Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,206

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#114134 Oct 6, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
It is an attempt to give the appearance of superior numbers.
You think we go to the trouble of lying and trying to pretend to be someone else to impress YOU with our numbers?
Like that was important? Really?

It wouldn't matter to any of us if we were the only atheist on this forum.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114137 Oct 7, 2013
kkkurious wrote:
<quoted text>
It is amazing how you Atheists make ujp stories in order to justify your unbelief.
What is amazing is that you don't detect your own rash bigotry and the irrationality of your allegations.
kkkurious wrote:
<quoted text>
Chro makes up a story about taking his car to be fuxrd by someone who included a crucifix and some Christian staement in his advertising. He supposedly got ripped off for $2500.00
Knowing that ,why did he take his car there in the first place.
I made up a story? Prove it. WitW, MD, plus anyone and everyone else who corrects you and/or admonishes your duplicity is lying? Prove it.
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor." All Kkkurious demonstrates is that Atheists not only have a better understanding of the Bible than "Christians", they're more likely to implement its spiritual principles.

$2400, not $2500. Trust a banker not to get the numbers right. I took the car to a transmission shop because the transmission was busted. Yeah, I know - weird behavior, ain't it? Maybe I was drunk on sacramental wine I pilfered from a church storeroom or was on some kind of atheist drug. 0.o
The advertising had no crucifix or statement. It had an icthys. Old man Grimes said "Yup, I get a lot of these Caravans. They keep making the transmissions lighter to get better mileage and cheaper to save money, They just don't last." Well, he was right. 2 more breakdowns in a month after getting it back.
Now I suppose the guy who maintains that 'the Creator of All Space and Time answered his lost dog ad' will imply that I've never even owned a Caravan...
Of course, everyone is aware that's just part of your game of diversion you think is clever (because you have precious little else to contribute)- and just as your prejudiced little blame game of "Atheists are______" is nothing but your irrational fears manifesting themselves.

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#114138 Oct 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't get me wrong . That you 2 or 3 atheists are posting under different monikers ,is not illegal.
Like I've said before , it is an effort on your behalf , to make it appear to be more of you than there really are.
Now , myself , yaa , Sista and Known fact ARE not registered ,
I see you're trolling again. Gave up on preaching?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114139 Oct 7, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you're trolling again. Gave up on preaching?
How can you tell the difference between when he's trolling and when he's preaching? Delusions, dishonesty and vitriol... They seem exactly the same to me.

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#114140 Oct 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
How can you tell the difference between when he's trolling and when he's preaching? Delusions, dishonesty and vitriol... They seem exactly the same to me.
Good point, I should have said his sorry preaching. You know, "God is real and you'll be sorry you didn't get to know him." He's thinks he is Sherlock Holmes the master "troll" detective. Curious is trolling the line until Watson "YAA,KF,sisTIC shows up.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#114141 Oct 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.”(Col. 1:19; 2:9) Having been with his heavenly Father for aeons of time, Jesus knows better than anyone else the personality and will of God. Throughout his earthly ministry, Jesus taught others what his Father had taught him and reflected in his actions the qualities that his Father had nurtured in him. That is why Jesus could say:“He that has seen me has seen the Father also.”(John 14:9) All the wisdom and knowledge of God are hidden, or are dwelling, in Christ, and there is no better way for us to learn about Jehovah than by carefully learning all that we can about Jesus.
I see you're still avoiding me on the question of Moses the mass murderer. Are you awaiting the official church response first?
Do you feel it was just and moral to have those who worshiped what they wished, killed?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#114142 Oct 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Many superstitions feel you gain the powers of a person by eating his flesh and drinking his blood. Christians symbolically do this every Sunday. Catholics consider the sacrament actual flesh and blood of Jesus. They worry someone will take the cracker(flesh of Jesus)and perform satanic rituals with it.
Why we must consider this a same act, I cannot understand.
Correction, should be (sane) not same. Why do we (not I) consider symbolically drinking a mans blood and eating his flesh sane?

Does one need to be a detective like Sherlock Holmes to figure out this was just a tradition stolen from cannibal pagans?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#114143 Oct 7, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You think we go to the trouble of lying and trying to pretend to be someone else to impress YOU with our numbers?
Like that was important? Really?
It wouldn't matter to any of us if we were the only atheist on this forum.
I made my allegations based on circumstantial evidence that I was able to glean from the postings on this thread.

