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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 165729 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#112114 Sep 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Record of the Vote on the 1965 Civil Rights Amendment.....
House of Representatives:
Democrats for: 152
Democrats against: 96
Republicans for: 138
Republicans against: 34
Senate:
Democrats for: 46
Democrats against: 21
Republicans for: 27
Republicans against: 6
Great post!
But it will not shut the foolish mouth!
They'll twist it like the Constitution!
SistaNoneYaBiz

Manchester, KY

#112115 Sep 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Still whining?
Stalking and acting like a twelve year old ghetto gutter psycho too.

What an ignorant, lunatic freak.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#112116 Sep 1, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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So.... look for your delusion, be prepared to find it, welcome it wholeheartedly when it comes along and wallow in it blissfully, ignoring reason and sanity?
No...in fact, hell no.
No need. Reality is sufficient.
Reality? Yes!
You are going to die... Hope you get better than you deserve!
SistaNoneYaBiz

Manchester, KY

#112117 Sep 1, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Syria? Here's what I'd do...
Make them cease fire, Move the children out temporarily...
(Women are smart enough to leave on they're own, but choose to stay)
Let the Blow the crap out of each other, and WHEN the dust settles...
Maybe the Children will take note, and do better with what's left!
Maybe, they'll see, that IF we have the same Abrahamic God, that
Islam was taken over by a hater, and our God want's us to Love one another... not Kill each other!
Amen!
Specifically, Ansar-al-Islam.

Now in total control of Libya.

It's a "regional" thing.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#112118 Sep 1, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
For 8 minutes, after being informed our Nation was under attack, Bush sat quietly in a classroom looking like a deer caught in the headlights.
P.s. Have y'all seen this yet? http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/27/17...
He did right!
Would you have him scare the children?
He went to the phone... you think he could have
jumped in front of a plane? No!
He did right!

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#112119 Sep 1, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text> Syria? Here's what I'd do...
Make them cease fire, Move the children out temporarily...
Another interesting fantasy from you. And you would do this HOW?
Call the Pres immediately! I'm sure he would love your input.
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text> (Women are smart enough to leave on they're own, but choose to stay)
How dare you decide what someone half the world away is capable of.

Since you have never been an uneducated, impoverished, Middle Eastern female, I'm going to try to forgive your abyssmal ignornace.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#112120 Sep 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
You were speaking of the BOM before, now we're moving to the Old Testament? Which debate table are we sitting at?
Gah... it's all mind candy. What difference if it's peppermint, butterscotch or horehound flavored? Go ahead - hike your chair up to the table and serve yourself a plateful.
but then

London, KY

#112121 Sep 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Nope not a moralist in the least, Not a Moral aspect to my position, no religious aspect, no touchy feely poor little children aspect... I am Against Unjustified homicide of Human Beings... I don't think we should kill off large populations to save the planet, We should not go out on the weekend for a night of frolic and shoot people in the head.... I place Human Life above all other life forms... Not for any haughty moral reason, just because I am Human and Humans make the rules... If Dogs made the rules then they would get to say dogs are above all other live forms...
Now I would have Zero argument if the US Justice system through the legal process of constitutional valid law sets a date and say Human Life begins at a specific date certain... Before that abortion would not be homicide and if someone kills a fetus in a DUI crash or by kicking a woman in the belly he would only be charge with a bodily injury, assault or what ever the appropriate charge would be and never charge with Homicide... And all prisoners that are in prison for killing a fetus younger than date set have all charges and sentences dropped and expunged from their records concerning homicide...
Until then I stand by my view that any and all homicides should individual require legal justification before the courts including everyone involved in the conspiracy to commit the homicide, Including financial providers... To me it is no difference that to receive money from someone so you can hire a hit man to kill someone... Under some circumstances that might be deemed Justifiable but should be before the courts on each individual event to be justified...
There is such a thing as killing in self defense. If someone is endangering your life you can kill them and not even be charged in some cases.

