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# Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 158010 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#115016 Oct 20, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No... just the ones that follow Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens, Klatu... you name em!
The only ones who keep bringing up those names are the Christian fundamentalists, and I especially don't know of anyone who follows the alien from The Day the Earth Stood Still. It would seem that YOUR LOT are the only ones putting them on pedestals, YaA.

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#115021 Oct 20, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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You still regurgitating extremism?
Gah.
Oh, I see. You are mindlessly trolling again.
Since you mention extremism, let's compare something...

Second law of thermodynamics, about entropy
The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.

and here is how what you call "Wikistoopidia" (or something like that) describes the second law:
Second law of thermodynamics: An isolated physical system, if not already in its own internal state of thermodynamic equilibrium, spontaneously evolves towards it. In an isolated physical system, there is a tendency towards spatial homogeneity. In particular, when an isolated physical system reaches its own internal state of thermodynamic equilibrium, its temperature is spatially uniform. When work is done on or by a thermodynamic system, a certain amount of that energy is lost to inefficiency, related to the difference between the energy level of the input and the output. This loss is described by the notion of entropy, which is often used to express the law. Some of the loss is due to friction when work is done, and some of it may be due to the relaxation of the system towards spatial homogeneity. The law says that these two mechanisms occur always and inevitably. The law implies that perpetual motion machines of the second kind are impossible.

-plus Wiki provides a link to SLoT's own entry.

Do you wish to pick up YaA's dropped gauntlet? Be warned, it's more like soiled briefs. Perhaps that is why he hasn't come to claim it himself.

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#115022 Oct 20, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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She believes that nonsense.
It's no wonder she's so frightened.
Poor thing.
Religion creates the fear, then offers a cure for it.
What a racket...
What a racket the Atheists make by constantly denying the existence of God.
Though they outwaedly deny his existence , God is so deeply imbedded in their subconscious that they can not stop talking aand writing about something they claim does not exist.
In conclusion, either your subconscious is pointing out to you the error of your ways or, for you to keep talking about something that you claim does not exist points to a defective mind.
That which you claim does not exist"has really got a hold on you"
Try as you might , you can not get away from him who created you
Needless to say , you will concoct some illusionary excuse in order to justify your irrational behaviour.

BTW That concocted story you posted that supposedly occured in some small central florida town. Was unable to find any evidence that such an event took place.
Happy halloween. Christmas is not too far off. Hope you still have a job decorating Christmas trees. Otherwise

No mas Pantalones

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#115023 Oct 20, 2013
curious wrote:
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Unfortunately , all is not well with Atheism , as you would like us to believe.
Your concocted Benefits do not hold up yo what clinical studies indicate about the physical and mental state of Atheists.
Responding in the book The Irrational Atheist to criticisms that religion is harmful, Theodore Beale argues that religious individuals tend to be happier and healthier, more likely to have children, and more sexually satisfied than non-religious individuals.[73] There is substantial research suggesting that religious people are happier and less stressed.[74][75] Surveys by Gallup, the National Opinion Research Center and the Pew Organization conclude that spiritually committed people are twice as likely to report being "very happy" than the least religiously committed people.[76] An analysis of over 200 social studies contends that "high religiousness predicts a rather lower risk of depression and drug abuse and fewer suicide attempts, and more reports of satisfaction with sex life and a sense of well-being,"[77] and a review of 498 studies published in peer-reviewed journals concluded that a large majority of them showed a positive correlation between religious commitment and higher levels of perceived well-being and self-esteem and lower levels of hypertension, depression, and clinical delinquency.[78][vague][79] Surveys suggest a strong link between faith and altruism.[80] Studies by Keith Ward show that overall religion is a positive contributor to mental health,[81] and a meta-analysis of 34 recent studies published between 1990 and 2001 also found that religiosity has a salutary relationship with psychological adjustment, being related to less psychological distress, more life satisfaction, and better self-actualization.[82] Andrew E. Clark and Orsolya Lelkes surveyed 90,000 people in 26 European countries and found that "[one's own] religious behaviour is positively correlated with individual life satisfaction.", greater overall "religiosity" in a region also correlates positively with "individual life satisfaction". The reverse was found to be true: a large "atheist" (non-religious) population "has negative spillover effects" for both the religious and non-religious members of the population.[83] Finally, a recent systematic review of 850 research papers on the topic concluded that "the majority of well-conducted studies found that higher levels of religious involvement are positively associated with indicators of psychological well-being (life satisfaction, happiness, positive affect, and higher morale) and with less depression, suicidal thoughts and behavior, drug/alcohol use/abuse."[84]
OK Khatru...Give my regards to the Sheriff and watch out for Friar Tuck. He has no patience with Atheists

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#115024 Oct 20, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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I really don't care what Beale's opinion is, just as I've never cared what "Vox Day"'s opinion is. Neither do I care about your pronounced enthusiasm for the bliss of self induced senility.
BTW , What I posted was not merely based on Beale's opinions.
It was BASED on SCientific Studies.

