Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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<quoted text>Learned men believed for 2000 years or more that an imbalance in bodily fluids (blood, black bile, yellow bile, and phlegm) led to all sickness. This is not true.

So to say that millions (its actually billions) of people today believe in an invisible friend is not very shocking. And proves nothing except that people are willing to believe things that make them feel better.
It is amazing that you think you are smarter than billions of people.

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<quoted text>My atheism came from a life of observation and an inherent willingness to be critical of ideas. My parents took me to church maybe 20 times and maybe to a dozen different churches. I appreciate the fact that I saw all those different Christian sects and that I was never forced to engage in their practices. I think this helped me have no inhibitions about being critical of them.

I did used to have a latent belief in something, or fear of it. I was afraid to curse because I thought god might be listening. I remember saying "god damn" quietly once when I was about 11 or 12. Nothing bad happened.

I've been saying god damn ever since, god dammit.
Is this how you work with people? You disrespect them, and if nothing happens you continue?

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No. He was pardoned, meaning he still had to face punishment for his sin. One way was that he was not allowed to build the temple of God, which was one of his greatest desires. This was given to his son Solomon to complete.
So he was punished, but what of the pure blood line you claimed before?
If Kind David was simply pardoned but never forgiven, then no pure blood line existed for Jesus.

I must note yet again how silly this "pure blood line" concept is. How do sins contaminate ones blood or genes that are carried down to future generations long down the road?

How is murdering an innocent baby, justice? What sort of barbaric mentality is this? It is one of ancient barbaric men, not of a just god.

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It is amazing that you think you are smarter than billions of people.
Being correct does not mean you are necessarily smarter. But I understand why you assume this.
The point is, billions of smart people can be wrong.
Lets test this concept. Do you think the two billion Muslims of the world are correct about Mohammed?
Take the outsiders test.

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No you didn't. At all
Yes I did.

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My profession requires 100% logic so don't assume I'm not a logical person. Logic and faith are both required to understand the nature of God and His gospel. Don't assume they are mutually exclusive just because you heard some atheist say that.
Do you really want to know why I believe what I believe, or do you just want me to open up even more than I already have on here just to subject myself to more criticism and ridicule because it is fun for you?
I do not think it is a lack of logic, it is more like a denial problem.
You refuse to take the outsiders test.

If I must have faith in order to understand, then I will never believe, as I do not blindly accept what I cannot understand.

This is why your claim lacks good logic. It might have logic, but not good logic.

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Is this how you work with people? You disrespect them, and if nothing happens you continue?
The major problem in your statement is, this god is not a real being. There is no being in which to be disrespectful towards.
Think of it as a test.

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No. He was pardoned, meaning he still had to face punishment for his sin. One way was that he was not allowed to build the temple of God, which was one of his greatest desires. This was given to his son Solomon to complete.
So murdering his baby was not enough punishment?
I think he should have been removed from power, but evidently this does not fit the narrative.

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Why does God permit suffering?
Who really is to blame for it?
Humans are to blame for much of the suffering. They fight wars, commit crimes, pollute the environment, often carry on business in a manner motivated by greed rather than concern for their fellowman, and sometimes indulge in habits that they know can be harmful to their health. When they do these things, they hurt others and themselves. Should it be expected that humans would be immune to the consequences of what they do?(Gal. 6:7; Prov. 1:30-33) Is it reasonable to blame God for these things that humans themselves do?
Satan and his demons also share responsibility. The Bible discloses that much suffering is because of the influence of wicked spirits. The suffering for which so many people blame God does not come from him at all.—Rev. 12:12; Acts 10:38; see also pages 363, 364, under the heading “Satan the Devil.”
How did suffering get started? Examination of the causes focuses attention on our first human parents, Adam and Eve. Jehovah God created them perfect and put them in paradise surroundings. If they had obeyed God, they would never have got sick or died. They could have enjoyed perfect human life forever. Suffering was not part of Jehovah’s purpose for mankind. But Jehovah clearly told Adam that continued enjoyment of what He had given them depended on obedience. Obviously, they had to breathe, eat, drink, and sleep in order to continue living. And they had to keep God’s moral requirements in order to enjoy life fully and to be favored with such life forever. But they chose to go their own way, to set their own standards of good and bad, and thus they turned away from God, the Life-Giver.(Gen. 2:16, 17; 3:1-6) Sin led to death. It was as sinners that Adam and Eve produced children, and they could not pass on to their children what they no longer had. All were born in sin, with inclinations toward wrongdoing, weaknesses that could lead to illness, a sinful inheritance that would eventually result in death. Because everyone on earth today was born in sin, all of us experience suffering in various ways.—Gen. 8:21; Rom. 5:12.
Ecclesiastes 9:11 says that “time and unforeseen occurrence” also have a bearing on what happens to us. We may get hurt, not because the Devil directly causes it or because any human does it, but because by chance we are in a place at the wrong moment.
When faced with a tough question you quote the Watchtower?

Let me ask the question again, to whoever has the rocks to attempt to answer it:

Why does an all powerful, all loving, all knowing god allow babies to be raped and murdered?

You recognize, as a human being, that rape and murder are morally wrong. God is, supposedly, the pinnacle if not the source of morality. And he has all the power to prevent any such suffering. Yet he does not prevent it.

Why?

Spare me the Watchtower drek. That junk is a dodge.

