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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 148993 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#114789 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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He saved you?
Saved you from what?
From poverty?
From disease?
From starvation?
From the wrath of an insane god?
Saved me from what?

The grasp of Satan!
3.5 years of slamming meth without withdrawls...
Sexual perversion, using parts of my body as a vagina...
not caring about my bills...
stealing from people... you name it!
He restored my family to me after 9 years away...
God is Good!
Repent, and get to know Him!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#114790 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Science represents our best explanation and has a success rate that religion can only drool over.
Irreducible complexity? Debunked!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe
Wrong!
Godless men, lying about what the hope to be true!
See...
I KNOW God is real, and everyone will too!
Only thing...
Will you be His Friend, or not!
That is on you!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#114791 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Claim CB200.1:
Bacterial flagella and eukaryotic cilia are irreducibly complex, Since nonfunctional intermediates cannot be preserved by natural selection, these systems can only be explained by intelligent design.
Source:
This is an example of argument from incredulity, because irreducible complexity can evolve naturally. Many of the proteins in the bacterial flagellum or eukaryotic cilium are similar to each other or to proteins for other functions. Their origins can easily be explained by a series of gene duplication events followed by modification and/or co-option, proceeding gradually through intermediate systems different from and simpler than the final flagellum.
One plausible path for the evolution of flagella goes through the following basic stages (keep in mind that this is a summary, and that each major co-option event would be followed by long periods of gradual optimization of function):
A passive, nonspecific pore evolves into a more specific passive pore by addition of gating protein(s). Passive transport converts to active transport by addition of an ATPase that couples ATP hydrolysis to improved export capability. This complex forms a primitive type-III export system.
The type-III export system is converted to a type-III secretion system (T3SS) by addition of outer membrane pore proteins (secretin and secretin chaperone) from the type-II secretion system. These eventually form the P- and L-rings, respectively, of modern flagella. The modern type-III secretory system forms a structure strikingly similar to the rod and ring structure of the flagellum (Hueck 1998; Blocker et al. 2003).
The T3SS secretes several proteins, one of which is an adhesin (a protein that sticks the cell to other cells or to a substrate). Polymerization of this adhesin forms a primitive pilus, an extension that gives the cell improved adhesive capability. After the evolution of the T3SS pilus, the pilus diversifies for various more specialized tasks by duplication and subfunctionalization of the pilus proteins (pilins).
An ion pump complex with another function in the cell fortuitously becomes associated with the base of the secretion system structure, converting the pilus into a primitive protoflagellum. The initial function of the protoflagellum is improved dispersal. Homologs of the motor proteins MotA and MotB are known to function in diverse prokaryotes independent of the flagellum.
The binding of a signal transduction protein to the base of the secretion system regulates the speed of rotation depending on the metabolic health of the cell. This imposes a drift toward favorable regions and away from nutrient-poor regions, such as those found in overcrowded habitats. This is the beginning of chemotactic motility.
Numerous improvements follow the origin of the crudely functioning flagellum. Notably, many of the different axial proteins (rod, hook, linkers, filament, caps) originate by duplication and subfunctionalization of pilins or the primitive flagellar axial structure. These proteins end up forming the axial protein family.
The eukaryotic cilium (also called the eukaryotic flagellum or undulipodium) is fundamentally different from the bacterial flagellum. It probably originated as an outgrowth of the mitotic spindle in a primitive eukaryote (both structures make use of sliding microtubules and dyneins). Cavalier-Smith (1987; 2002) has discussed the origin of these systems on several occasions.
Believe what you want...
I'll go with what I know... the Truth!
Good day!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#114792 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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There's a very well known shot taken by the Hubble Telescope. I'm sure you've heard of it; it's known as "The Ultra Deep Field" and it represents both our longest look out into the cosmos, as well as our furthest look back in time. This awesome shot of a small piece of the night sky (about the size of a postage stamp) reveals over 1500 galaxies at varying stages of evolution as they whirl and spin in the vastness of space.
Science, not religion, has revealed this wonder of our natural universe to us, and speaking for myself, when I look at this awesome sight, I feel very small and humble indeed. I need no god to inspire such wonder.
Was it all created by a supreme being? I very much doubt it.
However, I can accept the possibility that I could be wrong and maybe there is an omnipotent being who created everything.
If there is such a being then how arrogant and foolish is it for you to claim him for your man-made religion! In that respect you're no different from the muslims and pretty much every other faith that claims sole ownership of a supreme being for their religion alone.
Any supreme being is going to be far beyond the limits and petty jealousies and uneasy vanities that men of faith claim he possesses.
Perhaps the supreme being (if there is one) will favour the atheists for not labeling him as theirs or for carrying out all sorts of deeds in his name.
Truth?
What truth is that?
I hope you've not been baking your hotcakes using Ezekiel's divine recipe.
Yet...
Before the telescope was invented... man still knew a lot about stars, planets, and the movements of such!
One might wonder why God made it almost impossible to journey out of our system....
I suspect it was to squelch the infection of stupidity,
as we clearly see what it's done to us...
I mean... Killing babies in the womb... just so you can hump like you want!
Sick people try to justify their perversions...
Trying to use science to say it's natural...
Totally ignorant of the facts!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#114793 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Jesus was a socialist.
Jesus was the unemployed son of two asylum-seekers. That's two groups of people that conservatives don't seem to have much time for.
How would a homeless, socially marginal person without a trade or occupation fare under a conservative government? Jesus was all of those. He was also a friend of outcasts and pariahs, averse to material possessions, and a scourge of the rich and powerful. So he would never have got along with conservatives.
A core principle of socialism is redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor. Jesus was all for that.
"You cannot serve God and wealth," (Matthew 6:24) & "The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil" (1 Timothy 6:10). Not very conservative, eh?
What about Jesus clearing the moneylenders and traders from the temple? How like today's left wing activists who rebel against the financial elite.
Jesus believed in free healthcare. If he'd been conservative he'd have charged for his services, demanded to see an insurance card before offering treatment. If Jesus was conservative he would have made sure that he profited from his health-giving powers.
What a crock!
I don't think I'll be able to make a hateful Godless mind like your to understand!