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#115025 Oct 20, 2013
curious wrote:
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What a racket the Atheists make by constantly denying the existence of God.
Though they outwaedly deny his existence , God is so deeply imbedded in their subconscious that they can not stop talking aand writing about something they claim does not exist.
In conclusion, either your subconscious is pointing out to you the error of your ways or, for you to keep talking about something that you claim does not exist points to a defective mind.
That which you claim does not exist"has really got a hold on you"
Try as you might , you can not get away from him who created you
Needless to say , you will concoct some illusionary excuse in order to justify your irrational behaviour.
BTW That concocted story you posted that supposedly occured in some small central florida town. Was unable to find any evidence that such an event took place.
Happy halloween. Christmas is not too far off. Hope you still have a job decorating Christmas trees. Otherwise
No mas Pantalones
The "concocted story" revolves around a city issue. I found it in seconds. Why would you proclaim that because you are unaware of something (many things, actually) it is concocted, yet proclaim that the many groundless stories in a human written book are the inviolate words of a god?

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#115028 Oct 20, 2013
curious wrote:
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BTW , What I posted was not merely based on Beale's opinions.
It was BASED on SCientific Studies.
What you posted was incomplete and largely personal interpretations of surveys. Is that why you didn't give your source a citation? Why didn't you go on to include:

"However, as of 2001, most of those studies were conducted within the United States.[85] There is no significant correlation between religiosity and individual happiness in Denmark and the Netherlands, countries that have lower rates of religion than the United States.[86] A cross-national investigation on subjective well-being has noted that, globally, religious people are usually happier than nonreligious people, though nonreligious people can also reach high levels of happiness.[87] The 2013 World Happiness Report mentions that once crude factors are taken into account, there are no differences in life satisfaction between religious and less religious countries, even though a meta analysis concludes that greater religiosity is mildly associated with fewer depressive symptoms and 75% of studies find at least some positive effect of religion on well-being.[88]"

I've not claimed that religious persons are not or cannot be "happy." I HAVE said that religions are beneficial as social support networks, and I've said that many (if not all) zealots are DELUSIONAL.

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#115030 Oct 20, 2013
Dont Miss wrote:
<quoted text> God is taught in school every Sunday. Take your kids and leave mine out of it. The country was founded on freedom of religion. I can choose not be indoctrinated.
"I can choose not be indoctrinated"...
Yes you can, and so can your children...
That is why it's called an "Elective"!
But... IF your children wanted to go....
How would you live with yourself by denying them the chance?

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#115031 Oct 20, 2013
curious wrote:
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Hey Dukette , you ,the other Atheist and Atheist wannabes on this thread should get down on your knees everyday and thank God for having inspired the writing of the bible.
Were it not for his existence there would be no Atheists , you would be out of a job posting nonsense on topix and Witchetty would lose her job decorating Christmas trees.
The rest of ya would have nothing to do with your meaningless lives and would die of boredom.
Maybe now you will understand the meaning of
'"God allows the rain to fall on the good and evil alike"
So you were not able to refute my logic about the golden rule, so you whined like a bitch?
I will refute your logic here.
It makes no sense for me to thank something in which I do not believe.
If I had no god to debate about, I could easily fill my time talking politics. They are of the same mentality anyway.
If you looked at the history of my posts, you would see I left this thread for a long time in the election season. I did not leave topix, I just had other priorities.

Is it fun debating religion? Sometimes, but sometimes it just irritates me due to the lack of intellectual debate to be found. For instance ,you guys mostly just divert and never debate. I figure you just have no logical answers to my sound logic, so you resort to whining like bitches.

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#115033 Oct 20, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
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I think I'd look to some actual SCIENCE sites in an instance like that-gruntman.
Ya wanna be poitus of some pwetend little island fer a day...with mehbe some cloven feet, four arms, with snow peas that grow perpetually outa yer nostrils?
Wikistoopedia can hep yew wit that LOL
It might be apropos to answer your taunting with a similar depth of cleverness - but alas, baby talk is a lost language to me.

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#115034 Oct 20, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Yes I do!
God Created everything!
When you can make atoms, make them into molecules, turn them
into proteins, make them into DNA, and breathe life into to them...
Then, and only then, might your opinion matter on the subject
of God's ability of making a darned thing, AND
Knowing God is real... it still won't matter that much at all!
Good day!
So he created stars that blew up in one day to make heavy elements?
Stardust comes from exploding stars (suns). Oh, and some elements took more than one generation of stars to produce.
Sorry, but the six day timeline is clearly man made myth.

