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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 149955 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#112416 Sep 5, 2013
tema wrote:
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Hey , who am I to judge the choices you make or what your personal preferences are?
When one is young and foolish one can make choices based on the
ways of the world and find them to be pleasureable and rewarding.
Based on one's likes , dislikes and who or what one permits to guide one's moral conduct and behaviour will ultimately determine
your character.
The comedians in question , whom you so admire carried a lot of unhealthy baggage.
Rodney Dangerfield ,Abused drugs ,alcohol and although married , spent most of his time with prostitutes .Family life was a disaster.
George Carlin , abused drugs and alcohol . His wife was also an alcoholic.
In her book , his daughter decribes having to try and mediate the drug and alcohol induced fights between her parents .
She had a totally disastrous childhood.
Having my own family , I would not want my daughter to be associated in any way shape or form with those types of personalities.
Nor would I want my son to emulate their lifestyle.
I can assure you that they would never be my preference , they are to be pitied rather than admired.
It all boils down to making the correct moral choice , all depending on your moral code.
He said he liked their *comedy.*

An entertainer is not your friend.
You don't have to admire their personal life in order to be entertained by them.

Do you check to see if a singer is "moral" before you enjoy the song they are singing...or determine if an actor is "righteous" before you like a movie they were in?

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#112417 Sep 5, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
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You don't have to believe in God to have a moral compass. You should preach to the Christians in our federal and state prisons on how to not become hypocrites since you are without any sinful baggage of your own. Are you a Christian and represent your faith?
What's the name of your denomination, or are you just a sit a home bible thumper? I will see if I can find stats on your members who don't follow your moral code. Maybe you can start a blog and admonish them and brag how you have such a moral life and perfect family.
Now if you only had the true religion and admonish the one who are preaching a heresy i would break out some popcorn and examine your knowledge. But no you rather plug the life styles or others for not leading a perfect Ozzie and Harriet life like yourself.
Please continue bragging about yourself. Tell us about your religion. At least Du Whut has the guts to stand up and share his beliefs. Are you half the moral person you say you are? Let's hear what you have to say.
You seem to have gone off the deep end .
It was you who brought up Sam Kinnison . It was you who stated that you would rather hang out with your favorite comedians , than with those I hang out with.
You have no idea whom I hang out with.

Your preference was to hang with Sam Kinnison , Rodney Dangerfield and George Carlin .


Whom one may choose to hang with tends to say a lot about their character.
If that is where you feel comfortable , go for it.

Azazel

Somerset, KY

#112419 Sep 5, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
The above information is supported by the scriptures listed. The Scriptures are to be found in GOD'S INSPIRED THE BIBLE. Check it out then state your opinion otherwise..........
Since you can't think for yourself and have to copy/paste everything, here's one for you.

The Jehovah's Witnesses never told police about Campos, who was a church elder. He's never been charged with a crime and he may never see the inside of a prison cell. He has fled the country and now is in Mexico. He also still is a member of Jehovah's Witnesses.

An attorney questions Campos on the video, "Were you allowed to continue to give bible study to children after you attempted to touch (the victim) inappropriately?"

"Yes," Campos said.

Irwin Zalkin represents the seven victims who have come forward.

"He is a serial pedophile," Zalkin said. "It's about accountability. It's about taking responsibility. It's about protection of children. It's about changing the way they operate."

Zalkin claims child abuse continues inside the Jehovah's Witness community. He claims church leaders, known as elders, and Jehovah's Witness' headquarters, known as The Watchtower, treat child abuse like a sin instead of a crime.

"The elders are instructed that they are to report that up the chain to The Watchtower, before or not to authorities," Zalkin said. "It is The Watchtower who will decide what happens."

Team 10 found The Watchtower has sent each congregation and its elders several confidential memos about how to handle child abuse starting in 1989.

The original memo warns to "be careful not to divulge information about personal matters, quoting scripture which says there is 'a time to keep quiet."

Another memo from October 2012 outlines the current church policy.

It tells elders to "call the legal department" and "contact your...Overseer." It says, "loving elders should take steps to protect children, especially when... the one who has sexually abused a child... will be allowed to remain a member..."

Jim McCabe is the attorney for the Jehovah's Witnesses. He explained how the church now handles abuse allegations.

"Today whenever there's an allegation of child abuse and a local congregation hears about it they call headquarters and get instructions," McCabe said.

Team 10 learned Campos is still a member of the Jehovah's Witness church as he lives in Mexico, but McCabe says he is not allowed to hold a leadership position.

Team 10 also learned Campos is just one of thousands of alleged abusers the Jehovah's Witnesses know about.

A database detailing more than 23,000 allegations of abuse was taken from church headquarters and revealed to the public in 2002.

When Team 10 asked McCabe if the church always reports allegations of abuse to police, he answered no.

"Under biblical law a man can only be convicted on the testimony of two or more witnesses," McCabe said.