I am sure you agree that a woman should have the right to save her own life by having an abortion, at any stage, if it comes down to it.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#112122 Sep 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Get over yourself... You made a blanket statement and it was wrong.. I only point to the facts of the matter and you cannot dispute those facts with rational argument and fall to calling me "thick"... At that point I figured any rational debate was over and I won so then I reserved the option of poking you with a stick... Your dogmatic adherence to your position and falling to ad hominem attack places you far closer to the religious zealots than I have ever been...
Oh SNAP!

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#112123 Sep 1, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Reality? Yes!
You are going to die... Hope you get better than you deserve!
LOL! I have done nothing of which I am ashamed so guilt doesn't bother me.
I deserve a well-earned rest from this world and this body ...and will get one.
Nothingness. Sweet oblivion.
It's always tempting to say "I'm going to miss existance because it is so fascinating" but there won't be any *me* to miss anything.

You can't frighten me with your myth.
sistaNoneYaBiz

Manchester, KY

#112124 Sep 1, 2013
but then wrote:
<quoted text>
There is such a thing as killing in self defense. If someone is endangering your life you can kill them and not even be charged in some cases.
I am sure you agree that a woman should have the right to save her own life by having an abortion, at any stage, if it comes down to it.
After 24 weeks, there's really NO excuse to even reference the word abortion.

Such would then become life saving procedures, not killing ones.

For decent folks anyway.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#112125 Sep 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope not a moralist in the least, Not a Moral aspect to my position, no religious aspect, no touchy feely poor little children aspect... I am Against Unjustified homicide of Human Beings... I don't think we should kill off large populations to save the planet, We should not go out on the weekend for a night of frolic and shoot people in the head.... I place Human Life above all other life forms... Not for any haughty moral reason, just because I am Human and Humans make the rules... If Dogs made the rules then they would get to say dogs are above all other live forms...
Now I would have Zero argument if the US Justice system through the legal process of constitutional valid law sets a date and say Human Life begins at a specific date certain... Before that abortion would not be homicide and if someone kills a fetus in a DUI crash or by kicking a woman in the belly he would only be charge with a bodily injury, assault or what ever the appropriate charge would be and never charge with Homicide... And all prisoners that are in prison for killing a fetus younger than date set have all charges and sentences dropped and expunged from their records concerning homicide...
Until then I stand by my view that any and all homicides should individual require legal justification before the courts including everyone involved in the conspiracy to commit the homicide, Including financial providers... To me it is no difference that to receive money from someone so you can hire a hit man to kill someone... Under some circumstances that might be deemed Justifiable but should be before the courts on each individual event to be justified...
The majority of legislators do not listen to the majority of their constituents - much less represent them. Going with the argument that government and legislation is right because it's "the peoples' will" falls somewhere between wishful thinking and flat out bogus.
"We want to rip down your house and build a convenience store. Here's $20,000, get out."
"Well, the supreme court says that eminent domain domain by corporations is for the public good, let me grab my hat and keys."
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#112126 Sep 1, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
So I hear the GOP was absent from the list of speakers at the Washington mall anniversary MLK event. They were invited but declined.
Would you take your Dog to a Pig show???
None of them had ANYTHING good to say about How Good the Blacks have it today... they just want to increase hate!
Martin wouldn't have came either!
sistaNoneYaBiz

Manchester, KY

#112127 Sep 1, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Another interesting fantasy from you. And you would do this HOW?
Call the Pres immediately! I'm sure he would love your input.
<quoted text>
How dare you decide what someone half the world away is capable of.
Since you have never been an uneducated, impoverished, Middle Eastern female, I'm going to try to forgive your abyssmal ignornace.
How dare a potus of the U.S. decided him shoulf be an infliciter of punishment on ANY ONE.
Sick in the head bas-tard.
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#112128 Sep 1, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The main point is, it is what I got from the bible and thus I have no reason to be jealous of YaA.
But if you wish to prove me wrong, then go for it. Show where it says I must believe in the Jesus and follow what he says to have salvation?
John the Baptist saying
"Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world!"
And then...
EVERYTHING Jesus says!
SistaNoneYaBiz

Manchester, KY

#112129 Sep 1, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Gah... it's all mind candy. What difference if it's peppermint, butterscotch or horehound flavored? Go ahead - hike your chair up to the table and serve yourself a plateful.
Do duh plate comes with stalker judge it napkins to wipe duh chit up with?
SistaNoneYaBiz