Now , you all can let me know why one would register and hide their location. What is the purpose of hiding your location?
As I understand it , one's location is not hidden automatically.
One can choose to disclose their location or keep it secret.
If you wanted to prove me wrong , all you have to do is ,disclose your location.
I don't hide mine . you all know where I post from.
The fact that one of the former participants denied using more than one hidden moniker and ultimately admitting to having used 6 hidden monikers only adds fuel to the fire.
Having said that , you are all making a mountain out of a molehill.
To hide your monokers and post under different monikers is neither illegal or immoral.
At least not to my knowledge.
I brought it up as a topic of discussion and did not believe it would raise such a ruckus.
So , you may choose to disclose your location, or you may choose not to.

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#114144 Oct 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I see you're still avoiding me on the question of Moses the mass murderer. Are you awaiting the official church response first?
Do you feel it was just and moral to have those who worshiped what they wished, killed?
Known Fact is biting his/her fingers nails like a sissy waiting for his pastor to call him back with the answer. If he/she has no answer the pastor will quote a scripture saying "don't give what is holy to dogs."

I posted one earlier about the blood transfusions showing how JW' take blood and topix deleted it. To bad, not sure why it was deleted.

God is mad like a spurned jealous lover and wait to kill them all.

Ex 32:9-14:
Gods bark was worse than his bite. Moses talks God out of his sadistic killing of the pagan worshiping Israelites. Then Moses decides he we do the killing himself and Give God the credit.

Numbers 12:1
No God to stay Moses hand. After all that killing Moses marries a pagan women. Every thing Moses told Israelite not to do he did.

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#114145 Oct 7, 2013
edit: Then Moses decides he will do the killing himself.

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#114146 Oct 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I made my allegations based on circumstantial evidence that I was able to glean from the postings on this thread.
Now , you all can let me know why one would register and hide their location. What is the purpose of hiding your location?
As I understand it , one's location is not hidden automatically.
One can choose to disclose their location or keep it secret.
If you wanted to prove me wrong , all you have to do is ,disclose your location.
I don't hide mine . you all know where I post from.
The fact that one of the former participants denied using more than one hidden moniker and ultimately admitting to having used 6 hidden monikers only adds fuel to the fire.
Having said that , you are all making a mountain out of a molehill.
To hide your monokers and post under different monikers is neither illegal or immoral.
At least not to my knowledge.
I brought it up as a topic of discussion and did not believe it would raise such a ruckus.
So , you may choose to disclose your location, or you may choose not to.
The Christians like to have secrets. Take a look at the list.

1. Jimmy Swaggart. I don't even know where to start with this guy.

2. Jim Bakker was the founder of PTL ministries.

3. Father John J. Geoghan, deceased Catholic Priest, was accused by 130 people of sexual abuse and child molestation over a 30 year period. After being defrocked in 1998.

4.

5. Parker J. Bena, Conservative Republican activist and very important figure in getting GWB elected as President, plead guilty to charges of possessing child pornography and lying to the FBI.

6. Rep. Bob Allen of Florida. Not really sure if he's Evangelical, but certainly *conservative*, I'm adding him to the list because Mr. Allen's actions were not only skeezy, but racist as well. You see, Allen was arrested after allegedly offering an male undercover officer $20 to perform oral sex on him in a men's restroom.

Everyone's favorite, Reverend Ted Haggard. Haggard was the founder of the New Life Church in Colorado Springs. A *charismatic* pastor, Haggard was vocal about his anti-homosexual ideals, well, that is until he was outed by a male prostitute.

http://voices.yahoo.com/top-10-christian-cons...
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#114147 Oct 7, 2013
Mr. Spaceship Earth"
While you are at it you may as well add this to your list!

INSIDE EDITION Investigates TV Ministers' Lifestyles
Airdate: 05/24/2011
They are some of the most popular TV preachers in the country, packing their mega churches each week and taking in millions every year. They urge the faithful followers to donate generously and in return the Lord will bring them prosperity.

