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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 158137 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#111524 Aug 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, you refuse to take the outsiders test. And by your statement, you do not even know what that means.

I am an outsider to religious faith at this point. So taking an insiders test would mean I should look at your question as an atheist. Of course I already do this.

I judge all religions or non religion equally. You refuse to do so.

I suppose this "power" could think outside my the boundaries of my mind, but if this is how it thinks, then it should consider how I think and work accordingly if it wishes me to believe the "power" is real. Otherwise it should understand why I doubt it's existence.

Think of it this way, would you beat your dog for not understanding English?
How do I take this outsiders test?
I can't help but think of the movie "the outsiders" when reading this.

I'm not refusing to do anything. I just don't know what you are asking of me.

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#111525 Aug 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I am sure most of us here do refrain from using this language in most company out of respect.

I am sure most of us atheists here do not talk about religion in mixed company the way we do here. Keep in mind, this is a forum that is supposed to be more open to free expression in an attempt to exchange views in a way that is normally not something we could do in person due to the social norms of respect.
You guys seem to forget this fact.
Anonymity doesn't make profanity less offensive. Sorry. Neither does the Internet.
Respect should exist here too.

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#111526 Aug 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>According to the third commandment? "Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain?"
I always felt that meant not to profess that you align yourself with God as your lord, but then act like a complete @SS.
Seems like taking it to mean "Thou shalt not cuss" is a cheap and easy cheat - as I've come to expect from the contingent across the aisle.
When you say this, you are calling on The Lord and asking Him to damn something. This is one way of taking His name in vain. There is another as well.

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#111527 Aug 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>No, but you chose the claims of the narrative. I seriously doubt a god had the baby murdered, but this is the narrative you chose to believe. It fits the ruthless god you worship. It fits the barbaric nature of your superstition. It fits the mentality of ancient men. So it has become the "word of god" to billions of believers.
To me it is but the word of ancient barbaric men who were extremely superstitious and thought kings had a short line to god.

Take the outsiders test. A god who murders the innocent babies like this is not a moral and just god.

If you are looking to this god for morals, then if you follow its ways, you could become a killer of babies to punish the sins of the father. Of course this is not a just system.
I'm glad we don't live in OT times for this reason, but as I said before, if you look at this on an eternal scale like God would, the spirit of that person is eternal. Think of it this way: if you take your kids to Chuck E Cheese and one acts like an idiot, you will more than likely jerk him out of the ball put and sit his tail in the booth while the others continue to play, and the mean one can't bother the others any more. The parent knows that they will all leave CEC at some point and go on to have other experiences.

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#111528 Aug 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I must point out the extreme arrogance of believers here in order for you to understand how hypocritical you are being.
Believers claim to "know" beyond a shadow of a doubt we non believers will be condemned in some manner by this god of yours for the simple act of non belief. This is the most arrogant idea I can imagine. Thus I would say you do very well with arrogance.
The ten commandments come from arrogance. The god you believe in demands you worship it. It demands you believe it is real. The arrogance is extreme, and you do very well with that. But of course double standards are the way of theism.

I get that the commandments arrogantly demand one not use the gods name in vein, and it might offend you when it is used, but claiming it is due to arrogance and thus not tolerated is simply a double standard.
The command is an arrogant command, and protesters use it arrogantly in protest.
I do not claim either is good, but then again, I try to maintain consistent standards.

Consistent standards is a tool I use to determine the likelihood of truths.
So when I see you and other believers needing double standards to believe in a god, I determine this god must be myth.
I am one that does not think you are condemned. Remember? So this does not apply to me.

If there is a creator, why would you think He would not want us to respect Him? Do you think He would be cool making us all and then shyly wave at us as we run away from Him to the strip club while saying the old man is stupid and irrelevant?

Profanity is offensive to me and I'm not alone. Again, I invite you to take a test. Use some profanity to the next patrolman that pulls you over. See who he agrees with. Me or you.

