Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 133,213

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#115398 Oct 24, 2013
curious wrote:
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It is obvious,at least to me , that your miguided ability to reason,is the result of your broom leading you into a collision with a brick wall.
When you have time and have gathered your wits,if you can give me your views as to how it is possible for nonintelligent,nonliving and nonconscious matter to attain the properties of life,intelligence and consciousness , by natural means.
I've told you before. It's simple but you can't wrap your mind around it.

The answer is TIME.
Given enough Time anything and everything can and will happen.

Maybe even that barbaric "god" thing you rant about...but it's just not too likely.
MyMy

Jamestown, KY

#115399 Oct 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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I've told you before. It's simple but you can't wrap your mind around it.
The answer is TIME.
Given enough Time anything and everything can and will happen.
Maybe even that barbaric "god" thing you rant about...but it's just not too likely.
And the Evil still laugh at God.
Only a fool mocks (to treat with ridicule or contempt) God.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115400 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Are you claiming that the bible is the error-free work of a cosmic mega-being?
What about all the other error-free books written by the same cosmic mega-being that people of other faiths adhere to?
I have yet to see even one book-that is "perfect".

Probably because there's NO SUCH THING as "perfect".
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115401 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I know - you don't have to tell me. It's plain to see that you base your faith on the prevailing religion in your country.
Also, the writings of Copernicus were far more accurate and relevant than the inane hate-filled rants of Martin Luther
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Neither is there any evidence to support your beliefs that a bunch of supreme cosmic mega-beings banded together and created the whole shebang.
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It's far more likely than the abracadbra method
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No doubt your ancestors said exactly the same thing about volcanoes, lightning, tornadoes, etc.
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Science adjusts itself to newer and more accurate observations while building on what has gone before. Neither is it afraid to junk.
Religion claims absolute truths and attempts to subvert new evidence that undermines its superstitions. We've all seen the consequence of that when so many believers insisting that all those who believe other things are evil.
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You're trying to shape reality to what you want it to be.
Religion has no evidence, merely unsupported claims. In the final analysis, religion provides no answers that can actually be documented.
Contrast that failure with the unparalleled success rate of science which regularly provides real and tangible explanations.
I don't have to tell you and you donot know the basis for my faith.
Moreover , that is not the issue being discussed. It is your tactic
for injecting nonsense into a topic that you are cerebrally unable to cope with.
In addition , neither Copernicus nor Martin Luther have anything to do with said topic , they are not relevant to the topic at hand.
That you are dragging them into the conversation is obviously a smokescreen .
You further compound your incoherency by attributing statements to me that are a figment of your imagination and I never made.

"Neither is there any evidence to support your beliefs that a bunch of supreme cosmic mega-beings banded together and created the whole shebang"

The Abracadabra magical chant can well be applied to the ludicrous , incomprehensible ,illogical and devoid of intellect opinion that that which is nonliving ,nonconscious and nonintelligent can by some magical formula, create intelligent and conscious life.
You need more than incredible faith to reach that conclusion.
You need to have overdozed on super strength foolishness.
On the other hand , one can arrive at the belief that a supreme being who has within himself the properties of life,intelligence and consciousness would have the ability to create intelligent , conscious life.

Science does not have the ability to prove or disprove God's existence.
Neither does it have the ability to create intelligent conscious life.
Neither can it prove or demonstrate how it is possible that the above mentioned non properties contained in Matter can be transferred by natural means in order to create a living ,conscious intelligent being.
Those who subscribe to the opinion that life does not need an intelligent creator are unable and incapable to justify their opinion.
If you have a theory that is viable in explaining how this opinion you hold is valid , let me know.
No excuses are accepted . Such as , Given time , Science may be able to explain it,
It happened as a result of an accident in the distant past , to which there are no witnesses , no records and no one mentions in any book.
In effect , Science has failed in it's attempts to create life
and has no idea as to how this event may have occured.
So,
If you are unequipped to deal with the issue at hand ,do not add to your confusion by throwing up any more fallacious smokescreens.
Same goes for Witchetty ,Chroe and Dukette
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115402 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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A few posts back, she was talking about the Golden Rule as a measure of good ethics.
However, reading the bible and counting up the millions of deaths caused by its god and his followers, it's easy to see that the bible is no place for the Golden Rule.
The Golden Rule is found entwined through out MANY BELIEFS...except those based upon HATE.

Redundancy AGAIN-already been there, covered that.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115403 Oct 24, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Who was admonished for casting stones - was it the heathens or was it the temple goers?
As a building material, I'll opt for the boulders of reason that have been investigated, observedand tested, not the sandstones of superstition that have been hacked, glued and whitewashed to distantly resemble marble and granite.
I don't blame you, nothing worse than fake and phoney, trying to pretend to be rational and reasonable.
SistaNoneYa

London, KY

#115404 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Christians will always attempt to disown the OT when it suits them.
Yet, they're extremely reluctant to tear out its pages from their bibles.
Why ruin a whole book with OTHER redemptive qualities, over bad apple pages?

