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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 160523 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#112572 Sep 6, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I haven't been taught anything but what I have researched on my own.
The direction was not to join any other churches. The direction was not that he could not mix with other apostates. I think you're confusing this church with the Jehovah's Witness church.
What I been reading is he tried to join the church but other members were against his joining. No I'm not confusing you with "Known Facts aka no facts".

I, with Joshua McKune, a local preacher at that time, I think in June, 1828, heard on Saturday, that Joe Smith had joined the church on Wednesday afternoon,(as it was customary in those days to have circuit preaching at my father's house on week-day). We thought it was a disgrace to the church to have a practicing necromancer, a dealer in enchantments and bleeding ghosts, in it.

So on Sunday we went to father's, the place of meeting that day, and got there in season to see Smith and talked with him some time in father's shop before the meeting. Told him that his occupation, habits, and moral character were at variance with the discipline, that his name would be a disgrace to the church, that there should have been recantation, confession and at least promised reformation-.

That he could that day publicly ask that his name be stricken from the class book, or stand an investigation. He chose the former, and did that very day make the request that his name be taken off the class book.(The Amboy Journal, June 11, 1879, p.1).

Like so many of the early Methodist records, the early class books of the Harmony (now Lanesboro) Church are lost, so we will never know for certain whether Joseph Smith remained a member for only three days or six months. However, there was never any dispute that he had become a member, and by this one act he undercut the story he later put forth that God in a special vision had instructed him specifically not to join the Methodist Church.

- Wesley P. Walters

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#112573 Sep 6, 2013
do whut wrote:
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In some cases yes. For example, my niece used to love Hannah Montana. Would her parents be choosing well to let her keep idolizing Miley after her recent actions?(Niece is 12)
FYI

In 1993 Rodney Dangerfield married Joan Child, a woman thirty years younger than him, and a Mormon.

Sorry, I had to show this. Does this women deserve to be excommunicated from the Mormon Church?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#112574 Sep 6, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So why insult any of them?
I don't... Never have... Not my fault of some people take what I say as an insult.. That's more about Them than me... I do at times make fun of delusional people for comedic effect but that is not an insult just because they get offended... Being Offended is not the same as getting insulted...
Azazel

Somerset, KY

#112575 Sep 6, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
I myself, don't see any harm in reciting the Pledge.
I grew up as a JW and we were not allowed to say the pledge at school because we were not allowed to pledge our allegiance to anyone except God. We could stand but we had to keep our hands down to our side and be quiet. If they played the national anthem then we were not allowed to stand for that and had to remain seated.

That makes it hard on children who then get picked on and asked why they hate their country or why they hate God. The adult JWs seldom had to go through this so it was real easy for the parents to tell their children how much it would displease God and how we might as well bow down before Satan.

Just another example of mind control over children to brainwash them at a young age. What a wasted youth.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#112576 Sep 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Those are simplistic words to put across an idea to a general population that do not understand the actual constructs.... Einstein used mathematical proofs to explain it and Hawkin does not disagree with those proof... Before there was Matter there was Energy... Matter is converted from energy and energy is converted into matter... Hawkin uses the idea of Nothing for the simple minded as he would concede there is No Such Thing as "Nothing" But how do you explain that Energy in a unified form absent Physical Matter is "Something" to a general populace with no education into physics....... Be glad to debate it with Any Physicist including Hawkin... Because it's easy to back up that Nothing in the Universe from a Star, a Galaxy, A Solar System all the way to an I-Phone or Computer is Never Created... Only Converted from the Unified Energy that all matter was converted out of some 16 Billion Plus years ago....
I'll just do one...
An I-Phone... No one waved a wand and Poof a I phone popped into existence... First Energy converted into Matter at the beginning of the Universe.. Over time some of that matter due to gravity formed clumps and converted due to Gravity, Magnetic Fields, Weak and Strong Nuclear forces into Stars as the mass increased... Those stars converted energy in to matter and matter in to assorted forms of energy and stable/unstable assorted types of matter we note in the periodic table... Around some of those stars some of that assorted types of matter we note in the periodic table clumped together to form planets, moons, asteroids, comets, dust ect.. Due to those same Forces some of those elements converted into organic compounds and some of those organic compounds via applied forces and environmental variable converted into long chain sequences and some of those long chain sequences converted into a little Japanese guy that picked assorted types of matter we note in the periodic table and converted them into an I-Phone....
I would venture to say that all computers and I phones came about as a result of some intelligent being using his intelligence to design such a machine and manufacturing it.
Did not happen by accident , nor by a system of evolution ,survival of the fittest or natural selection.
An intelligent being designed it and manufactured it.
Just as everything else in the Universe...
Except for one big difference ...He who designed and manufactured the Universe has Supernatural intelligence.
That is something that the natural mind in it's natural state is unable to comprehend.
Therefore , they must design theories and allude to events that supposedly happened billions of years ago , unwitnessed , unvalidated ,for which no record exists and which can not be duplicated.
Of such , are fairy tales born.
Once upon a time , a long time ago , in a land far far away a dinosaur laid a chicken egg and so on and so on.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#112577 Sep 6, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Missed the point completely. Scientists have found evidence of the plagues in Moses' time.
Scientists have found evidence of plagues of one form or another in Every Time....
Azazel