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<quoted text>Note the Do What claimed earlier that a murder was forgiven in the bible. Kind David murdered the husband of the woman he impregnated.
Du What claimed David was finally forgiven after much repentance and god had to murder his baby in order to keep a pure blood line for the Jesus.
I thought god killed the baby (after days of suffering, by the way) to punish David. Y'know, cause that's how god morality works. When a slavish follower pisses you off you torture and kill a baby.

It's god's way.

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<quoted text>Two rounds passed through your head? What?
Yeah, I kinda ignored that one. I'm not sure how two rounds can pass through a head and not leave a hole. But hey, the body is an amazing thing.
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"Blame card"? What are you talking about?
If you're going to comment on the Problem of Evil as if you know about it, then you need to *know about it*. This is a deeply problematic religious and philosophical issue that goes all the way back to the Greeks, and most likely earlier.
As I told the other guy, free will does not get you out of this problem. I didn't say two adults made a choice to be bad, I said three little girls were raped and killed. Are you saying that the killer had free will to kill, and the girls had free will to be killed?
God is all powerful, correct? That's the idea of god supported by virtually all of Christian theology. God can literally do anything, with the exception of breaking basic logical truth. He can't make 2+4=5, for example.
But he can damn sure stop a child killer.
And yet what we find is kids are killed, brutally, all the time.
This is a serious problem for Christianity and other religions that posit an all powerful, all loving god. And lots of religious posters on here like to dodge it every single time it comes up. They want to immediately shift the argument to something else.
Do you understand?
I don't think I've ever read any where in the Bible, any sort of "guarantee of immunity" against bad or evil from any God, for anyone-unfortunately, because that truly would be a wondrous thing-a perfect utopia.
I never could quite figure where those that assume such, get that notion to start with.

So I still stand with my belief (concerning the Bible) that it's all just in the different perspectives that people read from.
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<quoted text>YaA claims the rounds made no exit wound. I guess they must still be lodged in his brain.
I'm really not sure what he's talking about.
Could be he's talking about playing a couple rounds of golf and 2 balls smacked him in the head?? who knows

If he was referring to Bullet wounds, I certainly can't see anyone surviving 2 rounds directly in the head, but if they do survive, still he able to have an intact, and normal functioning brain. hum, I may have hit on something there. That would explain his train of thought on some things.
Or maybe Yaa has reached that age where his train of thought often leaves the station without him!

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My profession requires 100% logic so don't assume I'm not a logical person. Logic and faith are both required to understand the nature of God and His gospel. Don't assume they are mutually exclusive just because you heard some atheist say that.
Do you really want to know why I believe what I believe, or do you just want me to open up even more than I already have on here just to subject myself to more criticism and ridicule because it is fun for you?
Google "cognitive dissonance".

I think you are the smartest theist that posts on here, maybe that's why I keep arguing with you. Plus I'm interested in Christian sects such as the LDS. I like critiquing them.

Yeah, a person can be Vulcan in their logic but still be as silly as a little boy when it comes to religion. And you know, I don't have a problem with that privately. But if we're going to discuss the matter openly then I will not withhold my full opinion. I do not respect your beliefs because they are irrational. I don't care how logical you are in your daily life, you are irrational in your spiritual life.

As an example, you became a Mormon as an adult.

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Is this how you work with people? You disrespect them, and if nothing happens you continue?
Of course not. But notice how you compared my use of "god damn" to disrespecting actual people.

God is not real, it's an idea. People are real. I like people and I try to be nice to them. Especially at work.

The Easter Bunny has goofy ears. Will he cry now?
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Yeah, I kinda ignored that one. I'm not sure how two rounds can pass through a head and not leave a hole. But hey, the body is an amazing thing.
I have a trivia question for anyone who wants to answer... What is the only body part that cannot heal itself? Don't google the answer, just see if you can guess it...I guessed the second most popular answer, but it was wrong.
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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well technically, rape and cheating came long before porn. Just ask King David.
From what I understand, countries that have legal prostitution have lower percentages of rape. Both may be of an evil, so to speak, but the lesser evil might just be overall better for a civil society.
Utopia cannot exist.
Ohhhohhhhh...

Bullchit Duquette-your BULLCHIT sometimes FRACTURES the realms of having ANY common decency and/or morality.

Maybe you should re-examine some of your OWN FLAWS and UNidealogies-and lay off of everyone else's for awhile-especially those who truly are NOT harming anyone else...because You are NO more entitled to some deviant delusional "utopia" than anyone else-ESPECIALLY at the expense of anyone else!

You DOG.
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Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The moral of the story is, knowledge is not good to seek. Do not lust for knowledge. Stay ignorant and just blindly believe.
Believe it or not, I am not saying this sarcastically. I am quite sure this is what was meant by this, seeking of knowledge, on this forbidden metaphorical tree.
In other words, do not look to natural science for answers, just keep the blind faith that god did it, as the myth claims.
And your "natural science theory" does NOT have "all" the answers either!

In fact, that too, is FAR, FAR FROM having "all the answers"..
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<quoted text>Sure, just pointing out the hypocrisy, which you just diverted from.
Stuff your self appointed decider judgemental "hypocrisy" up your OWN bloviated, wretched arse Duquette, if you can squeeze anything else beyond those piles of your own self esteemed (UN)righteousness Bullchit.

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