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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 163879 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Jeffersonville, IN

#115111 Oct 20, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
<quoted text>I don't much like debate as much as I like uplifting and encouraging Christian discussion as debate in somewhat self centered and one sided but discussion is open ended and inclusive.
Thats the way that all good Christians should behave. You must be a good person in real life too. Thank you for your nice and polite remarks on here. They're refreshing to be sure.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115112 Oct 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
STILL waiting for that discourse on violating Newton's Second Law of Thermodynamics, YaA. "God is real! He saved me!" is not germane to the subject.
Benjamin Thompson in 1797... Not Newton!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115113 Oct 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see now. If you believe the bible when it says that creation took six days - it follows that you also believe the bible when it says that Pi = 3
Of course, we all know that the bible got that little detail wrong. Question is - do you?
No doubt you also believe that despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the universe is only 6,000 years old.
Closer to 3, than 4! So they dropped a decimal point...
You dropped your soul!
God is real, and IF you think He couldn't spread out the Heavens like a blanket in a day... you'd be wrong!
What you probably hate most is...
The Bible spoke of you... thousands of years ago, AND
it is Spot on!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115114 Oct 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And you can breed wolves down to dogs. They are categories that we humans put them into. It is called language. They are different, but have similarities. At some point the category may change.
Now if you looked at the fossil record, it looks like the breeding made for some dramatic changes over the course of millions of years. You can breed for dogs for a human lifetime and make some dramatic changes, but if you spent ten million years breeding, imagine the amount of change. It would look like the fossil record. The fossils match the predictions. Or maybe your god just made it look this way so we could have something to debate to pass our time.
Conjecture... Pure n simple!
Knowing God is real... blows you out of the water!
How do you date the fossil record...
You look at the geologic column!
How do you date the geologic column...
You look at the fossils in them!
The Great flood blows that out of the water... so to speak!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115115 Oct 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The only "knowing" of a god is through religion.
If their was a real god, I would imagine the god would need no religion to communicate for him. He could use magic.
But you keep insisting we need the bible. When you contradict yourself, you make your claims look false. You do it constantly, as do most every Christian I have ever spoken too.
Crock!
For future reference...
When you something idiotic, something you have no clue about...
Like God, instead of typing something back to you...
just know that I'm thinking something about you, but mostly
I wish your eyes to be opened to the truth!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115116 Oct 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Er, no.
Your god gave us abortion.
Every stillbirth is one of your god's abortions. I know the rate varies around the world but over here around 1 in every 200 babies are stillborn.
That makes the christian god the biggest abortionist of them all.
How many pregnancies were terminated by your god when he drowned the earth?
Don't you guys believe that everything that happens is pre-determined by your god?
That means every abortion happens because he made it happen.
What's my view?
Abortion is a subject that certainly seems to polarise people.
I find it hard to be black and white over this. I think I'm more about greys.
Is a foetus a living human being? Does it have a conscience? Who knows? Maybe an egg/sperm are also part of the development process. Does that mean that birth control is murder? It might sound ridiculous but how do you know for sure?
Would you force a woman who was raped and impregnated by her father, or a woman whose heart would blow out during labour, to deliver those babies? Wouldn't you think that abortion is justifiable or are there no circumstances in your view where an abortion is justifiable?
"Abortion" is one of those words we have used so frequently that I sometimes wonder whether it's lost its meaning. Perhaps it's a euphemism for some kind of "right" or political "cause" instead of being the very private thing that it is.
I do think that it's lost its power to suggest what it means, the cessation of a life. I don't believe in a soul but there is living tissue and unlike a cancer which will reproduce one type of cell in the wrong place, the human embryo has only one destiny...to become a human being that will become a benefit or a liability to its society.
So........I really think it's impossible to have a satisfactory answer to the abortion issue.
I'm no fan of killing and I don't think we can be certain that any foetus under a certain number of weeks old isn't alive.
Having said that, I also feel that a woman's body is her own and if she feels it in her best interests to have an abortion then she should be provided with safe, supportive and non-judgmental advice and guidance. This, of course, means leaving spiritual "guidance" out of it. Well, for those that don't want spiritual guidance, anyway.
A woman's body is her own... for sure!
She used it in humping around, and hooking up, un-married, throwing the only gift to her husband, you cannot re-wrap out the window!
Life begins at conception, and mitosis starts!
If we'd teach our children to save them selves for Marriage...
there'd be a lot less abortions!

