Bible study rules for public schools proposed

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FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#111193 Aug 21, 2013
mantle wrote:
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That Atheists have serious mental issues has been confirmed by various Independent Studies .
As an aside; The postings by Atheists serve to confirm the validity of said studies.
Blaming others for having caused your mental problems does not resolve this very serious problem.
Denial is never the solution to real life problems
Atheists sometimes do have mental issues, just as theists sometimes do.
It is as if we humans were not made perfectly at all. It is as if nature haphazardly evolved us.

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#111194 Aug 21, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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I'm thinking I'm NOT exaggerating. Read on....
Post #70585 02/17/12
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If god commanded you to kill your child, would you?
I am sure you will avoid this question.<end quote>
Yaa answered:
Are you sure?
I would make sure it WAS God first, and Knowing His will, I
really doubt it would be my God, more like your god!
Then, it would probably be like an Abrahamic test, as I would do exactly
what God requested!
Did you have that saved on your computer all this time or did you look this up?

Thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt the claim of YaA being willing to kill his children for his god is no exaggeration.

And yet somehow the claims of blind faith with terrorism, being tied to the same fundamental concepts of YaA and others here is being claimed as terrorism itself.

YaA seems sure that god told him Obama is evil. Now should we be at ease with how YaA checks to see if the god is really his god?

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#111195 Aug 21, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Love, love, love.....but kill if Yahweh says you should.
THAT is what the babble says.
One can kill the one he loves. Love really does not mean as much as these guys wish it to mean.
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Pikeville, KY

#111196 Aug 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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That could very well be. Smaller temples were successively constructed over the tops of older ones which resulted in the mound structures. Copycat cultures could have written their own mythos around the megaliths or the original civilization decayed (due to climactic, environmental or cultural changes, as seen in other regions and examples?) and lost the capacity to build on previous scales.
As with Puma Punku, later inhabitants might have paid homage to previous builders' architecture, but lacked the ability to replicate the construction techniques.
I enjoy reading your thoughts on this subject and would love to see you elaborate more.

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#111197 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So king David was not forgiven of his murder? Kind of messes with your previous claims of him having pure blood(whatever that means).
Seems you have been caught in yet another contradiction.
No. He was pardoned, meaning he still had to face punishment for his sin. One way was that he was not allowed to build the temple of God, which was one of his greatest desires. This was given to his son Solomon to complete.

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#111198 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So king David was not forgiven of his murder? Kind of messes with your previous claims of him having pure blood(whatever that means).
Seems you have been caught in yet another contradiction.
Yet another?

What were the others? Are you just making a general untrue statement to try to discredit me just because you still do not understand scriptures?

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#111199 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure what I dodged. I addressed all if the points made. Their was no certain age, nor even a crime. Not sure what constitutes a sin with whom here.
No you didn't. At all

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#111200 Aug 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Right, I get that point. And I said as much the last time. You have faith and devotion and until I have faith and devotion you will not accept that I *understand* your religion. You have put your religion into an entirely subjective position, unassailable by criticism.

To be honest that ended the conversation many, many pages ago. There is simply nothing more we can possibly say to each other if we are not going to use reason and logic to have the conversation. I am uninterested in surrendering my intellectual integrity to faith. You are uninterested in examining your religion critically. We have an impasse.

To be clear on the Bible issue, I don't mean to say I'm anything like an expert. I have a working knowledge of the subject and a purely intellectual interest in it. I can't quote it, and I don't remember most of what I read about it. It's a big damn book.

I am not aware of any Christian doctrine that states murder will be "pardoned" but not forgiven. If that is a specifically Mormon teaching then you are in a very small minority of opinion and the vast bulk of Christian teaching is against you.

How do you know you are correct? What was your process for figuring out the truth?
My profession requires 100% logic so don't assume I'm not a logical person. Logic and faith are both required to understand the nature of God and His gospel. Don't assume they are mutually exclusive just because you heard some atheist say that.

Do you really want to know why I believe what I believe, or do you just want me to open up even more than I already have on here just to subject myself to more criticism and ridicule because it is fun for you?

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#111201 Aug 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Learned men believed for 2000 years or more that an imbalance in bodily fluids (blood, black bile, yellow bile, and phlegm) led to all sickness. This is not true.

So to say that millions (its actually billions) of people today believe in an invisible friend is not very shocking. And proves nothing except that people are willing to believe things that make them feel better.
It is amazing that you think you are smarter than billions of people.

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#111202 Aug 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>My atheism came from a life of observation and an inherent willingness to be critical of ideas. My parents took me to church maybe 20 times and maybe to a dozen different churches. I appreciate the fact that I saw all those different Christian sects and that I was never forced to engage in their practices. I think this helped me have no inhibitions about being critical of them.