Somerset, KY

#112578 Sep 6, 2013
This sounds better than a God just made it all.

"Our whole universe was in a hot dense state,
Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait...
The Earth began to cool,
The autotrophs began to drool,
Neanderthals developed tools,
We built a wall (we built the pyramids),
Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,
That all started with the big bang!"

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#112579 Sep 6, 2013
curious wrote:
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I would venture to say that all computers and I phones came about as a result of some intelligent being using his intelligence to design such a machine and manufacturing it.
Did not happen by accident , nor by a system of evolution ,survival of the fittest or natural selection.
An intelligent being designed it and manufactured it.
Just as everything else in the Universe...
Except for one big difference ...He who designed and manufactured the Universe has Supernatural intelligence.
That is something that the natural mind in it's natural state is unable to comprehend.
Therefore , they must design theories and allude to events that supposedly happened billions of years ago , unwitnessed , unvalidated ,for which no record exists and which can not be duplicated.
Of such , are fairy tales born.
Once upon a time , a long time ago , in a land far far away a dinosaur laid a chicken egg and so on and so on.
You really can't grasp what I said can you... Method of Conversion varies widely but there is no evidence of anything ever being Created...

Just because you have not taken the time in your life to learn of the records that exist or assume the only records that count are those written by men is only your personal issues... The Records are written at every point of conversion in the very elemental make up of the converted... And one must actually learn how to read those records which are far more informative than the pitiful writings of men...

Now back to the Egg thing.. The Question has Never been which came first the Chicken or the Chicken Egg... The Question has always been for as long as it has been asked which came first the chicken or the egg... Simple Chickens did not exist until Man took a Wild Foul and selectively bred it into what we call a Chicken... Chicken and Chicken Egg occurred at the exact same instant when the first person Name the foul he converted... But the "Egg" dates back Billions of years, long before animals walked the land....
SistaNoneYa

Somerset, KY

#112580 Sep 6, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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You really can't grasp what I said can you... Method of Conversion varies widely but there is no evidence of anything ever being Created...
Just because you have not taken the time in your life to learn of the records that exist or assume the only records that count are those written by men is only your personal issues... The Records are written at every point of conversion in the very elemental make up of the converted... And one must actually learn how to read those records which are far more informative than the pitiful writings of men...
Now back to the Egg thing.. The Question has Never been which came first the Chicken or the Chicken Egg... The Question has always been for as long as it has been asked which came first the chicken or the egg... Simple Chickens did not exist until Man took a Wild Foul and selectively bred it into what we call a Chicken... Chicken and Chicken Egg occurred at the exact same instant when the first person Name the foul he converted... But the "Egg" dates back Billions of years, long before animals walked the land....
tsk
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#112581 Sep 6, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"suffer for years before she died"
How do you know she suffered anything???
When this happened, I lived across the street from this lady, She suffered! She had an aneurysm burst in her brain that left her paralyzed, in a wheelchair, with a surgical shunt installed in her head to divert the blood! The life she had before, no longer existed.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#112582 Sep 7, 2013
Now for a moment of Zen......

