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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 152052 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#111981 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I only conclude you refuse to take the outsiders test is due to your constant refusal to do so in specific posts I make.
I have been specific about them and now you cite your life long ago as if you are done testing.
As I said, one must constantly be taking the outsiders test. Their is no end to it. If you skip questions, you are only cheating yourself and the test fails.

Now may I ask, does your family refuse to listen to the Holy Ghost? If not, then why are they not getting the memo?
They never even tried to learn for themselves. You have to put forth your own effort rather than expect everything to be handed to you all the time. The Holy Ghost works that way most of the time.

You are free to think what you wish about me. I have not shied away from your questions, you just never liked my answers.

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#111982 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>First, it makes no logical sense that people of those times could not follow the philosophy you follow now.

Now lets keep in mind, humans learn by example.
So this tale being in the bible is highly likely to be teaching one to murder in mass. We know by history it has happened. We know by reading the bible Moses took it upon himself to have troops kill the innocent kids and women many times.

You have your apologetics down pretty well, but it still does not cut the mustard with reality.

If I was all powerful and a robot builder, I would not need to murder my robots, I would just reprogram them with my words as I did the first time.
They were given the higher law with Adam. And they followed it for many generations but eventually failed. They were first punished by slavery, and then after freed from bondage, resorted to wicked ways and created an idol to worship instead of the God that freed them. This is when God decided to give them the lesser laws.

Murder means killing innocent blood. These people that God killed were not innocent by His judgment. But remember, spirits do not die. He only ended their earthly experience. And He did so because they showed they would only do wicked while on earth.

And if you remember Terminator, the self aware system did not allow reprogramming.

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#111983 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So the mass murdering god that was jealous like an immature person is now all grown up and has learned how to be moral? Then the god is far from the being I would look to for moral perfection. I would follow no mass murderer, even if he found the error of his ways. But as you claim, the murders were moral in his eyes.

And of course Bin Laden follow the example of his god, as one should know, this is human nature. Evidently you and your god have not learned this basic lesson. I say you both still need a bit more growing up.

Maybe what your god did should not be told, as it will be imitated.
I think His mentality was that in some cases the wicked should perish so the righteous would flourish. But with His lesson of the wheat and tares, He says to let them live together.

Bin Laden killed innocent people. This was not what God did.

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#111984 Aug 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Something I find curious is that god doesn't really tell people what to do prior to Moses. I mean, there some things he says but mostly it seems to be implied. I don't remember there being much said about what specifically drove him to kill every man, woman, and baby in the world with the flood. I know it says he was not pleased with humans but what exactly had they done? And when did god give them specific commandments not to do those things?

This is one of the reasons I don't think the Bible is a very good tool for figuring out what is morally right. God sends far too many mixed messages. One minute he seems to not know what's happening while he's away from Eden, the next minute he's a burning bush, and then he's attacking Moses on the side of the road. Later he's demanding burnt offerings and issuing hundreds and hundreds of mandates. Then he's commanding his people to murder and pillage and steal land.

Then he impregnates a virgin who bears his son...who gets killed for political reasons. And we're supposed to find some kind of consistent and applicable moral code in that jumbled mess somehow.

Isn't it easier to use our brains and our shared sense of ethics to figure out what to do? After all, that's what we do anyway. I don't' care how much a person talks about the spirit of the lord and the holy ghost in the end that person is using his brain to make decisions about what to do. God is not telling him anything.
Says one with no experience or knowledge of the subject.
Be careful not to set aside things before you fully understand it. Based off of your summary, one can conclude you do not know the scriptures or their meaning at all.

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#111985 Aug 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
They never even tried to learn for themselves. You have to put forth your own effort rather than expect everything to be handed to you all the time. The Holy Ghost works that way most of the time.
You are free to think what you wish about me. I have not shied away from your questions, you just never liked my answers.
Is the Holy Ghost flesh and bone?