Do you remember why Jesus said, and did what he did, or are you just spouting crap from evilbible.stupid?
I suspect you didn't read the Bible, and just want to hear yourself talk!

You're just a twisted, broken human in need of a savior!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#114794 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Lol
Sad how religion turns the minds of its followers into so much mush.
Still, it must be difficult for him to come to terms with the fact that people believe in other gods with equivalent or even greater passion than him.
Listen to him parroting his "you're either with us or you're damned" mantra around this thread. It seems that he can't stand people having a different outlook on life to him.
Could it not be... with what I KNOW....
That I actually care about you... to warn you...
The Bridge is OUT... STOP...
I leave it up to you... your the one with the brakes
Repent... get to know God, and I guarantee, you'll be on here
Thanking me, and telling your buddies on here the same things I say!

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#114796 Oct 18, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
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You are too blinded by hate to have any decent conversation about the love I know in God. I will pray for you to seek the truth and light in Jesus.
Pray all you want to. It's a waste of time.
Prayer changes nothing because there is no one listening.

I hope you are an elderly person (so that it is your dementia talking), but I feel that you are simply young and gullible. And very insecure.

I only hope that you learn to appreciate THIS life and live it to its fullest. We live in a remarkable world, full of great joy and beauty as well as great sadness and horror. But the point is that WE LIVE. Make the most of the experience.

As Stephen Hawking said, "We should seek the greatest value of our action."

