Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 177525 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115387 Oct 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If it were true, why can you know prove it? It is simply a slogan of hate, straight from your hateful Jesus. It is demonizing a group of people due to their religious beliefs.
Sista hate those sort of people, but strangely cannot see this Jesus or the bible as being bigoted.
Nicely put.

The holy book of the christians even contains instructions to kill people.

Can't you just feel the love?

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115388 Oct 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I have never seen you denounce the old testament, and you really did not even do it here. So I am not sure why you would think I should understand you denounce Moses' actions on the day he presented the ten or so commandments? You have yet to denounce the action. You skate around it as if you are scared of something.
I am obsessed with it, because it is entirely relevant to the topic of this thread. But for some reason you theists run from the meat of subjects that matter.
The old testament is part of the bible, and if it is to be taught in public schools, it needs to noted it promotes killing non believers. It promotes killing non believers more than once. It very directly instructs one to kill non believers, and even details how to destroy all their belongings.
A few posts back, she was talking about the Golden Rule as a measure of good ethics.

However, reading the bible and counting up the millions of deaths caused by its god and his followers, it's easy to see that the bible is no place for the Golden Rule.
Not just a theory

Elizabethtown, KY

#115389 Oct 24, 2013
A scientific law is an observed physical phenomenon that always occurs. I.e. things fall down, things at rest tend to stay at rest, or offspring are different from their parents. These are scientific laws. Note that there is absolutely no explanation for any of these events within the law, only a description of the observation. The explanation is the theory: in this case, the theories of gravity, inertia and evolution.

There is indeed a "law" of evolution, and that is that the genetic composition of a population changes over time (offspring are different than their parents). Every piece of evidence gathered so far from a wide variety of fields has supported the theory of evolution as the explanation for this observed 'law'. There is no point at which a theory somehow graduates to become a law. A theory is either upheld (as evolution has been, time and time again), or it is discarded (as spontaneous generation was).

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115390 Oct 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, and I agree with part of your statement. I agree the mass murderers such as Hitler, Mussolini, Ceasar, and Ghangus Khan should be side by side with Moses in the line up of the worst mass murderers in known history.
And it is fine to teach that Moses was a mass murderer. But the bible claims it was a good think to kill in mass due to ones religious beliefs.
Being a christian means defending genocide and infanticide. It means that they approve of the murder of homosexuals, as well as anyone who wishes to exercise religious freedom.
Not just a theory

Elizabethtown, KY

#115391 Oct 24, 2013
Your religion will not be taught in public schools.

Even if you disguise your religion by taking evolution, adding God, and renaming it intelligent design.

This is science. If you want YOUR children to learn about your bronze age belief system, you are free to teach them, or send them to a PRIVATE school.

Your religion will NOT be taught in public schools, no matter how much you cry about it on topix.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115392 Oct 24, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
The point you all seem NOT to get, is that casting stones at others-especially when EVERYONE has backyards full of boulders...is NOT representative of any signs of any actual intelligence, let alone ethics or decency.
I agree with ya on the structure thing though.
Unstable and dysfunctional is unstable and dysfunctional.
But then I've known that for YEARS.
Who was admonished for casting stones - was it the heathens or was it the temple goers?
As a building material, I'll opt for the boulders of reason that have been investigated, observedand tested, not the sandstones of superstition that have been hacked, glued and whitewashed to distantly resemble marble and granite.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115393 Oct 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So all the statement you made about the bible being good, or not demonizing entire groups of people due to what they believe in a religious sense, are we to always assume you do not include the Old Testament? Even though I just posted a passage that Jesus supposedly spoke about non believers all being fools and evildoers?
Pal, no matter if you try to shy away from parts of the bible, it is all to filled with hate and wrong for you to escape.
Imagine we had a book full of good ethics and morals. Imagine that book was so good that we held it up as a shining example of brotherly love, tolerance and understanding.

What would it take to make that book worthless?

How about glorifying murder and genocide?

