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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 167836 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114041 Oct 4, 2013
kejgkejgqggggbeqr wrote:
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Slander? Really? I was born in that cult. There are a lot of times that the justice system steps in and orders a blood transfusion despite the parent's plea to let their child die. All anyone has to do is Google "JW Conti" and watch my words turn to truth or Google "Silent Lamb" and listen to real life stories of what I say. You scream slander because you have nothing else to scream.
You know, I typed in something that was rude, showed my hate for your child abusing cult but I deleted it and instead I will leave you with this. Get out man, do a little research and read some things that they forbid you to read. If your faith is so strong and you can not be moved then read Franz's book, Crisis of Conscience. He was a member of the Governing Body, he was there and his book isn't bashing the JW's it's his story on why he finally had enough and left.
I was once like you man however I'm not so proud to say I was wrong. This generation will not pass away before the end comes or the millions now living will never die. You know they were wrong but yet for many. many years this was their selling point at all the doors. I hope you quit wasting your life and I hope the best for you. You won't believe how green the grass is over here.
In Jesus name amen.
I have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses for over 40 years, I know first hand of the Apostate information out there. Some love to publish anything they think will sell. They should show up on American Greed!
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#114042 Oct 4, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
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You're so stupid that you cannot answer the question about the buddist having faith.
My point is I don't believe a quack like you and your sorry ass preaching anymore than you believe the Pope dumb ass.
Heinz 57 , They left the cap off the bottle when they tipped you upside down. As a result , that runny ketchup that passes for your brain has drained out unto the floor.
You wanna know if a Budhist has faith ,then ,ask a budhist , you nincompoop...
BTW the point or your point as the case might be , is in your head. Testa di cipolla ben y ca
kejgkejgqggggbeq r

Somerset, KY

#114043 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
Known Fact wrote:
Is a transfusion really the same as eating blood?
In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intravenously. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to “keep abstaining from ... blood”?(Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obedient if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
‘But we do allow them to have transfusions—the safer kind. We accept the kind of transfusions that don’t carry the risk of such things as AIDS, hepatitis, and malaria. We want the best treatment for our children, as I am sure that any loving parent would.’
The JWs allow fractions of blood but not all of the blood. What is the difference between taking part of the blood or all of the blood? The only reason the JWs allow fractions is to avoid lawsuits. It's funny how you're not allowed to go to college to become a lawyer yet they hire all kinds of lawyers to protect them from losing that free money coming in.

Seriously man, sit back and think about some of their teachings, look at what they flipped flopped over. Back in the day a woman could not divorce their JW husband if he had gay sex or had a little bestiality problem. They just call it the bright got brighter instead of we just got caught with our pants down and we were wrong again.

How in clear conscience can you repeat the JW's lies?
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114044 Oct 4, 2013
kejgkejgqggggbeqr wrote:
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If a doctor told you to stop drinking, if you used some alcohol on a cut would you be considered drinking? Your example is wrong, it's just what they tell you to say.
How do you eat your steak? I like mine medium rare, closer to the rare side. That has a little blood in it and do the JWs consider it wrong, hell no they don't. You want to know why? Because the GB hasn't told you yet that you must eat your meat well done.
That same doctor that told you to quit drinking will use alcohol on you for other reasons. To let little children die because of that is just cruel. You worship man, the GB and not God. To say God would rather a child die than get a blood transfusion is not a God that needs worshiped.
Would you let your child die if a blood transfusion would save their life? Would you?
There is no guarantee that a transfusion will save a life. Why don't you publish information on how many have been killed by giving a transfusion? WHY?
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114045 Oct 4, 2013
I can understand your point of view. I suppose you are imagining your own child in that situation. As parents we would do everything possible to safeguard our child’s welfare, wouldn’t we? So if folks like you and me were going to refuse some sort of medical treatment for our child, there would certainly have to be some compelling reason for it. Do you think that some parents might be influenced by what God’s Word says here at Acts 15:28, 29?’ So the question is, Do we have enough faith to do what God commands?’
kejgkejgqggggbeq r

Somerset, KY

#114046 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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I have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses for over 40 years, I know first hand of the Apostate information out there. Some love to publish anything they think will sell. They should show up on American Greed!
You should see red flags when someone tells you not to listen to the opposition. You go around telling people why they need to change their religion, you encourage them to ask questions about their religion, to look at your literature and look for what their religion has done wrong. Yet when someone points out the flaws in the JW religion, shows scripture that contradicts their teachings and just use common sense to show why you shouldn't let your child die if they need blood, you won't listen.