You guys jump on this slavery band wagon, even though it's NOT the slavery of the last century...
You consider not, that MOST abortion clinics are in minority neighborhoods... I guess killing blacks, and Hispanics are ok with you communist types!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115117 Oct 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Strange how the verses you quote are few in number compared to mine.
A husband saying he is better than his wife at maths might well be a statement of fact.
A husband saying that he is the head of the family, that his wife does not have the same rights as he does, is unclean at certain times of the month, and if she has the temerity to have had a sex life before their marriage (or has otherwise lost her hymen) then he can have her killed....that would be chauvinism (at the very least).
All this makes perfect sense from a historical/cultural point of view.
It makes zero sense from the point of view that god had anything to with the Bible.
He "inspired" a book which while dwelling heavily on what to do with rogue oxen and metallic bovines, failed to mention penicillin and prohibit in certain terms ownership of other people. God found time to mention jealousy (while proudly claiming that sin for himself), but seemingly forgot to ban rape.
He designed women with a hymen, which is a thing that can tear under many circumstances...but allowed a society to flourish which would kill a woman for not having that sign of virginity.
Note that this need for virginity was neither wanted nor needed for menfolk.
Again, all this makes sense from a historical viewpoint. But it is laughably transparent that no omnipotent creator was anywhere near the Bible, at any point.
I don't see how the believer can have things both ways.
Either the Bible is simply a collection of writings from a brutal people living in a brutal time, and as such is a fascinating insight into our human history, or it is the work of a cruel and spiteful god who had a real downer on the women of the species.
"unclean at certain times of the month"
I guess you do not grow a garden, or can food where you're from?
"virginity was neither wanted nor needed"???
Really???
What if you went to pick up your new car, and found the fender dented, and the paint scratched???

In those days, when someone presented something as Un-used, and it wasn't... you were dishonest...
today, they make you President!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115118 Oct 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I take your point - it's valid and makes perfect sense to me.
The point I was making is that YaA takes the bible literally.
If he says the world was created in six days then he must also accept that Pi = 3
Which, of course, puts him in a bit of a spot.
The only spot I'm in, is
Trying to keep you, and others from entering the WIDE gate of destruction!
Enter if you must, but remember... people have tried!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115119 Oct 21, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't hold your breath.
And thanks I agree "there are no gods".
I thought you were out of here?
Your posting proves otherwise!
Thanks again!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#115120 Oct 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
As a Christian you're practically a Muslim.
Fact: Christians and Muslims believe in an invisible sky pixie.
Fact: Both Christianity's and Islam's holy books contain many of the same myths and mythological characters.
Fact: Both Christians and Muslims believe in a load of crazy rituals that amount to so much superstitious mumbo jumbo.
Fact: If you already believe in one lot of ancient superstition, it won't be difficult for you to convert to another.
Hell, you're just a camel and head scarf away from being a Muslim
Crock!
Fact: Jesus said to Love your enemies... Not cut their heads off!
Fact: You are just one last breathe of knowing what we know!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115121 Oct 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Benjamin Thompson in 1797... Not Newton!
I presume this summarizes your argument for how the SLoT violates the ToE?

Not by himself, but yes. Not Newton. A slip for which I sit corrected, thank you.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115122 Oct 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Crock!
Fact: Jesus said to Love your enemies... Not cut their heads off!
Fact: You are just one last breathe of knowing what we know!
YaA, if you had turned your life around in the UAE, you'd be thanking Allah and bowing to Mecca. Everyone but you can face that Fact. Quit bellyaching.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115123 Oct 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Conjecture... Pure n simple!
Knowing God is real... blows you out of the water!
How do you date the fossil record...
You look at the geologic column!
How do you date the geologic column...
You look at the fossils in them!
The Great flood blows that out of the water... so to speak!
Wrong again, Sparky.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#115124 Oct 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
What you posted was incomplete and largely personal interpretations of surveys. Is that why you didn't give your source a citation? Why didn't you go on to include:
"However, as of 2001, most of those studies were conducted within the United States.[85] There is no significant correlation between religiosity and individual happiness in Denmark and the Netherlands, countries that have lower rates of religion than the United States.[86] A cross-national investigation on subjective well-being has noted that, globally, religious people are usually happier than nonreligious people, though nonreligious people can also reach high levels of happiness.[87] The 2013 World Happiness Report mentions that once crude factors are taken into account, there are no differences in life satisfaction between religious and less religious countries, even though a meta analysis concludes that greater religiosity is mildly associated with fewer depressive symptoms and 75% of studies find at least some positive effect of religion on well-being.[88]"
I've not claimed that religious persons are not or cannot be "happy." I HAVE said that religions are beneficial as social support networks, and I've said that many (if not all) zealots are DELUSIONAL.
Nicely pointed out.