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#115035 Oct 20, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>How do you breed a two dogs down to a puddle?
BTW... it's still a DOG!
And you can breed wolves down to dogs. They are categories that we humans put them into. It is called language. They are different, but have similarities. At some point the category may change.
Now if you looked at the fossil record, it looks like the breeding made for some dramatic changes over the course of millions of years. You can breed for dogs for a human lifetime and make some dramatic changes, but if you spent ten million years breeding, imagine the amount of change. It would look like the fossil record. The fossils match the predictions. Or maybe your god just made it look this way so we could have something to debate to pass our time.

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#115036 Oct 20, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Because....
GOD SAVED ME!
He is real, and you should try to get to know Him!
Not religion, not the building... Just Him!
The only "knowing" of a god is through religion.
If their was a real god, I would imagine the god would need no religion to communicate for him. He could use magic.
But you keep insisting we need the bible. When you contradict yourself, you make your claims look false. You do it constantly, as do most every Christian I have ever spoken too.

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#115037 Oct 20, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>No!
God did not tell me to be Republican... it was the natural progression from evil towards Righteousness!
Now... I'm closer to the Tea Party, but....
I know America will not get back to it's original form
before the Lord's return, and it wouldn't matter if we did!
How many of those Democrats that Claim they are Christian...
Like abortion??? I know of one for sure!
Someone said they "like" abortion? Or do you just confuse freedom with what one might like or not?
I do not like religion, but I vote for freedom to worship. I know your god does not approve of freedom of worship, but who cares.

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#115038 Oct 20, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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That's like talking about a bunch of sapling, now mature apple trees in many instances, pulled from the same orchard, after a couple of decades of just being transplanted into a different one.
Do you just make up your own insults (labels) or do you get this stuff somewhere?

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#115039 Oct 20, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>You exist!
I rest my case!
Good day!
Sorry, you'll need to do much better than that if you're going to refute my posts.

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#115041 Oct 20, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"I can choose not be indoctrinated"...
Yes you can, and so can your children...
That is why it's called an "Elective"!
But... IF your children wanted to go....
How would you live with yourself by denying them the chance?
One could simply send their kids to the local church. They are all over the damn place. They get tax free status in order to teach their propaganda and superstition.
Now if you wish the government to take this job, then the churches should lose the tax free status.

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#115042 Oct 20, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"I can choose not be indoctrinated"...
Yes you can, and so can your children...
That is why it's called an "Elective"!
But... IF your children wanted to go....
How would you live with yourself by denying them the chance?
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That's right it's a choice as an elective and a lot of parents take their children to Sunday school and drop them off now if they have some affiliation to the church but those parents that don't know a church could still allow their children the benefit of learning of God and Christ in the words of the bible if it were available at school.

Only those who are following after the evil one or their own irrational fears would oppose the freedom we have to learn of the gospel wherever it is spoken of even in schools.

Our schools teach of mans ethics which will fail as we have seen but God tells of saving us through Jesus who is the light, the truth and the way.

The bible tells of love and forgiveness for those who believe in faith in god but those who oppose God and hate will reap what they sow, just as we can see as they oppose us even now, when they spew their hateful misguided words.

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#115043 Oct 20, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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The "concocted story" revolves around a city issue. I found it in seconds. Why would you proclaim that because you are unaware of something (many things, actually) it is concocted, yet proclaim that the many groundless stories in a human written book are the inviolate words of a god?
If you found it , why not enlighten us with the location?
Is it a national secret , does revealing the location threaten national Securuty or is it a concoction made up of a Witches brew?
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#115044 Oct 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And you can breed wolves down to dogs. They are categories that we humans put them into. It is called language. They are different, but have similarities. At some point the category may change.
Now if you looked at the fossil record, it looks like the breeding made for some dramatic changes over the course of millions of years. You can breed for dogs for a human lifetime and make some dramatic changes, but if you spent ten million years breeding, imagine the amount of change. It would look like the fossil record. The fossils match the predictions. Or maybe your god just made it look this way so we could have something to debate to pass our time.
I have long held the opinion that the following quote says it all for religies and their knowledge of science and evolution.

"Everyone knows scientists insist on using complex terminology to make it harder for True Christians to refute their claims. Deoxyribonucleic Acid, for example... sounds impressive, right? But have you ever seen what happens if you put something in acid? It dissolves! If we had all this acid in our cells, we'd all dissolve! So much for the Theory of Evolution, Check MATE!"

I think it was "bi-curious" posting as "mantle" or one of its other monikers.

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