Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
That book has no power it is just a book written for people by people to control the lower class and give the churches power and money . different versions different lies false promises keep the lies out of schools.Look around you are a monkey no god involved .Drag your kids and have them professionally brainwashed .How stupid can you be Religion happened when the biggest liar meet the biggest fool in the world.

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I guess where you come from they don't have cars.....
Best of both worlds....
Not just cars. Where he's coming from they don't have clues, either.

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I know where they live you DOLT!
Of course you know where "they" live . Inside your computer , where you conveniently change names at your leisure.
Of course ,one can not tell , because your other locations are hidden.
I enjoy those exchanges you have with yourself by changing names and pretending you are someone else.
You make a sad case for evolution.
You have evolved into several personalities , each one worthy of their own private room at the mental Institution of their choice.

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Of course you know where "they" live . Inside your computer , where you conveniently change names at your leisure.
Of course ,one can not tell , because your other locations are hidden.
I enjoy those exchanges you have with yourself by changing names and pretending you are someone else.
You make a sad case for evolution.
You have evolved into several personalities , each one worthy of their own private room at the mental Institution of their choice.
Unhide the location of your ip, then you can talk.

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Unhide the location of your ip, then you can talk.
You already know my location . Stop posting gibberish in order to deflect attenrion away from the Multiple personality Atheists that infest this website.

I am not clueless . One wouild have to be brain dead not to notice that you , Duquette ,Q and Lodi all appeared on Topix at the same time.
Your posts were spaced 1 to 2 minutes apart , each time with a different name.
I don't care how many names you post under.
What I find amusing is that in trying to give the appearance of being many , your ineptness gives you away.
Now ,let us move to the Q character.
He claims to be born and raised Southern.
He further cofirms that statement by claiming to have been raised in the mountains of Kentucky.
These being the Mountains where he learned to hunt copperheads.
He hunted for copperheads while attending school and worked his way through college.
Those are his words.
Suddenly , he does an about face .
He now claims to have been raised on the West side of Detroit , where he implies that he may have been involved in some type of fights.
When challenged on that obvious lie , he implies he had a car.
Possibly ,he commuted between Detroit and Kentucky every week.
Weekends were spent in Detroit ,hunting copperheads and week days spent in the classroom in Kentucky...
Then again.....It is all Horse Dookie.
Can you vouch for any of that nonsense?

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stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>Where you getting your stats? Cause I don't think so
I didn't do the study, just saw it in the paper one time.

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Published: 02/25/2013 03:05 PM EST on LiveScience

Teen pregnancy rates are highest in New Mexico and lowest in New Hampshire, according to a new report on the most current state-level data on pregnancy, birthrates and abortions among 15- to 19-year-olds.

Here you go scooter (Joe Dirt)
That's great info. But I said preteen.

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stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>No I didn't miss that point.
I asked him to provide where he got his stats?

As I said I don't think Ky ranks #1 in Pre Teen either
I read it in the paper about 2 years ago. It said Pulaski was the highest in the state. And since the US reports the highest in the world, that means Pulaski has the highest rate in the world.

Who knows, maybe it was a scare tactic, but every time my wife and I are in the maternity section, we see it first hand.

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<quoted text>Everything we do has some kind of impact. I certainly try to show my kids the way that I thin is best. My wife and I discuss issues like religion and social issues like gay marriage openly with no filters around the kids. So I know they are picking up on what we talk about. I hope that shows them that these issues are important to think about as deeply as possible rather than going with the herd.

BTW, imagine Pulp Fiction without the adult language. Or Deadwood. That show brings filthy talk into the realm of poetry.

But context is king. I've never said so much as a "damn" in front of my mother and we don't curse around the kids.
That's good. Continue that example. I would urge you to have that mentality all the time so you don't have to be someone else around your kids.

I've never seen either of those movies.

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Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>I understand the parent analogy, but I don't think it works. Parents are human beings. We are tangible and flawed.

God is not.