Anyone who doesn't agree with everything the GB teaches is considered an Apostate and you automatically dismiss everything that they say. Can you not see how easy it is for them to control you? Did you not think Armageddon would already be here? Did they not get some dates wrong and make a false prophesy about "this generation?"

Why will you never answer my questions?
kejgkejgqggggbeq r

Somerset, KY

#114047 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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There is no guarantee that a transfusion will save a life. Why don't you publish information on how many have been killed by giving a transfusion? WHY?
Yeah some might die but compared to the lives saved to those that are lost then there is no comparison. They don't have blood drives because they want to kill people do they?

This s a perfect example of why you should read things other than the magazines you peddle at doors. The JWs tell horror stories of children that would of died no matter what or some freak story where the kid didn't take blood and actually survived. That kid then becomes proof that God saved him even tho God didn't save the other thousand kids that died.

Do your own research man, the information is out there.
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114048 Oct 4, 2013
As far as blood transfusions see Leviticus 17:11-14 No soul of YOU must eat blood and no alien resident who is residing as an alien in YOUR midst should eat blood.”
and Acts 15: 28,29 ;For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 ;to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and FROM BLOOD and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
Notice the Bible put Transfusions and eating blood in bad company right along with idol worship and fornication.

Why would the Bible say to abstain from blood and then conclude by saying, "Good health to you? You are not the only one who thinks you/they know more than God.
kejgkejgqggggbeq r

Somerset, KY

#114049 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
I can understand your point of view. I suppose you are imagining your own child in that situation. As parents we would do everything possible to safeguard our child’s welfare, wouldn’t we? So if folks like you and me were going to refuse some sort of medical treatment for our child, there would certainly have to be some compelling reason for it. Do you think that some parents might be influenced by what God’s Word says here at Acts 15:28, 29?’ So the question is, Do we have enough faith to do what God commands?’
"In former times thousands of youths died for putting God first. They are still doing it, only today the drama is played out in hospitals and courtrooms, with blood transfusions the issue."--AWAKE! May 22, 1994, page 2. http://www.cftf.com/comments/kidsdied.html

You take these dead kids and act like they are Jesus who "supposedly" gave his life as well.

Why do JW kids die without a blood transfusion when they alone....they alone....their religion and no other religion is the only one that refuses blood transfusions? Why can't your God save them but a doctor can?

Wake up man and see what's going on around you.

Would you let your child die if a blood transfusion would save his life? Would you refuse the transfusion no matter what? Would you?

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#114050 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses publish a book titled: "WHAT DOES THE BIBLE REALLY TEACH?"
You would do well to obtain a free copy and read it with an open mind or you can go on line to www.jw.org/publications and you can read it on line.
Enjoy
I have a good friend who was a JW. Trust me, I know what you teach. I also know he was told he could not remain my friend unless I converted. So, he left them.
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114051 Oct 4, 2013
kejgkejgqggggbeqr wrote:
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You should see red flags when someone tells you not to listen to the opposition. You go around telling people why they need to change their religion, you encourage them to ask questions about their religion, to look at your literature and look for what their religion has done wrong. Yet when someone points out the flaws in the JW religion, shows scripture that contradicts their teachings and just use common sense to show why you shouldn't let your child die if they need blood, you won't listen.
Anyone who doesn't agree with everything the GB teaches is considered an Apostate and you automatically dismiss everything that they say. Can you not see how easy it is for them to control you? Did you not think Armageddon would already be here? Did they not get some dates wrong and make a false prophesy about "this generation?"
Why will you never answer my questions?
If Jesus' disciples got some expectations wrong would you call them false prophets?