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#111986 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you are undecided on if the flood was moral? You keep defending god for why he did it, so I just assumed you thought it was a good thing to do.
If I kept giving justifications for Hitlers holocaust wouldn't you think I was claiming the holocaust was moral?
They were both mass murders with reasons of justification. I agree with none of them.

Really what I am seeing from you is apologetics of a holocaust.
I think the act was just. God granted us this earthly experience. These chose to defy God. Therefore He pulled them out of the game so His plans could continue. This wasn't about morality. It was about God's judgment.

It is not for man to determine who is righteous and who is not. Only God knows the hearts of people. Hitler is a pitiful excuse for a comparison to God.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#111987 Aug 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Get over yourself... You made a blanket statement and it was wrong.. I only point to the facts of the matter and you cannot dispute those facts with rational argument and fall to calling me "thick"... At that point I figured any rational debate was over and I won so then I reserved the option of poking you with a stick... Your dogmatic adherence to your position and falling to ad hominem attack places you far closer to the religious zealots than I have ever been...
"I won" Lmfao.

Do you get a prize? Maybe a topix trophy.......

Lack of understanding medal.......Toooooo funny.....

O lord my sides are hurting must be releasing enzymes......

Did I mention you have a lot of periods.......

"thick" was a mistake, arrogant would serve better.......

I would point out where you got this whole thing twisted....

But you and I have been here before.......

And I find it amusing and strangly interesting......

"I won" "I won"

*sigh*
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111988 Aug 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer me this... in the last 40 years Smoking has dropped by 70% in the US.... If Smoking caused heart disease then why has New Onset of heart disease remained constant and in some populations increased?
Smoking by Woman has dropped by 60% in the last 40 years yet Lung Cancer in women is Up by 3%....
The Only so called smoking related disease that has Went down is Lung Cancer in men but only by 7%
Every other so called Smoking related (New Onset) disease has remained the same or when up as the number of people in the US that smoke has dropped by 70%...
Now Death Rates have dropped but that is due to earlier diagnosis and better treatments but if Smoking was the driving force once claimed then New Onset of those diseases should at least semi parallel the decrease in use...
I never said smoking causes heart disease. Smoking affects every part of your body, and not in a positive way.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#111989 Aug 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Grandma Dammit doesn't really evoke much emotional response from me...
I dub thee "religummist". Get those enzymes flowing.....

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#111990 Aug 29, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>do whut wrote, "<quoted text>
If we were protected from every bad thing that could ever happen, what would we be like? I would think we would take everything good for granted and just expect it all the time. I think you have to know the bad to appreciate the good.
I think the analogy works very well. I think it closely parallels. "

I agree that much of what we appreciate is in contrast to that which we endure. Even diet Pepsi and Spam taste palatable if you're thirsty and hungry... enough. Your argument falls flat in thinking we have to experience a bad thing to appreciate a good thing. You don't have to kill to value a life. You don't have to hate in order to know love. You don't have to have been deaf to appreciate a song or blind to appreciate beauty.

The utter nonsense is that >according to your own Book<, Adam and Eve were protected from every bad thing that could ever happen - except for the retaliation of a god.
In contrast, I'd have to have a ravenous emotional void for that story to become palatable.
But we do certainly compare beauty with ugly, and we appreciate beauty a lot more after being surrounded by ugly. You say kill, but I mean any type of death, even natural causes, helps us to appreciate life.
You can appreciate a good song just by understanding its complexity.

I still think that it is human nature to take things for granted. We often don't even think about our own health until something is in question. You don't know how much you need that little finger until you break one. You sometimes think your own life sucks until you meet someone that is much worse off.

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#111991 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you can avoid taking the outsiders test? I see. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I'm saying I have, and I'm giving you the insider's perspective now.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#111992 Aug 29, 2013
SistaNoneYa wrote:
<quoted text>
Saddam was a major "catalyst". Had he not invaded Kuwait, things may have been a lot different...then and now.
(and there's nothing that will ever convince me any different, not even adding certain other aspects to the whole big picture, so don't even bother trying.)
oh you conservatives just have to support bush no matter if it contradicts your philosophy or not. Hypocrite.
Saddam did not attack us. This was the topic you were speaking of with Syria and Libya but now your standards have changed for bush. Partisan.