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#111529 Aug 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>This is arrogance.

mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey , Duquette
As you have stated " This is your hobby , as with the other atheists that infest this website.
You are here to agitate and instigate with your boorish insights into human nature.
You will reap what you sow.
The poison you all concoct with your ludicrous philosophy , is the same drink that may quench your thirst as you gleefully sing"
Kool aid ,kool aid taste great , We want kool aid , can't wait.
The theme song for that false and deceptive teacher ,Jim Jones.
Agree. And disrespectful. But do you realize you sound the same way to the other side of the net?

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#111530 Aug 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>Then by your position 90% of religious folks have no brains.. Because 90% of religious folks expect a repayment for their efforts... Even those that give without expecting a financial gain, as do every evangelist I have ever met, expect a seat next to god for their good works or at the very least a pass on the lakes of fire thing....

Your evangelists don't just pass that plate to feed the poor, even if they have convinced you of such, they do so to pay for their new car, pay their house payments and buy those snazzy suits.....

While the JW's travel about knocking on doors you need to think of them as un-paid income sources for those at the top of the pyramid driving the caddy and living in the big mansion on the hill...
Which is one reason I was attracted to the LDS church. Unpaid clergy
sarah b

Hinesville, GA

#111531 Aug 23, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like a personal problem-of your own.

I do believe there was once a being that existed, known in the Bible, as Jesus, in basic human form.

Just like Solomon, David, and a lot of others through out history.

And that definition was:

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion.

No "assumption" to it...except on your part.

Is there something you do not like about The Golden Rule?

It's a fairly simple rule to try and live by.
You know KARMA is a Buddhist belief, right?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#111532 Aug 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Profanity is not allowed on this site, should not be used around children, isn't allowed in most workplaces or establishments, and shows the world how insensitive you are to those that do not appreciate profane language. It is also residue from the degradation of our society, so congrats, you contribute to that. Besides that, it is offensive to people. Once you have learned that, you should refrain from using it. But it's your choice to be arrogant and offensive and to break rules. That doesn't mean others have to accept it and call it normal or appropriate.
Ah, lighten up dude.
sarah b

Hinesville, GA

#111533 Aug 23, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>And Duquette when stumped...falls to the usual malodorous measures of spewing nothing but mouth (via keyboard) farts.
I really want to get into this debate but really??? It's hard because your comments are just..... Really?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

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#111534 Aug 23, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
Then I stand corrected. You do not hate our president because he is black . You hate his policies which to me , are meant to help the less fortunate and the struggling middle class.
Would I be correct in assuming that those of our citizens who fall into that catergory are the ones you do not like.
You are not the brightest bulb in the box are ya now... For if you take a bit of time you might find that I don't need to exaggerate my skill set as you can actually find many examples of some of them on the net with little effort... Being raised in the mountains of Kentucky learning how to live off the land can be validated easily.. With a little effort you can follow much of my life and accomplishments, and even have conversations with those that know me well... I can assure you that at no point in any post I have ever made have I not spoken truth... well there is the exception of starting a threat about me tossing kittens in the air and shooting them for fun... Figured I would start my own nasty thread about me as I can better start rumors than others :)...

But to your point.. While you may think the Presidents policies are to hlp the less fortunate and middle class I see them as just the opposite.. I see them as a method to consolidate power by giving those groups just enough to keep them dependent and therefore supporting always a slave class but never allowing them to be the best they can be and become independent and successful... His policies follow the Rules for Radicals teaching that you must gain power by what ever means, including subterfuge, in order to achieve the end results of results equality... This takes on the aspect of not lifting up those in need but tearing down those that have achieved... When such is accomplished there becomes a immovable class society.. With a Ruling Class and a Working Class..

So far in his time in office the Mean annual income had dropped by over $2,000 per year, Actual Full Employment had dropped dramatically to where Real Unemployment stands at around 111 to 12 % and in Black under 25 it's up to over 30% unemployed.. In the Plantation Cities that number can run as high as 60%... His methods have been to be on a constant campaign mode with little to any actual work on the issues that could improve the real world conditions of our nation..