There's no denying some people have prospered handsomely—the pastors themselves. They live like rock stars with huge mansions, private jets, and fancy cars. Their lifestyles are so lavish, six of them have been investigated by the U.S. Senate.

One preacher, Paula White, lives in multimillion dollar homes in New York City and Tampa, Florida. And another preacher, Creflo Dollar, gets around in style, flying in private jets to preach around the country. He owns a mansion in an exclusive Atlanta suburb.

Not one of them would would sit down for an interview about their opulent lifestyle so INSIDE EDITION's Lisa Guerrero caught up with Creflo Dollar at an event in New York City. She asked him, "How do you justify your million dollar mansions and private jets to your donors?" Dollar had no comment.

But when it comes to opulence, few religious leaders compare to Kenneth Copeland. He lives in an 18,000 square foot home outside Ft. Worth, Texas worth $6 million. It has beautiful water views that comes complete with a boat house. But that's not all.

Copeland is an avid pilot, and his pride and joy is a $20 million Cessna Citation jet. It's the fastest private jet money can buy. He said he needed it to better serve the Lord, and proudly did a fly by for his followers after the church bought it.

But that's not the only plane used by the church. We found a fleet of planes registered to the church. And you won't catch him waiting in line at the airport, because he's got his own. The Kenneth Copeland Airport is located right next to his mansion.

"I think Copeland is unbelievably greedy", said Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation, a church watchdog group that worked with the Senate Committee investigating Copeland and other TV preachers..
"Televangelism is a $2 to $3 billion industry, untaxed, unregulated," said Anthony.

That's right—by law, religious groups like Copeland's are exempt from federal taxes, and they don't have to report how they spend their money to anyone.

Copeland and his church takes in tens of millions a year, through donations and selling books and DVD's to his donors.
(CONT.)
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#114148 Oct 7, 2013
(Cont. TV Ministers)
When Kristi Parker's mother died of cancer, she said she found diaries that showed her mother sent Copeland most of her life's savings, hoping her faith and donations would heal her deadly disease.

"She sent them a lot of money, a whole lot of money", said Parker.

Guerrero asked Parker, "What do you think of Kenneth Copeland's lifestyle?"

"TV doesn't do it justice. Their office furniture is probably worth more than most people's houses. It make you sick." said Parker.

Copeland, like the other preachers investigated by the Senate, refused INSIDE EDITION's request for an interview, so we caught up with him at an event in North Carolina.

Guerrero asked, "Can you explain to us why you are living such a lifestyle of luxury off of church donations?"

An assistant to Copeland said, "We don't have any time for this," and tried to usher Copeland away. At the same time a hotel employee tried to block our camera.

Guerrero continued to try to get answers from Copeland.
"Why won't you answer any of our questions? It's a simple questions, sir," said Guerrero.

Copeland then agreed to chat and said, "I'm going to give you a simple answer. My life follows scripture. We've never asked anyone for money. We give. We believe we're open."

Guerrero then asked, "Sir, you have a fleet of private jets. Why is that necessary? How many jets do you have?"

Copeland answered, "That's none of your business."

Right after that he walked away.

Copeland told INSIDE EDITION that he cooperated with the Senate investigation, but the committee disagreed and said Copeland refused to provide the information it requested for its investigation. According to the committee, only two of the preachers did—Joyce Meyer and Benny Hinn. The committee recommended that the IRS look further into the matter.