McCabe is a Jehovah's Witness and elder of his La Jolla church. He said the Jehovah's Witnesses have always reported abuse allegations to police when required by law. It became law in California in 1997.

"Our problem is that there are some bad men that sneak into organizations," McCabe said. "They snuck into our organization, they snuck into other organizations."

Team 10 asked if McCabe believed it's widely known that there are sexual abuse problems inside Jehovah's Witnesses.

"No, no and it needs to be brought to the public's attention," McCabe said. "They have been operating in secrecy and at will for decades. We wish we could undo what has been done, but it can't be."

http://www.silentlambs.org/Campos.htm

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#112420 Sep 5, 2013
tema wrote:
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You seem to have gone off the deep end .
It was you who brought up Sam Kinnison . It was you who stated that you would rather hang out with your favorite comedians , than with those I hang out with.
You have no idea whom I hang out with.
Your preference was to hang with Sam Kinnison , Rodney Dangerfield and George Carlin .
Whom one may choose to hang with tends to say a lot about their character.
If that is where you feel comfortable , go for it.
Jesus must of went of the deep end also with most of his time socialising with protitutes, tax-collectors and other undesirables. We are told in the gospels that he talked to them and ate with them regularly.

You're not special.. You basically have nothing to say that's except you are self righteous just like the pharisees.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#112421 Sep 5, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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WHAT JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES BELIEVE
BELIEF SCRIPTURAL REASON
If you want to believe or endorse an org. that supports child molesters, have at it. If you want to have confidence in an organization that rejected its founder and first two presidents for the first 63 years of its existence - over 50% of the time they have existed, have at it. If you want to put your faith in an org. that bans it's own members from life saving blood transfusions, have at it.(knock yo'self out brother) As the ole' saying goes...If you don't have a problem sleeping with it.... I sure as hell don't have a problem walking beside it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112422 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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As demonstrated by Jesus Christ, God has the power to heal, but He requires faith and for you to humble yourself and ask in most cases. Call it magic if you want. I call it the power of God.
Yet faithful Christian families suffer all the time. Their children suffer terrible diseases for years on end, then die. No god is working to help them. They pray and all their friends pray for them and nothing happens. It is a false hope.

The kid you speak of could have gone on in life without an ear with relatively little problems. But evidently your god thought that one important and others not important. It is so unfair like that it just looks as if it a hoax.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112423 Sep 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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What or whose human voices are you hearing that keeps you debating that which you claim does not exist?
God only knows how long you have been debating his nonexistence.
And after all that time and futile effort " God is still alive "
He was alive from the beginning ,was alive when you started questioning his existence , is alive today and will still be alive long after you are gone , as you will find out in due time.
He is alive forever , being the fountain of life , nothing can ever cause his demise.
No matter how you try and explain it , you are unable to keep God out of your mind .
Call it your conscience , that little voice inside your head , A FREUDIAN SLIP , whatever .
The fact is that ,something that you are unable to logically explain , has got a hold on you...
And I belikeve I know what it is....
You keep searching and when you least expect it , you will find what you claim you are not looking for..
Not only you,,,for there are many others.
Back to this crap again? I debate religion due to the wrongs I see coming from it.

The idea or believe of a god will likely never die. God cannot die himself because he was never actually alive. Only the idea of a god is alive. It is an idea in mans imagination. Imagination is what sets man apart from other animals. Try not to bastardize that attribute.

Take the outsiders test. Are Hindu gods alive, or is it just some imagined god?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112424 Sep 5, 2013
Jerry wrote:
My three Chldren attended a Christian School where the Bible was taught every day. Prayer in the classroom every day. All three graduated callege and are doing great. Just saying if you really do want prayer and the Bible in the School it is there for you.
Yes, it is there, in private schools where it needs to stay.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112425 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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What is your point?
My parents' preacher said worse than this about me when I joined the LDS church. Every church believes the others are wrong.
Yes, every church believes the other is wrong. Thus it is more likely all of them are wrong, even yours. Yet all these people will testify theirs is true due to the holy spirit or something of this nature. So it stands to reason the testimonies or of a delusion. So to claim yours are not, is just as silly as theirs. Take the outsiders test.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112426 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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This argument is completely invalid. Adam is not our Father in Heaven.
So no Mormon prophet made claims of the father being called Adam? And what of the virgin claim?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112427 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Joseph had no problem with blacks. He even ordained a black man to the priesthood. I believe Brigham was racist and that this was his opinion.
OK, let me get this straight. Brigham claimed Joseph Smith was wrong about black persons in the priesthood? And all Mormons followed what Brigham said over what Joseph said for a hundred years? If so, then why would you ever trust a single thing a prophet ever says?
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#112428 Sep 5, 2013
I knew a woman who was a devout Christian, she would visit the sick and shut-ins every chance she got... she would cook food at her home and take it to those who were unable to do for themselves. She was the most humble person I have known. She had grandchildren that she raised from infants, who cherished her as much as she cherished them. Suddenly she had an aneurysm burst, which by all means should have killed her, but instead left her in an almost vegetative state. Her grandchildren were devastated to the point that the parents had to stop them visiting. Why would God allow this to happen to such a person who lived and exemplified the definition of what Christian really means? Why do you and others say "If you only have faith" God will hear you and answer your prayers, he will answer you." This woman attended Church every time the doors were open, she worked for that church on any occasion they had... but guess what, when this happened to her, all those church members were scarce when it came time to lend a helping hand to that family. Tell me why God ignored the crys of that family, tell me why God allowed this woman to suffer for years before she died?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112429 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Joseph had no problem with blacks. He even ordained a black man to the priesthood. I believe Brigham was racist and that this was his opinion.
Why would a god allow Brigham lead the new church if he was so wrong?He was so wrong, it is one of the reasons I left the church. Is this what your god would want? It is the result of Brigham's seriously flawed actions.
I can understand a prophet might not be perfect, but this is far from perfection. It is seriously screwed up. Some would call it evil.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112430 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I've said a million times on here that I may be wrong. I've even walked through scenarios if I happen to be wrong.
I think I'm right. Just like you think you're right. And neither of us will know until we are dead.
So I carry on my conversations as if I'm right, just like you do.
So with that in mind, if I am right and there is a creator, then His gospel is most certainly for the whole world as He would be the one that created it.
Again, His plan requires faith, so you won't get Him to do curbside service or house calls in the manner that you wish. And if He did, who would believe you?
You make three assumptions here. One is, their is a god. The second is, he has a gospel.
A third assumption is, you know which of these gospels is of a god.
None of these have evidence of truth.