So there is really no reason for such a being to allow us to flounder about, killing each other, raping, stealing, and acting like barbarians. Yet he does allow it. Every stinking day.

I had a brother that died not too long after he was born. I don't know to what extent infants can suffer, but I assume they feel pain just like anyone else. Their brains and nervous systems are formed enough for that to be the case.

I wonder how much pain my brother suffered before finally taking his last tiny breath?

Now, if I believed in god for a second I would feel nothing but contempt for a monster that could create that sort of condition.

Thankfully I don't. Nature is what nature is. And sometimes she's a bitch.
If we were protected from every bad thing that could ever happen, what would we be like? I would think we would take everything good for granted and just expect it all the time. I think you have to know the bad to appreciate the good.

I think the analogy works very well. I think it closely parallels.

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Sista Happened across a couple of thugs like that a time or two as a teenager, minding the own business of, not hurting or harming anyone else.
Sista's philosaphy on that as far as they went was to keep walking---they touch one hair on me or anyone I love-I'd be helping the innocent by cutting the eyeballs out of the ghetto garbage, thug punk azzes that they were acting like.
Just surviving's a biotch sometimes.
Though no one referred to you, you simply HAD TO assert your "manhood," didn't you?
Please put it back in your pants so I can stop laughing.
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BS, you tiresome little man. You excuse every lie and foible of the Republicans and condemn every breath of a Democrat. You don't stand for anything good, you're just another cheerleader for partisanship.
you over-rate him.
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If we were protected from every bad thing that could ever happen, what would we be like? I would think we would take everything good for granted and just expect it all the time. I think you have to know the bad to appreciate the good.
I think the analogy works very well. I think it closely parallels.
that is nonsense. you just want to apologize for a nasty God that made evil, which is the type of God you obviously believe in if you believe in the Biblical God or in an allpowerful creator God of the universe we live in.

to appreciate one nice thing, one needs a little time and space in between similar events, and a variety of other nice things. we can appreciate blue and yellow and red and pink, without their being a color that is bad. we can appreciate classical music and jazz, without there being horrid noise that deafens us in contrast.
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this was to that silly sista person. Maybe it could be a female trying to be a macho type too. unfortunately too many females now try to act that way. if people are going to imitate the worst behavior of the other gender, I think I would prefer a gorgeous male willing to look like a sex object - preferably on a tv or movie screen or a magazine cover or something equally distant. though not Scott Brown, who is neither gorgeous nor sexy.
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Though no one referred to you, you simply HAD TO assert your "manhood," didn't you?
Please put it back in your pants so I can stop laughing.
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one appreciates learned comments about learned persons. too many folks now are social darwinists and oppose the science derived from Darwin's studies and further scientific inquiry.
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Again, you need to understand historical figures in the context of their own times. Darwin, Churchill, Genghis Khan, or whoever it might be.
Darwin was part of the "landed gentry" of his time. An Englishman to the core and a "gentleman of natural philosophy". This was the time when British Empire was at its peak. There was definitely a strong sense of *progress* that the English associated with being white and, in particular, being English. It is absolutely true that most people, Darwin included, assumed that white people were superior to black people. It was a terrible time for social justice no doubt about it.
But what you are probably getting at is the claim that Darwin's theory lead to Social Darwinism and more racism. In fact, that stuff was already there. It is very true that guys like Herbert Spencer saw a progressive idea in Darwin's theory. They saw it as if nature by virtue of god had a plan and that the success of Britain was evidence that the British were at the apex of the plan. I think it was Spencer who coined the phrase "survival of the fittest" because he felt it was more to the point than "natural selection". And it is true that Darwin started using that phrase himself after a few revisions of The Origin of Species.
Darwin was not immune to the hubris of his time. Not at all.
But his theory wasn't about progress or racism. Read his book. Read a variety of books on the history of that time period and Darwin himself. He spend decades working on the idea, making sure it stood up to scientific scrutiny. He created a theory about the way life changes over time that was purely naturalistic in its language and mechanism. He states many times that evolution is not directional.
However, being a person of his own time, he DID often talk as if evolution had a direction. He did make comments and held beliefs that, by our modern sense, makes him sound like a complete racist. By comparison to just about any of us today he certain was a racist. But he was by far not the kind of slobber-mouthed racist you think of when that word is used. He was a gentleman, a total science nerd. He spent his days looking at barnacles and beetles, not telling jokes about black people.
Anyway, my broader point is that history must be viewed in context. That's something often hard to do. I am guilty of judging certain historical figures through a modern eye. Hell, it is not even fair to criticize Bible authors for being ignorant. They couldn't help it. They were working with the best they had. And they produced an epic set of stories, sometimes dreadful to read and sometimes quite lovely. When understood in context, that is.
Have some respect for history. That's all.
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some folks on this thread may not be acquainted with irony.
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I have read the bible. I have felt vibrations in my fingertips as your lord and redeemer, Jesus Christ, bombarded me with his holy Revelations. Seriously though... I'm about as worried about the bible being read to my kids as I am Harry Potter. It's all fiction, although the bible is a bit more violent than Harry Potter. Come to think of it... the bible is a book that promotes slavery, incest,rape and the killing of babies. I guess it's okay.
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Darwin is not your role model , as you have stated.
Christ is my role model , as you well know.
John 10:10
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10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
I seriously doubt that any person who reads the more kind and compassionate words of ethical advice attributed to Jesus in the Bible would recognize you as a practitioner of wwjd.
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Reminds me of the tea party wanting to defund welfare, schools and medicare :)
they are for medicare for their old rightwingers - they even use slogans such as hands of my medicare at the same time as opposing government programs to benefit others. many probably do not know that medicare is a government program. they are selfish and stupid persons, which is a relatively kind generalization.

