Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#113915 Oct 3, 2013
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/religious-people-are...

http://onefuriousllama.com/2011/09/11/another...

http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.h...

Just a small sample of the many reasons why the holyhatebible should not be in public schools.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#113916 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
Continued from the above.
Since you neither believe in god or his teachings ,therefore you are the least qualified to pass judgement.
When you get an opportunity ,talk to the Witchetty and set her straight.
Too many splinters from the way she rides her broom
have affected her mental capacity
lol

Amen.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#113917 Oct 3, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Strange. I wouldn't trust you, sista, or yaa to do anything for me.
You all have an agenda and you don't care how you achieve it.
I would trust Mike, lol, and Chrom since they are intelligent, thoughtful, honest individuals.
<quoted text>
Ummm, just a wild guess here but how about the people who obey the civil laws of the land. Not people who look to a moldy old book written by primitive tribesmen.
<quoted text>
No, this is how human nature works. Christians do what they want, then apologize for it, putting the blame on their "sinful nature."
"It's not my fault, Yahweh. The devil made me do it."
Jesus took all your sins on himself? The archetypal scapegoat.
What are synonyms for "scapegoat?"
fall guy..chump..doormat..dupe..
fool..goat..gull..mark..patsy. .
pigeon..pushover..*sacrifice*. .sap..
schmuck..stooge..sucker..victi m..weakling
Hardly flattering, huh?
<quoted text>
Right.
Christian: "Oops, so sorry, Yahweh. I didn't mean to kill that guy in a fit of righteous rage, but I know you'll forgive me.Thanks and now I'll just get on with my life and hope the police don't find out I did it."
<quoted text>
LOL! You've never seen it so of course it didn't happen?
Funny how you choose which "unseen" things you will believe and which you won't.
<quoted text>
Yes it is and god-followers are the worse offenders.
<quoted text>
As a child, we fear the wrath of our elders, so we make excuses.
As ADULTS, we own our mistakes.
The problem is that so many don't want to grow up.
Religion provides an easy out. "Not my fault, just my sinful nature."
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There doesn't need to be special recognition for doing what is decent.
It is to be EXPECTED of adult.
Unfortunately, standards are set too low.
Speak for yourself-my standards are fine.

REAL grown ups have NO problem acknowledging the fact- NONE of us are perfect. Including YOU and ones like yourself.

Don't like it? Too bad.

