Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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<quoted text>LOL
Any Christ follower can make Holy water...
You Bless it!
Fact is...
Nothing is said about Holy water in the KJV...
Oil? That's another thing!
Good day to ya :-)
So nothing is said in the bible you think is perfect, yet for some reason you feel you know how to make holy water. So how do you get this information?

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<quoted text>"Given time and environment", and a whole lot of imagination!
Never happened, never will!
"genetic line"... same Creator!
Without imagination one would think like an animal. It is what separates us from other animals. With evidence and the ability to connect the dots(imagination) we would have zero technology.
We know the earth has been here for four and a half billion years. That is a great amount of time. We know through hard evidence life has been here for over three billion of those years. That is a great amount if time. We know with hard evidence species have come and gone many times in this span of time. Many if not all of the species are strikingly similar to others. They look to be related in close ways in a pattern that looks as if one species lead to the other.
Now your imagination may be hindered to connect the dots in this pattern. Likely due to indoctrination, from all appearances.

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<quoted text>That was your answer!
Jesus said it!
Your house was built on the sand, and has fallen!
Of course... How could I expect you to understand?
You call that an answer? Then no, you will never help me to understand.

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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So nothing is said in the bible you think is perfect, yet for some reason you feel you know how to make holy water. So how do you get this information?
Holy water, oil, wine, peyote and I suppose you could pray over crystal meth and bless a leukotome as a sacred tool of God.

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My response is utter disgust that you and yours would connive and construe an irrelevant Bible >story< as support of a thoroughly despicable JW policy. Where is "God's angelic representative" while a woman is being raped with a knife at her throat? Where is the Christian "love" in compounding a woman's shame and trauma? You consider disfellowshipping to be some warped tough love? I think it's just a way for your abominable leaders to shun someone they consider despoiled and unclean. My response is that I hope there is a God and a Lake of Fire for you and your GB to answer to.
"Known fact"(ironic) is clearly avoiding a direct answer. I assume this is due to his innate understanding of how wrong this is to do.
What is mind boggling is how certain "sins" these churches view as unforgivable.
How could excommunication be a moral solution?
Perfect example of how religion closes the mind to questioning the morality of their dogma.

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Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>LOL
Any Christ follower can make Holy water...
You Bless it!
Fact is...
Nothing is said about Holy water in the KJV...
Oil? That's another thing!
Good day to ya :-)
I was in a restaurant a couple months back and a family prayed over their meal.(I have no problem with that, btw.) Your post just got me to wondering - would the blessed bottles of Heinz 57(r) and Tabasco(r) left on the table then be defiled by Muslims and atheists who ate at that table later? How should the wait staff have properly disposed of it, then? Would it be considered a hazmat to Catholics, mummies and vampires?

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"Spaceship earth",
You seem to indicate that it is OK to violate God's law if the persons life is in danger example if a rapist has a weapon.
By the same reasoning the three Hebrews should have bowed down to a Babylonian image. After all the king threatened to have them burned alive in a fiery furnace.
Abednego (Azariah), along with his two Hebrew companions, was subsequently denounced before the king by certain Chaldeans for refusing to bow down to the king’s golden image in response to particular music.(Da 3:5, 8, 12) When they were questioned by the enraged king, their firm refusal to violate their conscience and their expression of faith in Jehovah resulted in the king’s having them thrown into a superheated furnace, where they were miraculously protected by God’s angelic representative. Following their release by the shaken king, and after members of the royal court saw that the three men had escaped unharmed, they were restored to royal favor.—Da 3:15-30
What is your response?
Does god come to help these women from being raped if they yell out? Surely not. Your god supposedly has the power to help, but he refuses.
Would you refuse stopping a rape? Surely you would understand refusal to help is immoral.

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<quoted text>"Known fact"(ironic) is clearly avoiding a direct answer. I assume this is due to his innate understanding of how wrong this is to do.
What is mind boggling is how certain "sins" these churches view as unforgivable.
How could excommunication be a moral solution?
Perfect example of how religion closes the mind to questioning the morality of their dogma.
I cannot keep from sneering at the suggestion that dogma.