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114797 Oct 18, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
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I live in this world that God created but the devil and his followers try to make hellish for everyone because its all they want for themselves and that is what they will get.
Unfortunately some people who would live in Gods love have been buffered by hate because of all the evil in the world they don't see how misinformed and deluded they are with their false priorities and lies.
We pay taxes on the roads too, would you try to say I can't study the bible with fellow believers and those curious to hear what it says in public on tax payer streets? Do you really feel you have the authority to prevent peaceful public gatherings too?
No matter where I am I know I am God's child but you have to chose to live according to who you want in control of you life - God or mammon. Give to Caesar what is his and to God what is his.
Just because there are different views on a subject of interpretation it doesn't mean it should not be free to be discussed. If a person wants to study a different religion they should be free to do it or go to a free study hall for the hour but not censored.
The second amendment means that the state will not adopt or recognize one religion as official or superior over another. That means that a school where minors are required to gather by law cannot have faculty led prayer, worship or study of one specific religion as preferential or in lieu of others. A student may personally bring any religious text and read it >on their own time<, as long as they don't disrupt the school's mission. You and your like have demonstrated an unwillingness to understand and abide by that limitation. That is not anyone else's fault.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114798 Oct 18, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>What a crock!
I don't think I'll be able to make a hateful Godless mind like your to understand!
Do you remember why Jesus said, and did what he did, or are you just spouting crap from evilbible.stupid?
I suspect you didn't read the Bible, and just want to hear yourself talk!
You're just a twisted, broken human in need of a savior!
Can't handle the truth, YaA? Doesn't fit with your Faux News perspectives? Who IS your Savior, YaA? Jesus or Herod? From what I've seen of neocon attitudes, you'd be the ones in the front row giving Pilate the thumbs down.

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#114801 Oct 18, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
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That must have been from some book you studied on school too bad it's missing the mark of truth and light that the bible has.
Yes it was the King James Version. God created Evil and Dracula became a Christian.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

KJV —Isaiah 45:7 (claimed by scholars to be the most accurate translation)

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#114802 Oct 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Others have thought such predictions to be farcical in the past... Just before they came to pass...
Without Perfect People socialism will always lead to totalitarian rule.... And there are no perfect people and they cannot be re-educated to be so.....
Well we must be perfect then because we have had some socialism for about one hundred years.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114803 Oct 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well we must be perfect then because we have had some socialism for about one hundred years.
Longer than that.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#114804 Oct 18, 2013
Khatru wrote:
My God Can Beat Up Your God
Richard Bamford

When your god inspired great buildings and great art, my god made them possible.
While your god says we are all born sinners, tainted before we even draw breath, my god says we are all born innocent; a clean slate with limitless potential.
While your god offers dubious allusions of an afterlife, my god provides for us here in this life.
While your god makes amazing promises, but offers not a shred of proof, my god performs amazing deeds, and the proof is there to be seen by all.
While your god demands blind faith and obsequious obedience, my god encourages questions, even about himself.
When your god says "Thou shalt not," my god says "You can do anything."
My god is reason. He does more in a day than your god will ever do.
The ability to reason can be used in order to deny God's exixtence or to seek him.
Richard Bamford used that ability to make reason his God.
His foolish search for wisdom has landed him in the land of fools
In the process he has spouted a number of bombastic statements for which he provides no evidence.
Who endowed him with the ability to reasom?
God did not forbid knowledge , and the Bible , which Atheists claim was devised and written by uneducated Goatherders , is the most popular book ever written.
It has sold more copies , has been translated into more languages and more widely than any other book.
It has been used as an educational tool since it's inception.
The copies of the bible that have been sold would fill thousands of libraries. It's teachings are practiced by billions of people.
It is on the teachings of the bible and belief in God that Wesrern civilization forms it's foundation...magna carta , Declaration of Independence"
Those who believed in God set the foundation for our Health system and medicine.
It is they who founded hospitals and the nursing profession.
It is they who laid the foundation for our educational system.
It is they who feed the poor.
When there is a catastrophe it is the Red Cross , founded by a believer , who rushes to their assistance. It is Feed The Chidren , Catholic Charities , Salvation Army and other faith based organizations who tend to the needs of the lesss fortunate.
It is the the words of the bible that are written in our Federal building "And they shall beat their swords into plowshares and make war no more" not the Atheistic slogan espoused by Mao "All power flows from the barrel of a gun"
It is the " Scales of justice that sre engraved in our Supreme Court , not the lawless belief espoused by Atheist Societies .
It is Jesus who said , All things are possible by faith in God.
Atheism has not made any contributions to Western civilization.
They have however , wreaked havoc in the countries where they have ruled by human reason.
They murdered millions under Mao . They murdered by the millions under Pol Pot , They murderd by the millions under Stalin.
It was Alexander Solshenytsin who laid bare the cruelty of USSR
It was Lech Walessa and the Pope who freed Poland from the tentacles of communism.
What those who believe in God have accomplished by far and away supersedes anything accomplished by Atheists.
The facts are there for all to see.
No , reason is not the true God. God gave man the ability to reason. That some have not learned to use it properly and have instead made it their God is the way of a fool.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114805 Oct 18, 2013
ROFL!! curious (of all people) accuses someone else of being bombastic??!!!