Mr. "Spaceship Earth",
Do you suppose there may be a difference between a CHRISTIAN and a so called Christian? To be sure there is! How can one know which religion is right?
LOOK FOR THE ANSWER IN A FUTURE POSTING.
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#114149 Oct 7, 2013
How can a person know which religion is right?
(1) On what are its teachings based? Are they from God, or are they largely from men?(2 Tim. 3:16; Mark 7:7) Ask, for example: Where does the Bible teach that God is a Trinity? Where does it say that the human soul is immortal?
(2) Consider whether it is making known the name of God. Jesus said in prayer to God:“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.”(John 17:6) He declared:“It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”(Matt. 4:10) Has your religion taught you that ‘it is Jehovah you must worship’? Have you come to know the Person identified by that name—his purposes, his activities, his qualities—so that you feel you can confidently draw close to him?
(3) Is true faith in Jesus Christ being demonstrated? This involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of Jesus’ human life and of his position today as heavenly King.(John 3:36; Ps. 2:6-8) Such appreciation is shown by obeying Jesus—sharing personally and zealously in the work that he assigned to his followers. True religion has such faith that is accompanied by works.—Jas. 2:26.
(4) Is it largely ritualistic, a formality, or is it a way of life? God strongly disapproves of religion that is merely a formalism.(Isa. 1:15-17) True religion upholds the Bible’s standard of morality and clean speech instead of weakly going along with popular trends.(1 Cor. 5:9-13; Eph. 5:3-5) Its members reflect the fruits of God’s spirit in their lives.(Gal. 5:22, 23) So, those who adhere to true worship can be identified because they sincerely endeavor to apply Bible standards in their lives not only at their places of meeting but in their family life, at their secular work, in school, and in recreation.
(5) Do its members truly love one another? Jesus said:“By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”(John 13:35) Such love reaches across racial, social, and national boundaries, drawing people together in genuine brotherhood. So strong is this love that it sets them apart as being truly different. When the nations go to war, who have enough love for their Christian brothers in other lands that they refuse to take up arms and kill them? That is what early Christians did.
(6) Is it truly separate from the world? Jesus said that his true followers would be “no part of the world.”(John 15:19) To worship God in a manner that he approves requires that we keep ourselves “without spot from the world.”(Jas. 1:27) Can that be said of those whose clergy and other members are involved in politics, or whose lives are largely built around materialistic and fleshly desires?—1 John 2:15-17.
(7) Are its members active witnesses concerning God’s Kingdom? Jesus foretold:“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”(Matt. 24:14) What religion is really proclaiming God’s Kingdom as the hope of mankind instead of encouraging people to look to human rulership to solve their problems? Has your religion equipped you to share in this activity, and to do it from house to house as Jesus taught his apostles to do?—Matt. 10:7, 11-13; Acts 5:42; 20:20.
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#114150 Oct 7, 2013
How can a person know which religion is right?
(1) On what are its teachings based? Are they from God, or are they largely from men?(2 Tim. 3:16; Mark 7:7) Ask, for example: Where does the Bible teach that God is a Trinity? Where does it say that the human soul is immortal?
(2) Consider whether it is making known the name of God. Jesus said in prayer to God:“I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.”(John 17:6) He declared:“It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.”(Matt. 4:10) Has your religion taught you that ‘it is Jehovah you must worship’? Have you come to know the Person identified by that name—his purposes, his activities, his qualities—so that you feel you can confidently draw close to him?
(3) Is true faith in Jesus Christ being demonstrated? This involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of Jesus’ human life and of his position today as heavenly King.(John 3:36; Ps. 2:6-8) Such appreciation is shown by obeying Jesus—sharing personally and zealously in the work that he assigned to his followers. True religion has such faith that is accompanied by works.—Jas. 2:26.
(4) Is it largely ritualistic, a formality, or is it a way of life? God strongly disapproves of religion that is merely a formalism.(Isa. 1:15-17) True religion upholds the Bible’s standard of morality and clean speech instead of weakly going along with popular trends.(1 Cor. 5:9-13; Eph. 5:3-5) Its members reflect the fruits of God’s spirit in their lives.(Gal. 5:22, 23) So, those who adhere to true worship can be identified because they sincerely endeavor to apply Bible standards in their lives not only at their places of meeting but in their family life, at their secular work, in school, and in recreation.
(5) Do its members truly love one another? Jesus said:“By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”(John 13:35) Such love reaches across racial, social, and national boundaries, drawing people together in genuine brotherhood. So strong is this love that it sets them apart as being truly different. When the nations go to war, who have enough love for their Christian brothers in other lands that they refuse to take up arms and kill them? That is what early Christians did.
(6) Is it truly separate from the world? Jesus said that his true followers would be “no part of the world.”(John 15:19) To worship God in a manner that he approves requires that we keep ourselves “without spot from the world.”(Jas. 1:27) Can that be said of those whose clergy and other members are involved in politics, or whose lives are largely built around materialistic and fleshly desires?—1 John 2:15-17.