And morality can coexist in the same sentence.

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I cannot keep from sneering at the suggestion that dogma.
And morality can coexist in the same sentence.
My main point all along on this thread; the bible and all religious texts and dogma are not by definition, the absolute authority on morality. It closes the mind to questioning the morality as it does with all its claims. It demands absolute blind faith to the claims of morality. It claims those who question the authority will be punished.
It is clearly a tool for the powers of government or other men of power over the people. It silences the opposition. It is a tool of a dictatorship.
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<quoted text>You deserve a foul mouth once in a while due to your foul posts. You are a jerk but that word is to soft to describe how you actually are.
A fool calls people fools for simply not believing your insane story. But again, fool does not cut it. You are a giant asshole. I stand by my words.
Such rudeness , such anger ,such vitriol.
You have become uncorked , like a whiskey jug AT AN ALCOHOLICS GATHERING.
Stand by whatever you wanna stand.
If you wanna stand by Giant a holes you have many in your community to choose from.......
No wonder that Topix banned you from posting under your other monikers. LOL

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<quoted text>My main point all along on this thread; the bible and all religious texts and dogma are not by definition, the absolute authority on morality. It closes the mind to questioning the morality as it does with all its claims. It demands absolute blind faith to the claims of morality. It claims those who question the authority will be punished.
It is clearly a tool for the powers of government or other men of power over the people. It silences the opposition. It is a tool of a dictatorship.
Agreed, and there is no shortage of rubes who are ready, willing and able to be mindless dolts and minions.
To any who are willing to be honest with themselves and others, it is obvious that the dogmas and doctrines of religion are false - perhaps less at their origins, but with absolute certainty and absurdity after being augmented by the bulwarks and bollocks of theist authorities, councils, and "scholars." Blind faith is nothing but stark raving fear slathered with a generous veneer of fools' gold grandeur.
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Agreed, and there is no shortage of rubes who are ready, willing and able to be mindless dolts and minions.
To any who are willing to be honest with themselves and others, it is obvious that the dogmas and doctrines of religion are false - perhaps less at their origins, but with absolute certainty and absurdity after being augmented by the bulwarks and bollocks of theist authorities, councils, and "scholars." Blind faith is nothing but stark raving fear slathered with a generous veneer of fools' gold grandeur.
Might I make a suggestion?
Since you ,Duquette , Q , Witchetty ,Spacedout, Lodi and others feel so strongly about your opinions ,why don't you get involved politically and run an Atheist for national office instead of wasting your time posting nonsense on Topix.
On the other hand , since your views are so diametrically opposed to the majority of Americans , your candidate would be soundly trounced.
All studies indicate that Atheists are the most distrusted group in america , bar none.
The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota, which found that atheists ranked lower than "Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry." The results from two of the most important questions were:


This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society...
Atheist: 39.6%
Muslims: 26.3%
Homosexuals: 22.6%
Hispanics: 20%
Conservative Christians: 13.5%
Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
Jews: 7.6%

I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....
Atheist: 47.6%
Muslim: 33.5%
African-American 27.2%
Asian-Americans: 18.5%
Hispanics: 18.5%
Jews: 11.8%
Conservative Christians: 6.9%
Whites: 2.3%

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Be kind, WitW. The hell of addiction takes no imagination - whether it's addiction to drugs or religion.
He HAS to believe in the Christ superhuman mythos or the bad things that lurk outside his hut at night will steal his soul while he dreams.
Awww, my bad. You are right.
He is compelled by his self to be an idiot.

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Might I make a suggestion?
Since you ,Duquette , Q , Witchetty ,Spacedout, Lodi and others feel so strongly about your opinions ,why don't you get involved politically and run an Atheist for national office instead of wasting your time posting nonsense on Topix.
On the other hand , since your views are so diametrically opposed to the majority of Americans , your candidate would be soundly trounced.
All studies indicate that Atheists are the most distrusted group in america , bar none.
The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota, which found that atheists ranked lower than "Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in 'sharing their vision of American society.' Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry." The results from two of the most important questions were:
This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society...
Atheist: 39.6%
Muslims: 26.3%
Homosexuals: 22.6%
Hispanics: 20%
Conservative Christians: 13.5%
Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
Jews: 7.6%
I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....
Atheist: 47.6%
Muslim: 33.5%
African-American 27.2%
Asian-Americans: 18.5%
Hispanics: 18.5%
Jews: 11.8%
Conservative Christians: 6.9%
Whites: 2.3%
Watch these numbers change over the next 10 years.