NO ONE is perfect. NO ONE.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113918 Oct 3, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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That's right, honey. You find a survey that supports what you want to be true and hang on to it like a dog with an old bone, no matter how ridiculous you look. If it makes you feel better about your bigotry.....oh well.
<quoted text>
I didn't say we didn't need LAWS, did I?
A healthy society requires laws. CIVIL laws, not religious ones.
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BS. This has been disproven so many times. Pay attention.
Let's take a good look at those 10 "commandments."
#1 -- No other gods? Religious freedom.
#2 -- Graven images?(Been inside a church lately?)
#3 -- Lords name in vain? hardly.
#4 -- Sabbath? 99% of the population would be imprisoned or worse.
#5 -- How about not respecting your mom and dad? nope.
#7 -- Is adultery illegal? nope.
#9 -- Lies? Not illegal outside of when you specifically swear not to lie.
#10-- Coveting? Nothing illegal about wanting provided you don't steal.
Only #6 and #8... murder and stealing... are civil LAWS.
Those go back farther, much farther (to 1772 BCE in Babylonia) to The Code of Hammurabi.
A civilized society does not tolerate murder and stealing.
<quoted text>
I can't speak for all atheists (as you seem to think that you can) but I think the majority would say “What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.” Confucius (551-479 BC). Which was also way before "do unto others...., you'll notice.
The Scientific study I quoted was performed by a reputable university and those in charge of the study are well qualified to perform said study.
The fact that the results confirm beliefs that you find objectionable in no way detracts from it's validity.
You may not endorse the results, but you have no evidence to negate the validity of said results.
Again I repeat , The study states that nonbelievers find believers to be more trustworthy than nonbelievers.
can you tell me why that is so?
That Christianity's teachings and belief in God has played a prominent role in Western civilizastion's moral and legal code ,in the way we treat the poor and less fortunate ,love for our neighbors ,our education and health system , charitable organizations and form of government is obvious.
Your belief that human nature is not corrupt ,but is instead a mechanism for survival ,is not supported by human behaviour or our moral code.
You say that lying is not against the law unless when lying under oath. OK So you justify lying ,unless you have taken an oath not to lie. " you called it an excuse"
Lying is lying ,regaardless of the ciecumstances. If not legally wrong ,then it is morally wrong.
not respecting your parents is not legally wrong , but it is morally wrong.
Adultery is not legally wrong, but it is morally wrong.
What I intepret your views to mean is that , any behaviour for which there is no civil law is acceptable to you.
I would assume that is the reason why you claim to not ever having done anything for which you need be ashamed.
Respect for your parents , being faithful to your spouse , not lusting after your neighbors wife are some of many of the moral rules that create a stable society and separate us from the animals
Your claim that you live by the rule" Do unto others as ye would have them do unto you" is hypocritical.
Your human nature contradicts the rule by which you claim to lead your life.
You make your own rules , you determine what is and is not acceptable behaviour based on your personal desires.
True that,under the guise of Christianity , abominable actions have taken place. Those abominations have not been based on the teachings of our Lord , Jesus Christ.
If we look at Atheist Governments , they , based on their human nature , have wreaked havoc in many societies.
China , Russia , North Korea , Cambodia etal.
For the sake of enhancing my limited education, Can you name the contributions made by Atheism to western culture?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113919 Oct 3, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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I notice you have no defense of your foolish beliefs, so you try to change the subject.
Using other languages only makes you appear foolish in other languages.
No games.(Like reading words backwards is difficult. Duh)
Either act like an adult and discuss the topic or go away.
By the way, to do the "reply and respond" thingy, simply begin the other person's quotes with [Q-U-O-T-E WHO="whoever"] and end their quotes with [/ Q-U-O-T-E](without the dashes and spaces, of course.
Glad I could help.
(I posted this earlier but it seems to have gotten lost in Topix If the other one shows up, I apologize for the double post.)
Hey , thanks , I needed that.

BTW glad your posting showed up.Glad it wasn't lost in topix.
For my benefit ,try and see if you can get lost in Topix.
Then you can start posting under your other monikerspecifically UMMM.
Why did they ban that particular moniker anyway?
Was it because of the double o's?
Obtuse and Obnoxious...
Don't take me seious ,just playing games with your mind.
It's my hobby.
I do ,however , appreciate the info you sent me on that quote business.
I tried it and my computer blew up.
I shoulda known.
Oyee , como estas brujita ?
Tienes tu escoba preparada para viajar durante Halloween?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113920 Oct 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
A survey is not strictly a "scientific study." The interpretation by an esteemed professor regarding a poll is more opinion than hard and fast black and white conclusion. Have you never heard that "Psychiatry is not an exact science"?
Do you choose to be selective in your understanding of social dynamics to prop up your assertions or are you merely incapable of discerning the various and embedded sociological factors? Either way, I surmise it would be a tedious and unfruitful chore to elaborate on them for you. For what reason would someone place an Icthys or a crucifix on their business advertisement? To promote an image of trustworthiness, of course - and being a long established practice, it is interwoven with the marketplace and hence, society. This transparent and overt usage is hardly askance of the study or "beyond comprehension." Do you find this use of the symbols acceptable when even the U.S. Flag Code prohibits the flag of being used for advertising? I've found that the more vocal the devout, the more difficult it is to determine the line between disingenuous and genuinely obtuse.(However, from exchanges with Topix Xtians and having been burned for $2,400 on a transmission from a fish and cross boasting shop owner, I'm leaning toward disingenuous.)
I do not attempt to push an atheistic 'belief'(whatever you think that is). I merely state my own disbelief in the wholesale and retail sets of FABRICATIONS that have been foisted upon the willing and hopeful drones.
I do not know why "they" attend religious services - the reasons could be assorted and surprising. Perhaps it is because of peer pressure, to accompany a family member or to appease and acquire contacts. Perhaps some are sincerely seeking a spiritual revelation. Does your >Bigotry and Prejudice< demand that you rail against them, too? On the positive side, you do realize that it indicates that a surprising number among the congregations are not dim enough to swallow what the clergy is dishing out?
There is no doubt in my mind that many out there are wolves in sheeps clothing.
As you know ,Jesus voiced his opinion on that particular issue.
To me , any time that a religious saying or a crucifix is placed on an advertisement , is like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
You need to watch out...That behaviour is not based on the teachings of Christ.
neither are many of the tactics used by some telvangelists.
I do not condone that type of behaviour.
I do not remember railing against those nonbelievers who choose to attend religious services.
Matter of fact ,if memory serves me correctly , I see that as a definite positive.