(7) Are its members active witnesses concerning God’s Kingdom? Jesus foretold:“This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.”(Matt. 24:14) What religion is really proclaiming God’s Kingdom as the hope of mankind instead of encouraging people to look to human rulership to solve their problems? Has your religion equipped you to share in this activity, and to do it from house to house as Jesus taught his apostles to do?—Matt. 10:7, 11-13; Acts 5:42; 20:20.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#114151 Oct 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I made my allegations based on circumstantial evidence that I was able to glean from the postings on this thread.
Now , you all can let me know why one would register and hide their location. What is the purpose of hiding your location?
As I understand it , one's location is not hidden automatically.
One can choose to disclose their location or keep it secret.
If you wanted to prove me wrong , all you have to do is ,disclose your location.
I don't hide mine . you all know where I post from.
The fact that one of the former participants denied using more than one hidden moniker and ultimately admitting to having used 6 hidden monikers only adds fuel to the fire.
Having said that , you are all making a mountain out of a molehill.
To hide your monokers and post under different monikers is neither illegal or immoral.
At least not to my knowledge.
I brought it up as a topic of discussion and did not believe it would raise such a ruckus.
So , you may choose to disclose your location, or you may choose not to.
To tell you the honest truth (which I habitually do), I hide my location because you are not the only stark raving lunatic on the internet that I distrust. Can't say that I'll weep if that leads you feel even less special than you are.
If you think that somebody is using multiple aliases, you're right - but those would be SistaO'Reillymajority and YaAI'mStupid.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#114152 Oct 7, 2013
well now wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is, although you are right, most of the people do not read or learn on their own. They only know what the preacher saids, they do not comprehend.
It took me two readings to half way understand, but it wasn't until I read it as a History of God, and the people he chose to bless, their failings, and the Need for Christ, did I get to 75% understanding... Then I read more!
If people cannot "SEE' the evil around us... they're to close to it!
Killing Babies in the mothers womb... clear sign we've crapped in our mess-gear!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#114153 Oct 7, 2013
Apostle Amber wrote:
Jesus discussed scriptures as a young boy while in his fathers house with the scribes just as I feel our children should do to be prepared for whatever this world throws at them too if they read the bible and are free to discuss it like he did.
I would think every one of us knowing of God in our hearts because of the new covenant can express him liberally wherever we are and seek to please him as Christ did.
We have all sinned and need to accept Christ's forgiveness and grace but people stray so far away from the love of God that they are blind, dumb and deaf, even by choice in creating false fears to justify hiding their sin. When coming to Christ casts down fear even the fear of death.
It is because of this worlds meaningless distractions that neither produce fruit of the Spirit nor does the world provide a way like Christ does to be rich toward God.
It would've been good to give children the keys to true knowledge found in Gods word a long time ago instead of jumping all over prayer in school, Jesus said “When you pray, go to your room and close the door”(I believe prayer is individually shared between me and God but I do ask Jesus as my high priest and the Holy Spirit to help me).
Having the bible available to all in school and everywhere allows everyone to freely discuss the truths of life with each other and make well informed decisions on the paths they take in their own lives.
I believe you should give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods whereas Caesar requires certain practices be met under guides lines but not to kneel down to an idol to do it or agree to false teachings because of pressure of an authority figure. Christian fellowship is wherever two or more are gathered together and it is in worshipping the true God of the bible.
Encouraging open discussion about the goodness of Gods love is better than living our children's lives for them only to have them rebel away once someone shows them only half truths or gives them false faith in worldly gain and pride.
Great post!
God Bless!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#114154 Oct 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
YaA, when you are (so often) out of your depth you should refrain from calling others "ignorant." It is clear that he was referring to the late Second Temple period. Herod and his subjects, the Kohanim and the Pharisees, Zealots, Sadducees, Essenes,... not just the handful of individual Jews you slaver over by name because they are in the NT.
(and before you start - no, Clueless George, I am still not M.D.)
I've posted MANY things like this on this site...
http://thebibletrial.com/
Read, and learn!

then search for more, repeat!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#114155 Oct 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you mean the couple hundred "prophecies" that are so obscure and arbitrary that they could as easily mean "dogs will lay eggs in Chicago during the third full moon of August" or the handful that were specifically contrived when the Bible was compiled?
Either way, your post is complete Nonsense.
Ok....
If you want to be ignorant on purpose...
so be it!

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