That's exactly what the bible does.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115394 Oct 24, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists stake their faith on the misguided opinion that the Universe and life as we know it was not created by Intelligent design.
That God does not exist. If God is not the creator , then something or someone else is.
Who is that something or someone else?
Is it matter and energy?
I have addressed that issue in my other postings.
It seems that no one can answer that question.
I have provided my belief as to why I believe God is the creator,
along with my reasons why I hold those beliefs.
So far , no one has addressed that issue.
Some have provided very evasive responses that in no way shape or form address the issue in question....
In my view ,if one does not know the answer to that question , then it is senseless to claim that "I don't know how it happened , but I know it was not God"
Unfortunately. you're now unable to disagree with people who have different world views without wishing them to suffer eternal torture.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115395 Oct 24, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow wee, Such anger ,vitriol , uncouthness and nonsencical
allegations are not worthy of a dignified reply,,,So ,,,I will not
attempt one.
Intolerant ,hate filled and foolish are some of my better qualities
when I am in a good mood.You should hear me when I am angry ,as you are right now.
Your description of me as being unhinged reminded me that I have to
adjust the front door,,,Thank you...
Chill out Chroe ,deal with the topic in question ,without becoming mentally discombobulated.
When you can muster a dignified reply, I shall mark the calendar.
I'd addressed 'the topic in question' thousands of posts ago, but I've yet to see you form a coherent opinion on it.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115396 Oct 24, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
No one has said that you worship Moses. The point you seem to be remiss in grasping is that the OT is the foundation of the NT, and that when a house is built on mire, muck, shifting sands and faults, the structure is doomed.
Christians will always attempt to disown the OT when it suits them.

Yet, they're extremely reluctant to tear out its pages from their bibles.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115397 Oct 24, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Nowhere have I stated that I KNOW , I have stated that I BELIEVE.
It is difficult to be a deep thinker when confronted with your shallow responses ,among them that I have demabded that you must believe in my God.
By using evasive tactics you and Chroe have avoided dealing with the question at hand......
So you accept that you may be wrong in your beliefs?

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#115398 Oct 24, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
It is obvious,at least to me , that your miguided ability to reason,is the result of your broom leading you into a collision with a brick wall.
When you have time and have gathered your wits,if you can give me your views as to how it is possible for nonintelligent,nonliving and nonconscious matter to attain the properties of life,intelligence and consciousness , by natural means.
I've told you before. It's simple but you can't wrap your mind around it.

The answer is TIME.
Given enough Time anything and everything can and will happen.

Maybe even that barbaric "god" thing you rant about...but it's just not too likely.
MyMy

Jamestown, KY

#115399 Oct 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
I've told you before. It's simple but you can't wrap your mind around it.
The answer is TIME.
Given enough Time anything and everything can and will happen.
Maybe even that barbaric "god" thing you rant about...but it's just not too likely.
And the Evil still laugh at God.
Only a fool mocks (to treat with ridicule or contempt) God.
SistaNoneYa

Brodhead, KY

#115400 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you claiming that the bible is the error-free work of a cosmic mega-being?
What about all the other error-free books written by the same cosmic mega-being that people of other faiths adhere to?
I have yet to see even one book-that is "perfect".

Probably because there's NO SUCH THING as "perfect".
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115401 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I know - you don't have to tell me. It's plain to see that you base your faith on the prevailing religion in your country.
Also, the writings of Copernicus were far more accurate and relevant than the inane hate-filled rants of Martin Luther
<quoted text>
Neither is there any evidence to support your beliefs that a bunch of supreme cosmic mega-beings banded together and created the whole shebang.
<quoted text>
It's far more likely than the abracadbra method
<quoted text>
No doubt your ancestors said exactly the same thing about volcanoes, lightning, tornadoes, etc.
<quoted text>
Science adjusts itself to newer and more accurate observations while building on what has gone before. Neither is it afraid to junk.
Religion claims absolute truths and attempts to subvert new evidence that undermines its superstitions. We've all seen the consequence of that when so many believers insisting that all those who believe other things are evil.
<quoted text>
You're trying to shape reality to what you want it to be.
Religion has no evidence, merely unsupported claims. In the final analysis, religion provides no answers that can actually be documented.
Contrast that failure with the unparalleled success rate of science which regularly provides real and tangible explanations.
I don't have to tell you and you donot know the basis for my faith.
Moreover , that is not the issue being discussed. It is your tactic
for injecting nonsense into a topic that you are cerebrally unable to cope with.
In addition , neither Copernicus nor Martin Luther have anything to do with said topic , they are not relevant to the topic at hand.
That you are dragging them into the conversation is obviously a smokescreen .
You further compound your incoherency by attributing statements to me that are a figment of your imagination and I never made.