I will answer your question with a question: So the question is, Do we have enough faith to do what God commands?

The End!
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114052 Oct 4, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I have a good friend who was a JW. Trust me, I know what you teach. I also know he was told he could not remain my friend unless I converted. So, he left them.
That is not true!

There is an old saying when someone says TRUST ME don't you trust them. Try again!

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#114053 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
Known Fact wrote:
Is a transfusion really the same as eating blood?
In a hospital, when a patient cannot eat through his mouth, he is fed intravenously. Now, would a person who never put blood into his mouth but who accepted blood by transfusion really be obeying the command to “keep abstaining from ... blood”?(Acts 15:29) To use a comparison, consider a man who is told by the doctor that he must abstain from alcohol. Would he be obedient if he quit drinking alcohol but had it put directly into his veins?
‘But we do allow them to have transfusions—the safer kind. We accept the kind of transfusions that don’t carry the risk of such things as AIDS, hepatitis, and malaria. We want the best treatment for our children, as I am sure that any loving parent would.’
I think adult JWs should be allowed to refuse a blood transfusion, but they should not be allowed to deny their children one during an emergency.

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#114054 Oct 4, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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That is not true!
There is an old saying when someone says TRUST ME don't you trust them. Try again!
Yes, it's true. He was told he could not remain my friend if I didn't convert. So, he quit. Which part of that are you claiming isn't true?
kejgkejgqggggbeq r

Somerset, KY

#114055 Oct 4, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I think adult JWs should be allowed to refuse a blood transfusion, but they should not be allowed to deny their children one during an emergency.
100% agree, let the adults do what they want. They should not be allowed to let their children die tho.

Sometimes the courts will step in and order a blood transfusion anyway. We were always told as young children that if this happened then we would fight back the same way as if we were being raped. I found this out of an old Watchtower magazine I found online.

Watchtower 91 15th June pages 15-18 Walk as Instructed by Jehovah

Paragraph 17

'DP testified she would resisist having a blood transfusion in any way she could. She considered a transfusion an invasion of her body and compared it to rape.'

Paragraph 18

'L has told this court clearly and in a matter-of-fact way that , if an attempt is made to transfuse her with blood, she will fight that transfusion with all of the strength that she can muster. She has said, and I believe her, that she will scream ans struggle and that she will pull the injecting device out of her arm and will attempt to destroy the blood in the bag over her head.'