Only lunacy would do that.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115405 Oct 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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I've told you before. It's simple but you can't wrap your mind around it.
The answer is TIME.
Given enough Time anything and everything can and will happen.
Maybe even that barbaric "god" thing you rant about...but it's just not too likely.
Your Faith and HOPE that time will provide an answer is not based on reason and logic,,,,but on foolishness

BTW Are you coming by on Halloween ?
I have a stray cat and an old broom I need to get rid off
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115406 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Unfortunately. you're now unable to disagree with people who have different world views without wishing them to suffer eternal torture.
You still throwing up smokescreens?
Your unintelligent remarks do not surprise me.
I have never wished any one eternal torture.
If that happens to you , it will not be because I wished it.
it will be based on the lifestyle you have chosen ,over which I do not have,nor do I desire any control.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115407 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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So you accept that you may be wrong in your beliefs?
I BELIEVE and have seen not a shred of evidence that would lead me to question my beliefs.

Moreover The incoherent ,illogical and nonsensical postings of Atheists have served to further strengthen my beliefs.
For that , I thank you and the how many others legitimately there might be.
Tell UMM I said hi

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115408 Oct 24, 2013
MyMy wrote:
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And the Evil still laugh at God.
Only a fool mocks (to treat with ridicule or contempt) God.
Why do the most vocal of Christians keep saying stuff like this - as though mocking the human livestock is the same as mocking a deity? Earth to fundie... You are not God
curious

Ocoee, FL

#115409 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Imagine we had a book full of good ethics and morals.
Well ,The fact is that Atheists do not have and have never produced a book full of good ethics and morals.
Their moral code is based on each individuals interpretation of right and wrong based on their desires.Kinda like do whatever turns you on,,,Hippie style.

That is why Witchetty proudly claimed that she has never done anything for which she need feel ashamed.
I assume that if the Pope ever becane aware of her statements
he would either have her cannonized as a saint or cannonaded as a heretic.

Since: Oct 13

Lexington, KY

#115410 Oct 24, 2013
I believe in Jesus and his words are true, and as Christians we have experienced unwarranted hatred discussing this topic.

Christ has already told us and we know that we are chosen out of the world and the world hates us.

No mater what unbelievers say, there is no one that can ever come close to Jesus Christ's understanding and encouragement to those who love him.

He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet the world did not know him. He came to what was his own, and his own people did not accept He was in the world, and the world came into being through him; yet the world did not know him.

He came to what was his own, and his own people did not accept him. But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God, who were born, not of blood or of the will of the flesh or of the will of man, but of God.
Found in the book of John in the Bible

‘If the world hates you, be aware that it hated me before it hated you. If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own. Because you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world—therefore the world hates you.
Remember the word that I said to you,“Servants are not greater than their master.”

If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also. But they will do all these things to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me.

If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not have sin.

But now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. It was to fulfil the word that is written in their law,“They hated me without a cause.”
Found in the book of John in the Bible

After Jesus had spoken these words, he looked up to heaven and said,‘Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son so that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all people, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him.

And this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth by finishing the work that you gave me to do. So now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your presence before the world existed.
Found in the book of John

Because you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world—therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you,“Servants are not greater than their master.” If they persecuted me, they will persecute you; if they kept my word, they will keep yours also.

But they will do all these things to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin.

Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not have sin. But now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. It was to fulfil the word that is written in their law,“They hated me without a cause.”
Found in the book of John in the Bible

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#115412 Oct 24, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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I have yet to see even one book-that is "perfect".
Probably because there's NO SUCH THING as "perfect".
Books written and inspired by men are certainly not perfect.

However, given that millions of christians keep banging on about how their god is perfect, you'd expect that the book he wrote/inspired would also be perfect. It's not.

Nice to know you agree that the bible isn't perfect - kudos to you for that.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#115413 Oct 24, 2013
curious wrote:
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Your Faith and HOPE that time will provide an answer is not based on reason and logic,,,,but on foolishness
I am not waiting for an answer.
It does not require faith or hope.
TIME IS the answer.
You just can't figure that out, can you?

Let's see if I can make it simple for you.

During your lifetime, you will do a certain number of activities.
You will eat X number of meals, sleep X number of times, drive a car, go to work, arrive home, kiss a man/woman, fall in love, fall out of love, smell a flower, hear a symphony, admire a sunset....
ALL only X number of times in your limited lifespan.

But, if you lived twice as long, you could do all those things and even more...because you have the TIME to do them.

Now, if your lifespan were billions upon billions of years, how many more opportunities are available to you?

And, if your lifespan were virtually infinite?
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING become possible.