But then again I'm a Original Constitutionalists and see many of his policies, and some of the policies of his predecessor as Unconstitutional... We have slowly been moved from a Federal Constitutional Republic to a National Socialist Democracy and as such the next step is to totalitarian rule... Many of his policies I think move us closer to that day... With the NSA, HLS and the assorted departments of government hold the powers and authorities they do today we are now one National Emergency from Totalitarian Rule... And this has been allowed by the people for a few phones and payouts to buy compliance and the promise of short term security for giving up some long held liberties...

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#111535 Aug 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
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1. What history of fraud?
2. If this group of people was secluded to themselves how would you expect anyone else to know of it? Do you expect to find Mayan writings elsewhere in the world?
3. The Urim and the Thummim are mentioned in the Old Testament, so as one that believes in the OT, this isn't that unusual. As far as the hat goes, he was just trying to figure it all out. He later figured out he didn't need to do that.
4. Jesus told those in Jerusalem that He had to visit other sheep that were not of their fold. Where else do you think He went to teach His gospel?
1. If I'm not mistaken his family were involved in various exploits involving the use of magic and what-not. This is just my own opinion, but I would consider such practices to be similar to psychics. All psychics are either frauds or not the sharpest tools in the shed. Smith was smart. So I lean toward fraud on that one.

2. There is no such thing as "Reformed Egyptian". Smith made it up. He had no idea how to translate Egyptian, and neither did anyone else at that time. He translated the famous papyri as the Book of Abraham. Later, when scholars figured out how to read Egyptian, the Mormons themselves had that stuff examined and found that Smith's "translation" bore no resemblance to the actual contents of the scrolls at all. He made it up, entirely. This is a matter of public record, not my opinion. You have to go outside the LDS documents to get that full story.

3. Believing in magic rocks is not rational. Surely you understand that.

4. I was under the impression that "other sheep" referred to gentiles. I must have missed the part of the Bible where it talks about Pocahontas and Geronimo. Was it before or after the part that mentions bacteria and other germs being the cause of disease? Or was it after the part where Jesus says "Owning slaves is wrong"?

You are trying to find justifications for believing these things. I understand your reason. You want to defend your worldview and your faith. I get it. But this is not rational, nor is it supported by any evidence.
sarah b

Hinesville, GA

#111536 Aug 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>Profanity is not allowed on this site, should not be used around children, isn't allowed in most workplaces or establishments, and shows the world how insensitive you are to those that do not appreciate profane language. It is also residue from the degradation of our society, so congrats, you contribute to that. Besides that, it is offensive to people. Once you have learned that, you should refrain from using it. But it's your choice to be arrogant and offensive and to break rules. That doesn't mean others have to accept it and call it normal or appropriate.
You seem to be a really good person. If more people practiced their beliefs as well as you do I would not be so worried about religion. It's ashamed you believe something so ridiculous. I'm not sure something made us but I'm sure none of us know what or who and its not in any book a human wrote.
sarah b

Hinesville, GA

#111537 Aug 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>I'm glad we don't live in OT times for this reason, but as I said before, if you look at this on an eternal scale like God would, the spirit of that person is eternal. Think of it this way: if you take your kids to Chuck E Cheese and one acts like an idiot, you will more than likely jerk him out of the ball put and sit his tail in the booth while the others continue to play, and the mean one can't bother the others any more. The parent knows that they will all leave CEC at some point and go on to have other experiences.
I'm not sure there isn't something or someone out there that created us but I'm sure it's not in any of your books written by man. So do you think GOD decided well maybe I should change things and make it more modern. Lets make a "NEW" testament. Really? We should believe this with blind faith but not believe jim jones or west whatever church?
stuck in a lodi