Paragraph 11

'Christian parents ought to consider that seriously, for some parents seem to have a mistaken attitude about their children and blood. Some appear to feel that they do not really have much control over whether their minor children are given a transfusion. Why this mistaken view?'
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114056 Oct 4, 2013
BLOOD TRANSFUSSION
If the Christian disciple Luke were back here on earth by a resurrection of the dead, what would he do? Luke accompanied Paul, who called him “Luke the beloved physician.” Would he join medics today in giving transfusions? The Bible answer must be No! This very Luke was the Bible writer who reported for us the decree of the Christian Council of Jerusalem, quoting from it three times.
This decree, as reported by Luke, said to non-Jewish Christians “to keep yourselves free ... from blood.” It made no exception for Physician Luke or medical doctors. It did not say, Keep yourselves free from blood except in the case of a transfusion administered by a competent medical doctor; or except on orders from a lawmaking body or from a legal judge who shoves aside the required “due process of law” and becomes a law to himself and arbitrarily declares a state of emergency and orders the appealing doctor to give a transfusion over the religious objections of the patient. The Apostolic Christian Council forbade “blood,” without differentiating human blood from animal blood, unqualified!
Doctor Luke, who traveled with the apostle Paul through ancient Greece, doubtless knew that the Greeks drank blood in order to have a blood relationship with the demons for the sake of learning what the future held for them. Doctor Luke must have observed that drinking animal blood served to infuse into the drinker beastly qualities like those of the animal donors. But better than Doctor Luke, Jehovah God knew the effect of taking another creature’s blood into one’s body, whether by eating or drinking it or by transfusing it. He doubtless forbade it for more reasons than that the life is in the blood and that taking blood means taking life to at least some degree. This was suggested by the Watch Tower magazine long ago. Its article “Settling Doctrinal Differences,” under date of April 15, 1909, on page 117, said regarding the decree of the Jerusalem Council on blood:
“To the Jew it was forbidden, and under his covenant it was made a symbol of life—to partake of it would imply responsibility for the life taken. Moreover, in the typical ceremonies of the Law the prohibited blood was used as a symbol representing the sin-offering; for by the blood atonement for sins was effected. To emphasize these typical lessons the Jews had been forbidden to use blood. And there may be other, sanitary, reasons connected with the matter, which are not yet known to us.”
Today, fifty-eight years since then, those reasons are becoming more and more known because of medical experiences with the widespread use of transfusions. Now, what would you think of a modern medical practice that, in one year, directly kills 16,000 in a land, and leaves still more thousands infected with deadly diseases, while at the same time other thousands survive the process? That is the case with the practice of blood transfusion.
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114057 Oct 4, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Yes, it's true. He was told he could not remain my friend if I didn't convert. So, he quit. Which part of that are you claiming isn't true?
The part where you say, "he could not be your friend if you did not convert". We do not use such leverage as such to gain converts!
Conversion is between you and God!
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114058 Oct 4, 2013
One more thing about transfusions---You have to sign a statement of consent today before the medical professional can administer a transfusion!
Too many peoples know the risks and look for a reason to sue for malpractice!
Known Fact

Orlando, FL

#114059 Oct 4, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I have a good friend who was a JW. Trust me, I know what you teach. I also know he was told he could not remain my friend unless I converted. So, he left them.
Here is more proof: NOTICE THE LAST PARAGRAPH!

What Is a Bible Study?
Jehovah’s Witnesses offer a Bible study program that answers many questions, including:
• Who is God?
• Does God really care about me?
• How can I improve my marriage?
• How can I find happiness in life?
Below you will find answers to frequently asked questions about our Bible study program.
What is the format of the study course? We take such topics as “God” or “marriage” and examine different Bible verses that relate to the subject. By comparing them, we see what the Bible as a whole says about the topic, and in this way we let the Bible interpret itself.
To assist us in studying the Bible, we use the book What Does the Bible Really Teach? This book clearly presents, among other subjects, what the Bible really says about God, Jesus, and our future.
How much does a Bible study cost? The study is free, and there is no charge for the study material.
How long are the study sessions? Many people set aside an hour or so each week to study the Bible with us. But the length of the study is flexible. We’ll adapt it to your schedule.
What happens when I request a Bible study? When you request a Bible study, one of Jehovah’s Witnesses will visit you at a time and place convenient for you. He or she will take a few minutes to demonstrate our study program. If you like it, you can continue.

NOTICE:
If I accept a Bible study, do I have to become one of Jehovah’s Witnesses? No. Jehovah’s Witnesses love teaching people about the Bible, but we never force anyone to become a member of our religion. Rather, we respectfully present what the Bible says, recognizing that each person has the right to choose what he or she will believe.—1 Peter 3:15.

Go on line to: www jw.org to make a request for a Bible study.
SistaNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#114060 Oct 5, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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So if "100 percent of Americans have some sort of issue," why do you give Congress a break because "I would NEVER merely ASSUME or broadbrush paint them all with such a single stupid stroke, let alone condemn based upon Nothing but IGNORANT assumption."
Could you at least TRY to be consistant in your rantings.
I notice you just oppose anything, regardless of what the person is saying.
Me: "The sky is blue today."
You: "No! It isn't! I would never make that ignorant assumption!"
Repeat-
1. Because I personally do not KNOW "Congress", Congress is an entity comprised of MANY.
2. Because they have had to deal with such INEPTNESS of nothing but megalomaniac, ego tripping, Constitutional breaching, idiot thugs at the helms for the last five years, it's NO damn wonder it's in the MESS that it is.

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