the Cruz wing of the GOP should be called the Batista wing. you should read about the things his father says. this bit about Canada is just a smokescreen to minimize the Cruz heritage of Batista Cuban despotism.
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The schools have to teach evolution. It is not a myth, it is a fact. I am not saying creation is not true; however, you can't take everything in the bible literally. They are great stories that teach different moral and ethical lessons among other things. The book was put together over 3,000 years ago by many different men led by Constatine on which gospels to include. Over the years, some of the rules have changed. I mean, men still are not instructed to beat their wives. And where did Cain's wife come from unless you suggest she was his sister. This world is billions and billions of years old and took millions of years of evolution in order for us to exist. We do not teach our children science than they will be ignorant. Again, not saying religion is ignorant, but at least be open minded enough to realize that facts are facts. Teach both and let them make up their minds for themselves.
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Sure. Just don't pretend religious guidelines are based on literal Biblical readings. Why do you need Noah's Ark to be a true story in order to have a guideline that we can also derive from secular ethics, such as "don't hurt people"?
trying to tell true believers about universal ethics - such as don't hurt living beings except in self-defense or defense of other innocent living beings - is not usually met with much success on topix, though in real life, with nice enough people who believe in some religion or other, it is possible to negotiate one's way to agreement on an ethic similar to that. Too often on topix, one finds people who are not nice enough, and who are argumentative with no intent to find common ground, when discussing religion and ethics - usually among the true believers, but occasionally with an unusually nasty socalled nonbeliever whose intellect can grasp rational thought, but whose feelings and motives are less compassionate. I do not approve of attitudes of either Quantumist, nor Skeptic, and that is one reason why it is so funny when ignorant accusations are made that socalled atheists on topix are the same person using different names.

we have found a couple of well-known occasions when true believers have used different names, though mostly in sequence, if they have been banned under their initial name for being too nasty. but I have seldom seen any atheists whom I suspect of using multiple names. Sometimes I wonder about Skeptic, but I think he is proud enough of his arrogant self to stick with the Skeptic name. He is not a Skeptic. He asserts that he knows that there is no God, and that he has no burden of proof. That is ridiculous. The person who asserts that he knows is the one with the burden of proof. That is why most sensible atheists on here are agnostic atheists, who do not assert that we know, but only that we disbelieve.

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