics. Nothing more or less mysterious than human avarice and questing for domination and control, against which religions of any flavor have proven to be rather poor vaccines.
non believer

Roseville, CA

#115733 Oct 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Witchetty , It is Christians who spearheaded the movements to abolish slavcey in Britain and America.
It is Atheism that enslaved the minds and bodies of it's citizens and brutally murdered them in China, Russia ,Cambodia and Korea.
You choose to be a slave. Why cannot one choose to be secular and atheist. Are you trying to take away our freewill?

James:1
I, James, am a slave of God and the Master Jesus.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#115734 Oct 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Shiites bomb Sunnis, Hindus attack Buddhists, dogs chase cats, hawks eat snakes and I don't do any of those things. Just sayin'. Hakuna matata
Snake is really good though...

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Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#115735 Oct 28, 2013
GetIt wrote:
<quoted text> healthcare.gov 1-800-318-2596
You left out "Or Else!!" That's 1-800=F(1)UCK-YO

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115736 Oct 28, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Snake is really good though...
Uh-huh. If it tastes like chicken, I'll just have the chicken. Let me know when it's on sale at Kroger and I might buy you a pound or two.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115737 Oct 28, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You left out "Or Else!!" That's 1-800=F(1)UCK-YO
Whatever, YaA.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#115738 Oct 28, 2013
non believer wrote:
<quoted text>
You choose to be a slave. Why cannot one choose to be secular and atheist. Are you trying to take away our freewill?
James:1
I, James, am a slave of God and the Master Jesus.
Hi friend,
Did you move?

They can take our street corners for churches but they can never take our freewill.

Freeeeeewill.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#115740 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
You've already explained how you believe the universe must have been created by something.
However, that reckoning of yours doesn't limit the creator to just one cosmic mega-being.
For all you know there could have been 50 deities working together to make the universe.
But.....there can be only one.

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