And who is asking for curbside appearances? Maybe the god could just visit us all and thus no one would have to debate this ever again. Their would never be wars over the disputes of it again.
Is this to much to ask? Again the point comes back to, what is the point of blind faith? I see no virtue in having it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112431 Sep 5, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
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I believe maybe he did do that for his mother. What I don't believe is that he really had instructions by God not to join or associate with other religions. He did that and others have been killed or burn alive by God for doing so in the bible.
What does the bible have to say about this?
Matt 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Joe Smith loves his mother more than God. He even commits a sin against the Holy Spirit after warning him about mixing with apostates.
Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins.."
In other words a sin against the Holy Spirit.
I know that you have been taught all the excuses to evade documented evidence that shows Joseph Smith is clearly shown in the bible to be preaching a heresy including Brigham Young.
Sorry, the evidence you have shown in this case is just not excused by the bibles own criteria for chosen to be anointed by God.
Maybe the kids worshiping the golden calf were just doing so because their parents were. Not a good enough excuse for god or Du what. But Du what sure gives Joseph Smith the pass.

Brigham Young claimed black persons could not be in the priesthood even though it contradicted Joseph Smith's actions. This lead to a hundred years of bigotry in the Mormon church. It is why many refuse to accept the Mormon church. But clearly a god and Du what ignore all these facts.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112433 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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As demonstrated by Jesus Christ, God has the power to heal, but He requires faith and for you to humble yourself and ask in most cases. Call it magic if you want. I call it the power of God.
All of the cases you cite are of blind faith. You did not see Jesus heal anything. You just blindly accept the claims of him doing so.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112434 Sep 5, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Calling someone's beliefs a myth is an insult. When you can have an adult conversation maybe we can get somewhere. You can't define your beliefs as "truth" or "fact" any more than anyone else can.
There are occasions when someone deserves to be insulted. Their are some who get insulted by simply disagreeing with their claims.
Religion often causes harm. I will not sit back and allow it to happen without opposition. If this opposition insults you, to darn bad.
I think the Mormon church needs to be slapped. It spent millions of dollars to fight equality for homosexuals recently. It needs to be slapped for this. It needs a wake up call. Just as it got a wake up call about its actions on excluding black persons from the priesthood.

Your church bases its opposition to homosexuals due to what is a myth. Does this insult you?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112435 Sep 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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What or whose human voices are you hearing that keeps you debating that which you claim does not exist?
My brain has thoughts. I get that you believe the myth of demons and ghosts making those thoughts. I do not believe in this, as it is clearly myth.
My thoughts come from what I have learned. Some of my thoughts are innate through evolutionary instinct, just as in all animals.

My instincts might be urging me to protect my society by debating what I see wrong within our society. Most humans do this. I think it is why you preach what you preach. You think it is good for society.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112436 Sep 5, 2013
curious wrote:
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God only knows how long you have been debating his nonexistence.
Then ask god. But I doubt a god knows. I know how long I have been debating the nonexistence of god. Does that make me a god?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#112437 Sep 5, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
and a fwee compass that shows them the DOOR, out into the hallways, to stand in the Corners of, while they apply all they shields of "OMG,OMG, they're trying to tewell us whut to fink!!!"
Take the outsiders test. Would you allow the pledge have Allah to replace god? How about "one nation, under Swaminarayan, indivisible....

Now please learn the benefits of secularism. Maybe our example could lead to the middle east becoming more secularist.

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