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/You6ebQA45f...
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#112583 Sep 7, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
That only show you have no education in how dating is done or in rational thinking, a totally delusional mind... Dating requires more than one of many methods to be given weight....
No!
It only shows you sucking what "THEY" tell you with a straw!
No... there was no global flood, only local floods!
Fossils are formed by rotting carcasses covered with dust for centuries...
The world ain't old enough to fit our position, let's find another way of dating to make us look smarter than B'levers...
Call me delusional all you want, but I can guarantee you this...
That will only last til your last breath!
God is real, no matter how much you want Him Not to be!
Prayers for you!
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#112584 Sep 7, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
No they don't... They are Written long after the time... They would validate it if they had maybe scribbled a note on a wall, pot, clay tablet when he walked on water that made note of such a miraculous event when it happened... To write down "There Once was this guy that walked on water" 100 years later does not validate anything...
There is less written "About" Plato, and yet you believe he existed!
Of course... don't believe what Millions of Christ's followers tell you about what Christ did for us!
Just remember this...
When you NEED Him, His Name is Jesus!
Call on Him!
You'll be Glad you did!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#112585 Sep 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had any proof the dog was a mutt. How do you know it isn't a purebred missing papers?
Really? Adam and Eve, global flood, parting the Red Sea, staves to snakes and back again, etc. magical et al?

When you claim your dog levitates, has retractable thumbs, prehensile ears and recites Voltaire in flawless Mandarin Chinese, I'm going to call it a damned strange excuse for a canine of any kind.
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#112586 Sep 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Patriotism can be as dangerous as religion. And demanding kids chant the pledge is only for brainwashing patriotism. It is not showing the merits of our country. And adding god to the equation only shows the lack of understanding of our Constitution and its secularism.
We see what you Anti-Americans do to our Country...
I'll help you pack... Please leave MY Country!
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#112587 Sep 7, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>When this happened, I lived across the street from this lady, She suffered! She had an aneurysm burst in her brain that left her paralyzed, in a wheelchair, with a surgical shunt installed in her head to divert the blood! The life she had before, no longer existed.
You said she was a vegi... how did she tell you "I don't feel good"?
I've seen people that were in comas for 10 years, and popped out of it!
They didn't know anything about it, and some didn't want to come back!
So... you only THINK they suffer!
I say... it was more of a test to those that had to wait on her!
You say... they didn't do that well... did they?
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#112588 Sep 7, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
Now for a moment of Zen......
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/You6ebQA45f...
ce!
Is that a Wolf spider?
The first one I seen in KY, I stabbed with a file, it got away...
The second one, I shot with a .22, it did not get away...
The third one I killed with a TV guide (old one)...
Legs stuck out both sides!
I couldn't shoot that one... it was on the wall of my furnace!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#112589 Sep 7, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It only shows you sucking what "THEY" tell you with a straw!
No... there was no global flood, only local floods!
Fossils are formed by rotting carcasses covered with dust for centuries...
The world ain't old enough to fit our position, let's find another way of dating to make us look smarter than B'levers...
Call me delusional all you want, but I can guarantee you this...
That will only last til your last breath!
God is real, no matter how much you want Him Not to be!
Prayers for you!

You got the delusional part right.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#112590 Sep 7, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>We see what you Anti-Americans do to our Country...
I'll help you pack... Please leave MY Country!
"Your" country is a fantasy created by a faction that romanticizes what never was and ignores what they once endorsed.
You are delusional.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#112591 Sep 7, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No!
It only shows you sucking what "THEY" tell you with a straw!
No... there was no global flood, only local floods!
Fossils are formed by rotting carcasses covered with dust for centuries...
The world ain't old enough to fit our position, let's find another way of dating to make us look smarter than B'levers...
Call me delusional all you want, but I can guarantee you this...
That will only last til your last breath!
God is real, no matter how much you want Him Not to be!
Prayers for you!
If I went by what "They" told me I would not have differing opinions on the details based on my own study of assorted evidence... You see when someone tells me something I don't Necessarily think it true... It has Fit the basic laws of Physics at a minimum and if what they tell me does not fit within the laws of physics then I require a rational, logical, verifiable, testable evidence....

Not my fault you do not know and understand the assorted dating methods and how all are open to validation and stacks of people that spend their time trying to debunk those assorted methods and they hold true for their different time spans they are used for... And because different methods give date ranges that over lap we have methods to test the accuracy of individual methods,,

Science is about trying to knock down existing theory more than trying to verify one... So those that stand the test of time and hold are given more weight, those that are newer are given less weight until they are beat with a stick and come out standing... But in science you Never take what "They" say for granted... Trust by Verify....

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