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#111538 Aug 23, 2013


<quoted text>My Jesus let's me be REAL, As in not PHONY.
And that includes laying it back to hypocrite BULLIES.
Shall we review the define of hypocrite again?
stuck in a lodi wrote:
By your own admission "My Jesus" you believe; and in doing so must adhere to his instructions that he has laid out for you to follow!
You have Failed!
Now what you have accomplished is proving your hypocrisy......(the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion)
In order for you to understand this...you must first understand the meaning of hypocrite, and I really don't think you do.
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds like a personal problem-of your own.
I do believe there was once a being that existed, known in the Bible, as Jesus, in basic human form.
Just like Solomon, David, and a lot of others through out history.
And that definition was:
1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion.
No "assumption" to it...except on your part.
Is there something you do not like about The Golden Rule?
It's a fairly simple rule to try and live by.
Humm, how about you look up the definition of Hypocrisy... Which was the word I used in my post above... Appears the assumption was on YOUR part after all.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111539 Aug 23, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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Going to Church doesn't make you a Christian no more than me walking in my garage makes me a car?
OLD... I actually posted that one myself (except I would place the word ANY in front of more, rather then "no"-as in "Any more than"...) PAGES AND PAGES AND PAGES ago.
But anyway-
Once again, I'm a Non-denominational Independent with my OWN thoughts, ideals and beliefs, with my OWN perspectives on the Bible and ideals on how apply them daily in my life.
And all that works just fine for me.
Well, what you posted pages and pages ago, I wouldn't know about, because I've just been commenting on since around April or so *more/less* this year. and Yeah I've used it in other forms too, what's your point? It's a good example of showing someone their true colors, when it applies to them!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111540 Aug 23, 2013
mantle wrote:
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LOL You got me convinced. I will remember that and, in case I ever run into you ,if you give me any lip , I will unscrew your head and reattach it to your belly button . LOL
In an aside , I am not a 90 lb. weakling . You got me confused with the guy in the Charles Atlas add.
You know " the before" I am "The after" 55 lbs. of sheer dynamite.
LOL This was what you said...you would allow someone to hit you 3 times..I'm laughing because, if any man does not react after being hit the first damn time, he's either mental, or a pansy....So which are you? I don't care what or how you look, you come at me in any form of aggression, you gonna get rolled. I work 300ft. from solid ground, the harness and rigging alone weighs 65 lbs. that my shoulders and back support sometimes 10 hour days, others 8....I'm equipped to roll, throw, or stomp your azz, I'll be nice and allow you to choose your level of discomfort!
Nephilim

Somerset, KY

#111541 Aug 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I am one that does not think you are condemned. Remember? So this does not apply to me.
If there is a creator, why would you think He would not want us to respect Him? Do you think He would be cool making us all and then shyly wave at us as we run away from Him to the strip club while saying the old man is stupid and irrelevant?
Profanity is offensive to me and I'm not alone. Again, I invite you to take a test. Use some profanity to the next patrolman that pulls you over. See who he agrees with. Me or you.
"Tex. Penal Code Ann.§§ 42.01(a)(1), 49.02(a)(West Supp. 2007) concerning disorderly conduct -- this law was referenced by someone else on another message board so I can't claim to have looked it up. The statute states: the statute provides:“a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally or knowingly:(1) uses abusive, indecent, profane, or vulgar language in a public place”
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111542 Aug 23, 2013
For the record Mantle: I've arbitrarily slapped you about 5 times now!
Laughing
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111543 Aug 23, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me put it to you bluntly Michael.
If you believe you have a license that permits you to arbitrarily slap me without fear of retribution , simply because I am a Christian , you have another thing coming.
After the second slap I will warn you not to do that again.
Now , youj have been warned . Proceed at your own risk.
One more slap and I will most definitely introduce my knuckles to your face.
You sound like the school yard bully most of us are familiar with.
with me , I will permit you 2 free slaps , then a warning.
If you feel big and bad enough to strike me again , because of your arrogance and pride,,, Then you should remember that pride comes before the fall...
And you will surely fall Because I will knoch=k you on your butt.
afterwards we can become friends ,,, but the nonsense will stop
And that pertains not to you personally ,but to anyone to whom it may apply.
Christ did not say at anytime that those who believe in him should become punching bags for unbelievers...
You guys don't believe in God , but continue searching for him.
You don't believe or understand his teachings and based on your misinterpretation expect others to adhere to those rules that you do not understand..
Practice what you preach.
If you don't believe that which you preach, then, don't preach it
The most laughable post to date> To put in song format..The lies drip from your tongue like turpentine. But Good Luck with that 3 Smack Down Idea you have

Bang,,,Bang,,,Bang,,,= Mantle being smacked down 3 times!
(arbitrarily or otherwise)

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