On the light side.
I finally came across one of those 3 eyed alligators you are so fond of mentioning.
Some believers were picnicking on lake apopka and the gator attacked them .
I finally had to wrestle him down and body slam him.
Upon questioning , he said he was acting on instructions given him by an individual who posts on Topix.
You know anything about that?
I suspect it was Q or the Witch.
Be sure to respond , we need to keep this thread from dying out.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113921 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so you wanna go there? Aright y then.
Not sure about you, but I'm perfectly happy being called nipple nose, the best place for my nose to be. I'll just put my face right in between my wife's 2 nipples and say ummmm, ummmm, good, cuz she's so good and being sooooo bad!!!
Now that you've opened up that avenue, I have a name that fits you perfectly! Dic Head
Touche ,It does fit me perfectly. My name is Richard Head.
my friends call me Dick.
Because of my size ,6ft.9 in. 320 lbs. some of my friends call me Big Dick
Kinda embarassing, especially in mixed company.
I am thrilled and overjoyed that you use your nose for more than a place to store your snots....But really,,That is more than I needed to know

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#113922 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Touche ,It does fit me perfectly. My name is Richard Head.
my friends call me Dick.
Because of my size ,6ft.9 in. 320 lbs. some of my friends call me Big Dick
Kinda embarassing, especially in mixed company.
I am thrilled and overjoyed that you use your nose for more than a place to store your snots....But really,,That is more than I needed to know
We call a guy we know, Tiny, and he's 6'8" and 400 lbs... Proly for the same reason you have your nic name.....
kejgkejgqggggbeq r

Somerset, KY

#113923 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Touche ,It does fit me perfectly. My name is Richard Head.
my friends call me Dick.
Because of my size ,6ft.9 in. 320 lbs. some of my friends call me Big Dick
Kinda embarassing, especially in mixed company.
I am thrilled and overjoyed that you use your nose for more than a place to store your snots....But really,,That is more than I needed to know
See what I mean about intelligent posts verses those of the religious Jesus junkies? Do What was by far the most respectful/intelligent poster I've seen in a while representing the religious side. You should try and follow their example and maybe someone might take you serious one day.

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#113924 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
HERE IS THE PROOF YOU REQUESTED.
If you can provide evidence to refute it do so.
If not , come in and get out of that kentucky rain. You are getting all wet.
The distrust of Atheists is not limited to believers.
Polls indicate that Nonbelievers trust believers more that they do Nonbelievers.
I find that to be amazing...
What would cause an Atheist to trust a believer more than he would a fellow Atheist?
There must be something inherent in Atheism that makes the Atheist feel veryh uncomfortable about trusting his own
Religious Believers Don’t Trust Atheists, Says New Study
By Kim Carollo
Dec 14, 2011 4:53pm
If an atheist ran for president, a recent poll suggests, he or she wouldn’t win many votes.
That might be at least partly because of the main reason religious people dislike atheists: They think nonbelievers can’t be trusted, according to a new study.
“Where there are religious majorities — that is, in most of the world — atheists are among the least trusted people,” said the study’s lead author, Will M. Gervais, a doctoral student at the University of British Columbia,
In six separate studies, the researchers asked 770 people – American adults and Canadian college students – a number of questions. In one study, when presented with a description of an untrustworthy person, participants said they believed that description represented atheists to a similar degree and wasn’t as representative of gays, feminists, Christians, Jews or Muslims.
Another co-author, the University of British Columbia’s Ara Norenzayan, said one of the reasons for doing the study was a recent poll that found that only 45 percent of Americans who responded would vote for an atheist presidential candidate. Those who were polled said atheists least represented their vision of America.
Atheists also tend to trust religious people more than they trust other atheists.
“Those people who did not identify with a religion still tended to find believers to be more trustworthy,” said the third co-author, Azim Shariff of the University of Oregon.
Note; The answer to your question is contained in those2 paragraphs
No.... wrong again, intentionally left out what this whole study is focusing on: 1) Bigotry 2)Prejudice .... Allow me to finish the study in it's entirety > Despite that, the study authors said these feelings toward atheists could be far-reaching.