"Neither is there any evidence to support your beliefs that a bunch of supreme cosmic mega-beings banded together and created the whole shebang"

The Abracadabra magical chant can well be applied to the ludicrous , incomprehensible ,illogical and devoid of intellect opinion that that which is nonliving ,nonconscious and nonintelligent can by some magical formula, create intelligent and conscious life.
You need more than incredible faith to reach that conclusion.
You need to have overdozed on super strength foolishness.
On the other hand , one can arrive at the belief that a supreme being who has within himself the properties of life,intelligence and consciousness would have the ability to create intelligent , conscious life.

Science does not have the ability to prove or disprove God's existence.
Neither does it have the ability to create intelligent conscious life.
Neither can it prove or demonstrate how it is possible that the above mentioned non properties contained in Matter can be transferred by natural means in order to create a living ,conscious intelligent being.
Those who subscribe to the opinion that life does not need an intelligent creator are unable and incapable to justify their opinion.
If you have a theory that is viable in explaining how this opinion you hold is valid , let me know.
No excuses are accepted . Such as , Given time , Science may be able to explain it,
It happened as a result of an accident in the distant past , to which there are no witnesses , no records and no one mentions in any book.
In effect , Science has failed in it's attempts to create life
and has no idea as to how this event may have occured.
So,
If you are unequipped to deal with the issue at hand ,do not add to your confusion by throwing up any more fallacious smokescreens.
Same goes for Witchetty ,Chroe and Dukette
SistaNoneYa

Brodhead, KY

#115402 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
A few posts back, she was talking about the Golden Rule as a measure of good ethics.
However, reading the bible and counting up the millions of deaths caused by its god and his followers, it's easy to see that the bible is no place for the Golden Rule.
The Golden Rule is found entwined through out MANY BELIEFS...except those based upon HATE.

Redundancy AGAIN-already been there, covered that.
SistaNoneYa

Brodhead, KY

#115403 Oct 24, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Who was admonished for casting stones - was it the heathens or was it the temple goers?
As a building material, I'll opt for the boulders of reason that have been investigated, observedand tested, not the sandstones of superstition that have been hacked, glued and whitewashed to distantly resemble marble and granite.
I don't blame you, nothing worse than fake and phoney, trying to pretend to be rational and reasonable.
SistaNoneYa

Brodhead, KY

#115404 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians will always attempt to disown the OT when it suits them.
Yet, they're extremely reluctant to tear out its pages from their bibles.
Why ruin a whole book with OTHER redemptive qualities, over bad apple pages?

Only lunacy would do that.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115405 Oct 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
I've told you before. It's simple but you can't wrap your mind around it.
The answer is TIME.
Given enough Time anything and everything can and will happen.
Maybe even that barbaric "god" thing you rant about...but it's just not too likely.
Your Faith and HOPE that time will provide an answer is not based on reason and logic,,,,but on foolishness

BTW Are you coming by on Halloween ?
I have a stray cat and an old broom I need to get rid off
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115406 Oct 24, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately. you're now unable to disagree with people who have different world views without wishing them to suffer eternal torture.
You still throwing up smokescreens?
Your unintelligent remarks do not surprise me.
I have never wished any one eternal torture.
If that happens to you , it will not be because I wished it.
it will be based on the lifestyle you have chosen ,over which I do not have,nor do I desire any control.

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