Christians are so dishonest.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#115125 Oct 21, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
<quoted text>

Christians must remember that their faith will be tested. Debating here will be a challenge with some of the better educated atheists than myself. I hope their posts are not blocked by the moderator also. I enjoy the verbal sparring.
So that I know what to look for;Who are these better educated Atheists of whom you make mention?
Are you reffering to those who quote the Bible out of context?
Or
The ones who , in their lack of comprehension , present us with inaccurate interpretations of what the Bible states?
Or
Are you reffering to the many monikers that have been banned for lack of intellectual content accompanied by profanity?

Pa fuera es que van

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115127 Oct 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
What you posted was incomplete and largely personal interpretations of surveys. Is that why you didn't give your source a citation? Why didn't you go on to include:
"However, as of 2001, most of those studies were conducted within the United States.[85] There is no significant correlation between religiosity and individual happiness in Denmark and the Netherlands, countries that have lower rates of religion than the United States.[86] A cross-national investigation on subjective well-being has noted that, globally, religious people are usually happier than nonreligious people, though nonreligious people can also reach high levels of happiness.[87] The 2013 World Happiness Report mentions that once crude factors are taken into account, there are no differences in life satisfaction between religious and less religious countries, even though a meta analysis concludes that greater religiosity is mildly associated with fewer depressive symptoms and 75% of studies find at least some positive effect of religion on well-being.[88]"
I've not claimed that religious persons are not or cannot be "happy." I HAVE said that religions are beneficial as social support networks, and I've said that many (if not all) zealots are DELUSIONAL.
Looks as if Curious has purposely mislead us all on this study he talks about so much. Deception is akin to lying. And the way he deceived us with his cherry picking, it is lying in my eyes.
But I did not ever expect Curious to be ethical on this thread. Hell, he probably thinks it is moral to be deceptive, if it tricks someone into believing his religion. Of course Curious will ignore all this and pretend it was never mentioned. He will certainly keep posting the cherry picked parts as if we do not know the whole story. Truth is not of religion.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115131 Oct 21, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Your advice to Khatru not to hold his breath is appropriate.
That bad habit of his has caused a lack of oxygen flow to that malfunctioning remaining cell which has further eroded his mental abilities.
And you are right , There are no Gods , there is one God.
And that God is so deeply imbedded in your subconscious that , regardless of your futile efforts to deny him , you can not get him out of your mind , continuously , incessantly and without pause,talking and writing about that which your misguided mind tells you does not exist.
Your incessant concocted denials are made null and void by the fact that you can not stop thinking and talking about that which you claim is nonexistent
So your constant obsession with atheism means you are atheist?
I note you did not answer the question, thus the holding of breath statement was accurate.
Now go cherry pick a study like the typical Christian who cannot be honest.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115132 Oct 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Crock!
For future reference...
When you something idiotic, something you have no clue about...
Like God, instead of typing something back to you...
just know that I'm thinking something about you, but mostly
I wish your eyes to be opened to the truth!
I note you could not refute my logic, so you whined like a bitch.
If my points were so idiotic, it should be easy to refute. But you failed. I conclude you got nothing.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115133 Oct 21, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Nicely pointed out.
Christians are so dishonest.
Never mind love, salvation, "Truth", and faithfulness... those are just terms the ego latches onto for preservation of a mindset. Self deception is the basal accomplishment they deeply cherish above all else. It mandates that dishonesty with others must remain beneath their notice or the whole framework of their theological worldview is in peril of crashing - and without that, irrational fears of irrational fears will storm the ramparts. You will not enlighten a member of the flock from their windowless stockade of illusions, but as Q might put it, it's sometimes fun to poke at them with pointy sticks. To be quite honest, I don't address their errors for their own benefit, but to oppose ignorance - but mostly just for entertainment.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#115134 Oct 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Conjecture... Pure n simple!
Knowing God is real... blows you out of the water!
How do you date the fossil record...
You look at the geologic column!
How do you date the geologic column...
You look at the fossils in them!
The Great flood blows that out of the water... so to speak!
I note you spoke to none of my points and ranted about something that has nothing to do with the point.
Again, it looks like breeding over the course of millions of years lead to many changes in animals.
I get you do not believe in any of the dating processes of science, but then again, you dismiss any science that contradicts your bible tale.

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