“With more than half a billion atheists worldwide, this prejudice has the potential to affect a substantial number of people,” Gervais said.
Here's the link if the General Population wants to see the proof for themselves! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/14...

Nice try Curious! you flippin Moron

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#113925 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text> No.... wrong again, intentionally left out what this whole study is focusing on: 1) Bigotry 2)Prejudice .... Allow me to finish the study in it's entirety > Despite that, the study authors said these feelings toward atheists could be far-reaching.
“With more than half a billion atheists worldwide, this prejudice has the potential to affect a substantial number of people,” Gervais said.
Here's the link if the General Population wants to see the proof for themselves! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/14...
Nice try Curious! you flippin Moron
Thanks for the info.

I think the reason given in the study for atheist trusting them is on thin ice.

I can see why so many people fall prey to those who claim to have the Holy Ghost that gave them instructions to pass on to others.

Religious people fall prey to fortune tellers and those who claim to talk to their dead relatives on t.v. shows. They trust because of their indoctination not because of any critical thinking skills.

People no matter religious or atheist must earn the trust of others. No sky daddy needed. Read the stories of pastors screwing the flock and literally screwing some trusting members wife or kid.

I don't think the statement below is true in most cases.

"Atheists also tend to trust religious people more than they trust other atheists.

That’s because people trust “those who fear supernatural punishment,”

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#113926 Oct 3, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/relig ious-people-are-less-intellige nt-than-atheists--study-finds- -113350723.html
http://onefuriousllama.com/2011/09/11/another...
http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.h...
Just a small sample of the many reasons why the holyhatebible should not be in public schools.
Hi LOL. Hoyhatebible in schools teaching the earth is flat, only 6000 years old, doing back flips and speaking in tongues to get a passing grade. No thanks.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113927 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, so you wanna go there? Aright y then.
Not sure about you, but I'm perfectly happy being called nipple nose, the best place for my nose to be. I'll just put my face right in between my wife's 2 nipples and say ummmm, ummmm, good, cuz she's so good and being sooooo bad!!!
Now that you've opened up that avenue, I have a name that fits you perfectly! Dic Head
Hey knucklehead Lodi, My posting was addressed to your other moniker Spaceship earth. When you responded you forgot to change monikers and responded under your other moniker,LODI.
So I got you down for 3 SE LODI and IDK.

Moreover , you may not be Witchinthewoods , you are probably the broom she rides on LOL
Here is copy of my posting