Manchester, KY

#112130 Sep 1, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Would you take your Dog to a Pig show???
None of them had ANYTHING good to say about How Good the Blacks have it today... they just want to increase hate!
Martin wouldn't have came either!
Yea, even some of his own were referencing that!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#112131 Sep 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Don't see any evidence of this soul thing... My position is on a point of law... a fetus by definition is a Human Being in that if someone kicks a woman in the belly and kills her fetus as 3 weeks gestation they can be arrested, prosecuted, and convicted of homicide... Unjustifiable Homicide is the killing of a human being by another human being... Therefore the fetus by definition is a human being... So I am against the unjustified homicide of Any human being so I am Pro Life with the caveat of Legal Justification...
I disagree with your position on this because it seems like using a blunt tool to take care of a delicate problem.

Man kicks pregnant woman and kills fetus, man should be charged with some form of manslaughter or possibly murder. I agree. It is not his right to terminate that pregnancy.

Woman walks into Planned Parenthood and has an abortion. It ain't your business, nor mine. It was her body and the potential person growing inside her was 100% her possession from top to bottom.

I don't see a problem with this. The clear difference here is the choice of the woman, not the definition of what a human being is. That only becomes relevant when her right to choose has been taken away, then we can clearly say that the kicker has killed a human being.

If this leads to some weird situation that perhaps evades consideration and we can all mostly agree that it requires special treatment then we can amend our laws to deal with it. That's the hard part of governing 300+ million people...it ain't easy.

Now, I do accept that there is an issue with suffering here that needs to be addressed. I feel like if we can demonstrate clearly, with solid science, that a fetus is "conscious" and capable of experiencing pain and suffering then the rights of the mother to abort might need to be limited. I think that is reasonable, from a moral perspective. The problem is our ability to detect it is limited. We can give it a window of a few weeks in which consciousness begins, realistically...I think its between 24-28. And nearly all abortions are actually done prior to that window anyway.

Complex topic. We've hit this one a few times on this thread, I think. Nobody agrees and I doubt they ever will.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#112132 Sep 1, 2013
EmpAtheist wrote:
I am pro choice.... But I understand the concern depending what you feel is important between a possible soul and when a fetus receives it... A nervous system and when it receives it... When it is technically a human... Or maybe just the idea that it will eventually become a thinking breathing human being.
I'm interested in what everyone thinks in detail.
I replied to Q on this but basically it's the woman's choice. Ultimately it has to be the woman's choice since she is the only person who necessarily has to endure the rigors of pregnancy and have her life permanently altered as a result.

The man can walk away, as many do. Laws requiring him to do anything at all cannot match what the woman is required to do.

And there are a host of other arguments in support of the right to choose, such as the reduction of poverty and crime.

The main thing is to be sensitive of suffering, both of the woman and potential child. And that's the really hard part.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#112133 Sep 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Of course He had reason to create us. Just like the reason we have children: to continue our species and have joy with a family. We are His children. We know our children are going to mess up, a lot, but that doesn't keep us from having children. We know they will be exposed to even more crap than we were exposed to, but we choose to have children anyway. I'm not sure where your logic is in that statement.
Why is my position irrational just because you can't refute it, or understand it?
You are God's child, whether you accept it or not.
Your position is irrational because you posit a magical being that you cannot demonstrate to be true. If your position was tentative I would not find you irrational. If you said "I hope there is a god" then I could accept that. But "There is a god, whether or you accept it or not" is irrational. You have not demonstrated the truth of it.

Also, as we discussed before, the parent analogy is not accurate. God is perfect, we are far from perfect. But no parent is perfect. Kids are humans that come from humans. We have the DNA to demonstrate it.

Again, where is god's DNA? Show me that, then we can talk.

I'll go out on a limb here and say that your particular version of god is...weird. I've encountered a ton of theology and this idea that god is physical, has a body, is imperfect...is not standard. At all. You are arguing for a magical entity that is not all powerful. And I think that is going to be the hardest possible version of god for you to justify. Such a god would by all measures of logic leave some kind of trail we could follow to discover it.

And not a faith trail. I'm talking about hard evidence. Show me that.

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