<quoted text> I have repeatedly said that belief in God requires faith and that there will never be proof. If you can't get past that, then we will just keep having the same conversation. You ask me questions about why I believe certain things, or what the specifics are about a topic regarding my beliefs, and then you bellyache because I answer a faith related question with anything less than can fit in a Petrie dish. Really?
Because you are not simply saying this is what you believe and it may or may not be true. You are stating that is IS true and not just for you...for me as well. And my children. You are making a truth claim about OUR world.
Yes, you need evidence for that. Faith is irrelevant to the topic. If you fall back on that then the conversation truly is over. You are irrational and we can't talk logically on that basis.
Nephilium made a great comment to your post. Jesus seems to have been able to do things in the past that would constitute good proof if we had evidence of them. Why can't god do that today? People see god in toast or the poo poo of insects on trees.
Why can't god just f*cking show up and say "Hey, I'm here."?
Do not ask me to take it on faith. Faith is what you have when you don't' have a good reason. Or when you are desperate.
So you take it on faith. OK. Just have the courage to say that maybe you're wrong.
<quoted text> 1.6 Billion Muslims on the planet.. Pew and Gallop polls indicated that of that set there are Millions of Islamic Jihadists that want to kill me and my family... And you and your family... And a far larger number want to over throw the United States and install Saria Law as it's governing body... And there are a far larger number that while not wanting to do either still do support those that do.... So far over 4000 civilian me's are dead that have been killed by those that have publicly stated they want to kill You and Me.... So you go tell the father of the SEAL's in Benghazi that if a millions wanted him dead he would be, or the families of the 1000's in the towers, or the wives and children from the Embassies in Africa... Yes Millions of Islamic Hoards what to kill me and my family, and you and your family.... Some of their leaders have plainly said so... and have made many attempts to kill you and your family and me and my family... They have just missed so far... http://www.islamist-watch.org/blog/2011/09/pe...
<quoted text> Or that 13 yo might get the support and help of her family and get a great education and become a Nobel winning scientist that finds a cure for cancer and her truly loved infant grows to be the President of the Us... But yes if the 13 yo is brought under the dependency of the state and placed in a position where her family gives her life over to the state to give her just enough to get by but fails to allow her to be the best she can be then she might very well be another failed statistic...
<quoted text> Plural marriage has come and gone throughout the scriptures. For some it was required, for other time periods it was not. The same applies to the 1800s. When Joseph was moved to ask how it was ok, he was answered and also told that it was time to reinstate it. Had he not thought things out on his own and asked, maybe it would not have been reinstated. I don't know. But it does appear that God requires us to think add ponder things on our own. In the case of all worthy men holding the priesthood, this timing may have been to avoid more persecution. I'm not sure. It was clear that Joseph had black friends and followers. As I said, this was a major reason Missouri hated Mormons. They saw Joseph as an abolitionist and a threat to their way of life. But in Joseph's lifetime, blacks were not allowed to hold the priesthood. Maybe this timing was to draw less attention to this group as everyone already hated them for so many other reasons. I'm not going back to the friend of mine with the injured son. I spoke with him after posting last time about it and he said if people can't believe it, just leave it alone. He'd rather no ill be spoken of his family.
No one is speaking ill of anyone's family. We all have flawed memories and all research shows this to be true.
Ears do not magically heal in moments. If god does that, but lets babies die horrible deaths then why on earth worship such a monster?
I think you are dodging these questions because you want to be seen as rational. I understand. But your answers are not sufficient to support your level of belief in magic.
<quoted text>So you think the Democrats Fox news puts on TV are really the representatives of Democrats? Juan is siding with the republicans on this issue. Juan is not saying what you hear on MSNBC. If you really want to know what a Democrat thinks, just turn on that channel. If I want to know what a republican thinks, I turn on fox news. But you are so brainwashed as to think Fox news is actually fair and balanced. I would never make that claim of MSNBC, and they are not so hypocritical as to claim it as fox news does. Did you read Juan's book or are you just telling me the Fox news version of it? And why would you blame Obama for the downfall of the black community? You act as if Obama has been a dictator for the past fifty years. And why would you think America's history does not affect you or the black community? History affects us all. It shapes our society.
I used to watch those other channels... The POINT you do not get... Wrong is Wrong! Some Democrats know certain things are wrong, but go along party lines! Are you denying Juan's reasoning behind the rise of Black violence? Why? Just because he's on Fox??? That's Stupid!
Yes and Amen wrote: Blacks do have it way better today, than yesterday, and NONE of us alive today, had a damn thing to do with slavery! The race-baiter industry ought to get over it! No... too much money in it keeping things stirred up! I agree somewhat with your sentiments here, but to an extent. None alive that had a thing to do with slavery, but I'm sure some are still alive that have experienced segregation. Any race which had to endure what the Black's went through would naturally have some sort of emotional baggage, due to their ancestors living it. With that being said, KKK is alive today as much as it was back then. I think what defines a person is how they handle situations in a complex and emotionally fueled environment. That's where character, and morals are defined. In my opinion, We need to remember what has happened in the past and learn from it...or we are doomed to repeat it.