Hey nipplenose , it seems your spaceship earth is rotating contrary to it's axis , causing you a mental malfunction.
Your unilluminating response was in no way related to the subject at hand,,
But that is what I expected....
Whenever one is unwilling or unable to give a proper response , it is best to fake it in the hope that no one will notice.
Enjoy April the 1st...... LOL
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113928 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text> No.... wrong again, intentionally left out what this whole study is focusing on: 1) Bigotry 2)Prejudice .... Allow me to finish the study in it's entirety > Despite that, the study authors said these feelings toward atheists could be far-reaching.
“With more than half a billion atheists worldwide, this prejudice has the potential to affect a substantial number of people,” Gervais said.
Here's the link if the General Population wants to see the proof for themselves! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/14...
Nice try Curious! you flippin Moron
To,lodi , alias Spaceshipearth ,IDK and the wiches broom
This is the request you made ,for which I provided the information.
"Again, Show your sources and post the link that states Atheist trust believers more than other Atheist. If you cannot, then your statement has as much weight as an onion sack full of air!
Your constant change of monikers have addled your brain to the extent you ears can not read clearly that which is written.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113929 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey knucklehead Lodi, My posting was addressed to your other moniker Spaceship earth. When you responded you forgot to change monikers and responded under your other moniker,LODI.
So I got you down for 3 SE LODI and IDK.
Moreover , you may not be Witchinthewoods , you are probably the broom she rides on LOL
Here is copy of my posting
Hey nipplenose , it seems your spaceship earth is rotating contrary to it's axis , causing you a mental malfunction.
Your unilluminating response was in no way related to the subject at hand,,
But that is what I expected....
Whenever one is unwilling or unable to give a proper response , it is best to fake it in the hope that no one will notice.
Enjoy April the 1st...... LOL
You are under the mistaken impression that you are clever and witty.
You aren't.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113930 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text> No.... wrong again, intentionally left out what this whole study is focusing on: 1) Bigotry 2)Prejudice .... Allow me to finish the study in it's entirety > Despite that, the study authors said these feelings toward atheists could be far-reaching.
“With more than half a billion atheists worldwide, this prejudice has the potential to affect a substantial number of people,” Gervais said.
Here's the link if the General Population wants to see the proof for themselves! http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2011/12/14...
Nice try Curious! you flippin Moron
Thanks for sharing.
I found this sentence particularly amusing.

"a recent poll that found that only 45 percent of Americans who responded would vote for an atheist presidential candidate."

Only? ONLY? Let's look at this in a positive way.
ALMOST HALF of the Americans who responded WOULD VOTE FOR AN ATHEIST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!
Holy $hit! I mean REALLY!
I'm fairly sure that number has never been that high, which means that atheists are becoming more vocal, more understood, and MORE ACCEPTED!
It's possible that I will live long enough to see an atheist pres!
THAT is awesome!

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#113931 Oct 3, 2013
How many times must I and everyone say this: I have only this Moniker, I have no need to hide or change....If I have something to say to you, I say it whether it is addressed to me or to some other Moniker, after all, this is a PUBLIC Forum, Got It?

I knew full well you posted that to someone else, I was saying, since you wanna go there, I have a perfectly fitting name for you!

For the record, I did show proof to refute what you posted....You Know; those portions you conveniently left out the first time!
Flippin Moron.

Don't forget, I'm also Crom, and MD along with all the others you've accused me of being...Flippin moron
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#113932 Oct 3, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Try reading what Moses did when he came down from the mountain. I am sure your indoctrination avoided the parts of utter horror and immorality of its founders.
where in the Bible would I find that??????????

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#113933 Oct 3, 2013
Honestly, How can someone be so damned stupid, Curious you too lack reading comprehension as your side kicks Sista and YaA. That Study you posted was conducted for the sole purpose of showing the Bigotry and Prejudice that is leveled against Atheist!

As with everything else, with more education comes more understanding.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#113934 Oct 3, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for sharing.
I found this sentence particularly amusing.
"a recent poll that found that only 45 percent of Americans who responded would vote for an atheist presidential candidate."
Only? ONLY? Let's look at this in a positive way.
ALMOST HALF of the Americans who responded WOULD VOTE FOR AN ATHEIST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!
Holy $hit! I mean REALLY!
I'm fairly sure that number has never been that high, which means that atheists are becoming more vocal, more understood, and MORE ACCEPTED!
It's possible that I will live long enough to see an atheist pres!
THAT is awesome!
True that! Many will say they would not vote for an atheist, but if an atheist was on a presidential ticket, and was a good candidate, I doubt all of these people would refuse to vote for them.
Actually I am shocked that number is so high. Clearly many theist are open to voting for an atheist after all.

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