The scales of justice are held by the Goddess Maat, Bonzo. She predates guns and Jesus by thousands of years.

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#114806 Oct 18, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
I feel the bible should be welcomed everywhere and if there are people who want to study the Bible in school who are we to prevent them.
We have freedom to do many things in the USA, even study scriptures in the bible at our public schools if we chose.
I'm studying this one. Seems that God has a way of being very explicit describing sex acts as if the holy spirit had made Ezekiel write some porno for school kids.

Two Adulterous Sisters

Ezekiel 23

The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4 The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem.

18 When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#114807 Oct 18, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>If a snowman walked into your house, and sat down in your chair... Melted, While you watched...
You'd still know it happened!
The evidence I have is like that, only
I know RIGHT from WRONG, AND
Never feel like I WANT to do it again!
A change only God can make!
If you knew before, and now...
You'd see it too!
Ifn a Snowman walked into my house and melted then I would first question my mental state and seek professional help to deal with my delusional state....

You would get on the net and tell everyone it's a sign from God and there really was a Snowman walk into your living room to melt....

See the difference....

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#114808 Oct 18, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
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There is a place and time appropriate for all scripture meanings. I may have a very good reason one day for finding a tree unattractive but then on the next day I might have a very good reason to find it attractive maybe it was how the light shown upon it.
We are not robots only thinking in the logical are we, we consider many things around us minute by minute and one instance gives way to another our experience changes as do our need so then why should we try to limit the word of God which goes on forever and ever to what we can fathom, touch, see, hear when the Holy Spirit is alive and moves us spiritually.
One day I read that because I am a believer in Christ I will be like the Angels in heaven then another day reading another scripture I read we will be equal to the Angels in heaven, it wasn't the exact same but it gave my thoughts on the subject peace in the Spirit.
Every day there is some new outlook on life with the bible and it encourages me on.
No, not quite.

When I said "contradictions" I was referring to the blatant contradictions in the Bible and not something that comes down to how you interpret it.

Those blatant contradictions do exist - the Bible is full of them.

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#114809 Oct 18, 2013
curious wrote:
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When there is a catastrophe it is the Red Cross , founded by a believer , who rushes to their assistance. It is Feed The Chidren , Catholic Charities , Salvation Army and other faith based organizations who tend to the needs of the lesss fortunate.
.
Not all like the JW's only help their own members. The Catholics are the anti-christ according to one of your fans (YAA) that give you good judgeits. The government (Satan) helps giving tax exemptions to all the churches including scientology. No proof God exists just that charity exists and socialism in america exists. If you need help call 911. So what's your point?

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#114810 Oct 18, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
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The principalities and powers of this world in high places shall be brought low.
2 Timothy 3
King James Version (KJV)
3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
Superstitious mumbo jumbo

The primitive and barbaric ramblings of people for whom the cutting edge of technology was probably the wheelbarrow.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#114811 Oct 18, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not the only one!
You can be too!
Just repent!
I asked whether your god talks to you.

Why are you afraid to answer that question?

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