Good post! We are doomed to repeat it! We've got liberals denying everything including the Holocaust! 17'th century France comes to mind today!
<quoted text>Yes, all religions have the same criteria, just have blind faith. This is why you fail to take the outsiders test. You have no test, you just have faith. So why you continue to give apologetics seems strange.
I'll bet you haven't taken that test with your religion... Evilution, and your pastor Dawkins!
<quoted text> I'm just going to assume you don't really want a conversation. You just want to insult. Can't stand a religious person that can hold their own? Gotta result to insult because you can't make a real point?
In the first place, I've found it futile to attempt a rational dialog with someone who believes myths and frauds are real, and in the second place it's even more difficult when being addressed by those who even get the myths wrong. Forgive me if I occasionally point out truths in ways that evince my exasperation with the inane.
<quoted text>Well, I already said that I don't actually go around cussing at people. lol, that would be funny.
No, I don't do that. I use a degree of "foul" language consistent with my own style and the company I am with. Among good friends I talk freely and casually. If I'm with an elderly person I am very polite. At work I'm totally restrained in my conversation and I actually get uncomfortable when religion and politics are brought up. I think its inappropriate.
But in an online casual forum the kid gloves are off. If you are offended by what you read, then don't read.
I think the word game threads are dumb so I don't read them. But I don't pop in and say "You're being stupid".
It's funny you say putting on kid gloves, when I think people that use profanity all the time sound like teenagers trying to be cool in front of their friends. I always tell them to grow up and learn real words.
<quoted text> For a man of science you don't seem to understand statistics very well. What percentage of Nobel Prize winning scientists are women who had kids at age 13? Sure, it could happen. What do you think the odds are? Also, it's really funny what everyone thinks is important. The other poster is all about the souls and you are all about the public draw. Who's about the kids? Y'know, the actual 13yo girl? My whole damn point is that 1) she should have been instructed better about sex and 2) abortion should be the first consideration when kids get pregnant. In her case she didn't understand the ramifications of sex and abortion was an absolute non conversation. So bam. Baby at 13. Most likely another one by 17. Almost certainly public assistance from then on. Diminished pride and self-respect. Increased likelihood of the continuous of the cycle with her own kids. We've seen it a million times. And what's the root? Right back to what we teach 'em.
Let's see 54,559,615 to 1 is better odds than the lottery... And I actually know someone that hit the lotto.... As far as we know one of those 54,559,615 could have grown up to find a cure by cancer, another one could have grown up to solve the future worlds energy needs with a fusion power source, Another could have designed a communication system that spoke to the stars.... And yes maybe one of them may have grown up to be another Hitler or Stalin .... The point being is we have no idea of the unintended consequences of such actions on the future we end up with...
And yes Her Family should have taught her about sex and they should consider adoption as soon as the child is born...
THE IDENTIFYING MARK OF TRUE CHRISTIANITY. NO OTHER RELIGION HAS THIS; Do its members truly love one another? Jesus said:“By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.”(John 13:35) Such love reaches across racial, social, and national boundaries, drawing people together in genuine brotherhood. So strong is this love that it sets them apart as being truly different. When the nations go to war, who have enough love for their Christian brothers in other lands that they refuse to take up arms and kill them? That is what early Christians did. No other religion does this...only Jehovah's Witnesses.
<quoted text> Tell us about the 28 million the JWs had to pay out in the Conti case because the elders are instructed to cover up child sex abuse cases. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/cali... And this isn't an isolated case either. There's a whole bunch of sexually abused children that had to go deal with this. Here's a lot of them here, http://www.silentlambs.org/ Your cult won't go to war but they sure don't show this love you seem to go on about. Well unless you consider sexual abuse love. And tell us about the JW children that die because you won't let them get a blood transfusion if they need it. Your cult hurts children, plain and simple.
Seems JW does indeed reach across all those lines mentioned, Including that pesky Age line....
far left wing crack pot ,...Jeffrey Katzenberg & Steven speilbergs Animation chief is now trying to influence "dumb " Kentucky voters
- by pouring out of stae money into the Grimes campaign .
a proud socialist Katzenberg, the left wing Democrats’ premier Hollywood fundraiser and donor, is throwing himself completely behind Kentucky secretary of state Alison Lundergan Grimes’ effort to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell
<quoted text>I used to watch those other channels... The POINT you do not get... Wrong is Wrong! Some Democrats know certain things are wrong, but go along party lines! Are you denying Juan's reasoning behind the rise of Black violence? Why? Just because he's on Fox??? That's Stupid!
Did you say what Juan's reasoning was? Did you read his book? Can you answer any of my questions? Can you stick with the topic?