Atheists are becoming more vocal and more active in our communities.

Like any minority group, we have to educate the public so that they don't fear what they don't understand.

Btw, MY answer to both of those questions would be "fundamental Christians."
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<quoted text>I call hypocrite when you are contradicting something you said. Of course you do not have enough sense to compute this, and just think I am saying it for no reason.
Try not being such a dick.
Common sense is a misnomer.
Get real Duquette.

(wah wah wah, we po'...plz send us all your states federal tax dolluhs, plus a few others AND now, yew private sector payrolls and don't be picking at us!)

UNREAL.
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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Hypocrite seems so appropriate when you contradict what you say. Can you think of a better word? Sorry I do not have sentence long name calling tangents like yourself that have no actual application to the subject.
Common sense is a misnomer.
and for once, would you please supply a rational reference and reason,80 as to your benign OVER usage of the H word?

Thank you.
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Watch these numbers change over the next 10 years.
Atheists are becoming more vocal and more active in our communities.
Like any minority group, we have to educate the public so that they don't fear what they don't understand.
Btw, MY answer to both of those questions would be "fundamental Christians."
There is no reason to believe things will change over the next 10 years. The study clearly shows that Americans are in total disagreement with what Atheism represents.
They are more disliked now than they were 30 years ago.

Every single study that has ever looked at the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is the least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential election. It's not just that atheists are disliked, though, but also that atheists seem to represent everything about modernity which Americans dislike or fear.

Lead researcher Penny Edgell said that she was surprised by this: "We thought that in the wake of 9/11, people would target Muslims. Frankly, we expected atheists to be a throwaway group." Nevertheless, the numbers are so extreme that she was led to conclude that they are "a glaring exception to the rule of increasing tolerance over the last 30 years." It's not that bigotry and discrimination against Muslims is appropriate, but at least it's not hard to understand where such attitudes would come from.

Every group except atheists is being shown much greater tolerance and acceptance than 30 years ago. "Our analysis shows that attitudes about atheists have not followed the same historical pattern as that for previously marginalized religious groups. It is possible that the increasing tolerance for religious diversity may have heightened awareness of religion itself as the basis for solidarity in American life and sharpened the boundary between believers and nonbelievers in our collective imagination."
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<quoted text>Here we go, the typical tea party republican comparing Obama to hitler. Next you will be comparing him to Osama like fellow theist/republican YaA.
Fanatics.
Umm no...obl didn't seem quite as delusional.
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<quoted text>Over a decade? You mean he changed his affiliation? Likely due to being called out for lying about it.
Bill's opinion is a republican opinion. He patted Bush on the back for every move he made. He pushed the agenda for war in Iraq. He pushed the agenda for the patriot act.
At least Msnbc people complain Obama does not repeal it. Msnbc is liberal, but they don't cover for Obama on every move as fix did for Bush.
O'Rielly sounds even MORE logical to me now-especially since it looks like this opotus is determined to absolutely drain the givverment AND health care providers now as well.

I knows of a statue in Manhatten fo'sale...fo' the general public the opening bid is 10 mil. Fo'yo...1 mil.... Cause o' some of dem dare "speshull discounts" wink wink....
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Thus, the national debt has increased by $6.1 trillion under Obama — the largest increase to date under any president and a reflection in part of the deep recession early in his first term. The next-highest was the $4.9 trillion added to the debt during the eight-year presidency of George W. Bush.
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Yes and Amen wrote:
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Any Christ follower can make Holy water...
You Bless it!
Fact is...
Nothing is said about Holy water in the KJV...
Oil? That's another thing!
Good day to ya :-)
You know what YaA, it was very nice to read you say that...for some very special reasons..thank you...you made my day!!:-)

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