The universe has had more TIME than you can imagine.
There is always change. Nothing is static.

An "unchanging" god? Not bloody likely.

Since: Oct 13

Lexington, KY

#115414 Oct 24, 2013
If you have faith to believe you'll know of him but we do not have a wayward mind that hasn't come to the full knowledge of Christ like unbelievers but we know the reality of living in truth, love and peace.

The unsaved cling to their little scrap of so called reality that they can touch, see or feel to understand and they only know of this world but it is passing away.

Jesus is very real and so is God and the Holy Spirit, he is working in the hearts of believers all the time. We are Spiritually growing closer to God and Jesus in the Holy Spirit learning how to live in truth and not accepting the worlds lies by living only as to our carnal ways.

We don't close our minds to what we see but we accept the truth and live in it which in fact the unsaved close their hearts to know of themselves. We knew the life unbelievers lived but we turned from sin and no longer want to live like that any more.

We just no long want to live unfruitful and unfulfilling lives for the world to love us but we want to please God and we reap the reward of living happy and fruitful lives while doing it.

If you ever smoked cigarettes and then you quit you'd find that being around someone smoking and smelling that cigarette smell is sickening and you'd want to get away from it.

Well sin is like that for a believer and if you could imagine how those Angels who went to Sodom and Gomorrah felt when all the city was committing horrible sexual acts in front of them and people tried to get them involved too but they turned away from them and brought Lot out.

If you can understand their horror in what happened to the Angels and Lot, then maybe you can see our horror as Christians we are witnessing the unsaved of this fallen world putting down God and justifying it as the so called reality then saying they want us to join in with them. All the while evil is wrongly accepted and bondage to sin that unbelievers corrupt themselves with is normal.

We say No very surely to being a part of a sinful world and we try to help to save those who would believe in Jesus like the Angels saved Lot by leading him out of the sinful city by telling them of Jesus.

Since: Oct 13

Lexington, KY

#115415 Oct 24, 2013
1. God loves you and has a plan for you!
The Bible says,“God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son,[Jesus Christ], that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life”(John)

Jesus said,“I came that they may have life and have it abundantly”— a complete life full of purpose (John)

But here’s the problem:

2. Man is sinful and separated from God.
We have all done, thought or said bad things, which the Bible calls “sin.” The Bible says,“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”(Romans)

The result of sin is death, spiritual separation from God (Romans)

The good news?

3. God sent His Son to die for your sins!
Jesus died in our place so we could live with Him in eternity.

“God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us”(Romans)

But it didn’t end with His death on the cross. He rose again and still lives!

“Christ died for our sins.… He was buried.… He was raised on the third day, according to the Scriptures.”(1 Corinthians)

Jesus is the only way to God.

Jesus said,“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me”(John)

4. Would you like to receive God’s forgiveness?
We can’t earn salvation; we are saved by God’s grace when we have faith in His Son, Jesus Christ. All you have to do is believe you are a sinner, that Christ died for your sins, and ask His forgiveness. He knows you and loves you. What matters to Him is the attitude of your heart, your honesty. We suggest praying the following prayer to accept Christ as your Savior:

“Dear Lord Jesus,

I know I am a sinner, and I ask for your forgiveness. I believe you died for my sins and rose from the dead. I trust and follow you as my Lord and Savior. Guide my life and help me to do your will.

In your name, amen.”

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#115417 Oct 25, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
1. God loves you and has a plan for you!
<editted for nonsense> amen.”
You are so well programed.
Have you ever had an independant thought?

There is no "god" and there is no "plan."
There is only this life and you are cringing in fear instead of living.

The "good news?" Yes, it is that we are not primitive superstitious goatherders. We know what causes thunder and lightning and it's not
some angry imaginary being.
There is no need to invent answers so we are not afraid of the dark.
The time for invisible friends is over.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115418 Oct 25, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Well ,The fact is that Atheists do not have and have never produced a book full of good ethics and morals.
Their moral code is based on each individuals interpretation of right and wrong based on their desires.Kinda like do whatever turns you on,,,Hippie style.
That is why Witchetty proudly claimed that she has never done anything for which she need feel ashamed.
I assume that if the Pope ever becane aware of her statements
he would either have her cannonized as a saint or cannonaded as a heretic.
I assume that if the Pope ever became aware of WitW actual statement, he wouldn't feel some insecure need to sarcastically twist it around.
curiousity

Staffordsville, KY

#115419 Oct 25, 2013
I have read through some of these posts. God's word says to go out and preach the gospel. As a Christian I do just that. I spread what I know about Jesus. But I want each person that reads this to know, that whatever your view is I love you! Because God's greatest gift is love! And I pray for each one that reads my post. I love The Lord and I will continue to let His light shine thru my life! God Bless each of you and may you find peace in your hearts!

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