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#111993 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Reminds me of a possible motive for Joseph Smith's claims of a god leading him to golden tablets.
Ego's.

The Mormon apologetics will say no one would make this story up due to likely persecution. I guess they do not consider how humans do not always take all possible repercussions into consideration and some will even take the repercussions for the rewards of power. It is the human way.

Apologetic's like this forget their are many possible answers to the situation. It amazes me that they would claim it is impossible that ego could be a motive but god handing over golden tablets is so plausible.
I just can't imagine he would continue with a lie after receiving the persecution that he and his family endured while never gaining any wealth. I would think he would be like, man forget this, lets just drop it and move to where no one knows me.

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#111994 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Evidently this is deeper than Du What can go.
Clearly the official apologetic keeps him from asking questions that are of the outsiders test. Or at least anything below the surface questions.
Since he will not continue the debate, I can see he rests his case upon god having the double standard. God can and murder, people cannot.
Clear double standards.
And yet he wonders why we do not just dive in and try to have faith.
Evidently it takes double standards to have faith. So I suppose that is my curse, I have consistent standards, thus I cannot have faith.
Sorry for not being at your beck and call. I can't always live on Topix. I haven't left for good. Things just came up that kept me away from here.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111995 Aug 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Try it. Let us know
I have (joe dirt) I was stopped by a police officer at a routine road check and after he continued to be a complete azz, I returned his attitude. After he warned me of my behavior, I warned him that I was only returning the favor, he had no right for his behavior just because he was an officer. He was supposed to be representing the law, not abusing his authority of it...I also showed him the fraternal order of police sticker in the corner of my truck window. He apologized to me and I was motioned on through w/out any further incident. True Story!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111996 Aug 29, 2013
Q what I meant was... your family has a history of heart disease, which increases your risk of such. Smoking just adds to your high risk status.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#111997 Aug 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer me this... in the last 40 years Smoking has dropped by 70% in the US.... If Smoking caused heart disease then why has New Onset of heart disease remained constant and in some populations increased?
Smoking by Woman has dropped by 60% in the last 40 years yet Lung Cancer in women is Up by 3%....
The Only so called smoking related disease that has Went down is Lung Cancer in men but only by 7%
Every other so called Smoking related (New Onset) disease has remained the same or when up as the number of people in the US that smoke has dropped by 70%...
Now Death Rates have dropped but that is due to earlier diagnosis and better treatments but if Smoking was the driving force once claimed then New Onset of those diseases should at least semi parallel the decrease in use...
I can't believe you are trying to justify this bad habit with these stats.
I just cannot believe the human body could process smoke in the amounts most inhale without some damage.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#111998 Aug 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>oh you conservatives just have to support bush no matter if it contradicts your philosophy or not. Hypocrite.
Saddam did not attack us. This was the topic you were speaking of with Syria and Libya but now your standards have changed for bush. Partisan.
Are you party affiliated? If yes, which.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#111999 Aug 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I just can't imagine he would continue with a lie after receiving the persecution that he and his family endured while never gaining any wealth. I would think he would be like, man forget this, lets just drop it and move to where no one knows me.
Well I can imagine it. Guess my standards are different than yours.
Some people are known to like being on the minority/persecuted side. It is a challenge and some people crave the challenge.
I feel persecuted to some degree as an atheist. But I actually like being a bit different so it does not bother me so much.
Fact is, people can be motivated in ways we cannot imagine. So just because you don't get it, does not mean it was out of the question.

I think joseph Smith might have started believing his own lie. It happens. And when someone is that deep into a lie, they don't give in.
Imagine the humility he would have to live with if he had ever admitted the lie. I am sure this would be massively difficult to even contemplate handling. Many would rather die than to face that music. So I can see this happening as it did.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#112000 Aug 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Go for it.
I'd like to see you explain how they have such large families. Haha
Viagra?? Or maybe a different outlet for the plug?? Just a couple of suggestions. Haha

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