I did used to have a latent belief in something, or fear of it. I was afraid to curse because I thought god might be listening. I remember saying "god damn" quietly once when I was about 11 or 12. Nothing bad happened.

I've been saying god damn ever since, god dammit.
Is this how you work with people? You disrespect them, and if nothing happens you continue?

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#111203 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No. He was pardoned, meaning he still had to face punishment for his sin. One way was that he was not allowed to build the temple of God, which was one of his greatest desires. This was given to his son Solomon to complete.
So he was punished, but what of the pure blood line you claimed before?
If Kind David was simply pardoned but never forgiven, then no pure blood line existed for Jesus.

I must note yet again how silly this "pure blood line" concept is. How do sins contaminate ones blood or genes that are carried down to future generations long down the road?

How is murdering an innocent baby, justice? What sort of barbaric mentality is this? It is one of ancient barbaric men, not of a just god.

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#111204 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It is amazing that you think you are smarter than billions of people.
Being correct does not mean you are necessarily smarter. But I understand why you assume this.
The point is, billions of smart people can be wrong.
Lets test this concept. Do you think the two billion Muslims of the world are correct about Mohammed?
Take the outsiders test.

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#111205 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No you didn't. At all
Yes I did.

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#111206 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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My profession requires 100% logic so don't assume I'm not a logical person. Logic and faith are both required to understand the nature of God and His gospel. Don't assume they are mutually exclusive just because you heard some atheist say that.
Do you really want to know why I believe what I believe, or do you just want me to open up even more than I already have on here just to subject myself to more criticism and ridicule because it is fun for you?
I do not think it is a lack of logic, it is more like a denial problem.
You refuse to take the outsiders test.

If I must have faith in order to understand, then I will never believe, as I do not blindly accept what I cannot understand.

This is why your claim lacks good logic. It might have logic, but not good logic.

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#111207 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Is this how you work with people? You disrespect them, and if nothing happens you continue?
The major problem in your statement is, this god is not a real being. There is no being in which to be disrespectful towards.
Think of it as a test.

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#111208 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
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No. He was pardoned, meaning he still had to face punishment for his sin. One way was that he was not allowed to build the temple of God, which was one of his greatest desires. This was given to his son Solomon to complete.
So murdering his baby was not enough punishment?
I think he should have been removed from power, but evidently this does not fit the narrative.

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#111209 Aug 21, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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Why does God permit suffering?
Who really is to blame for it?
Humans are to blame for much of the suffering. They fight wars, commit crimes, pollute the environment, often carry on business in a manner motivated by greed rather than concern for their fellowman, and sometimes indulge in habits that they know can be harmful to their health. When they do these things, they hurt others and themselves. Should it be expected that humans would be immune to the consequences of what they do?(Gal. 6:7; Prov. 1:30-33) Is it reasonable to blame God for these things that humans themselves do?
Satan and his demons also share responsibility. The Bible discloses that much suffering is because of the influence of wicked spirits. The suffering for which so many people blame God does not come from him at all.—Rev. 12:12; Acts 10:38; see also pages 363, 364, under the heading “Satan the Devil.”
How did suffering get started? Examination of the causes focuses attention on our first human parents, Adam and Eve. Jehovah God created them perfect and put them in paradise surroundings. If they had obeyed God, they would never have got sick or died. They could have enjoyed perfect human life forever. Suffering was not part of Jehovah’s purpose for mankind. But Jehovah clearly told Adam that continued enjoyment of what He had given them depended on obedience. Obviously, they had to breathe, eat, drink, and sleep in order to continue living. And they had to keep God’s moral requirements in order to enjoy life fully and to be favored with such life forever. But they chose to go their own way, to set their own standards of good and bad, and thus they turned away from God, the Life-Giver.(Gen. 2:16, 17; 3:1-6) Sin led to death. It was as sinners that Adam and Eve produced children, and they could not pass on to their children what they no longer had. All were born in sin, with inclinations toward wrongdoing, weaknesses that could lead to illness, a sinful inheritance that would eventually result in death. Because everyone on earth today was born in sin, all of us experience suffering in various ways.—Gen. 8:21; Rom. 5:12.
Ecclesiastes 9:11 says that “time and unforeseen occurrence” also have a bearing on what happens to us. We may get hurt, not because the Devil directly causes it or because any human does it, but because by chance we are in a place at the wrong moment.
When faced with a tough question you quote the Watchtower?

Let me ask the question again, to whoever has the rocks to attempt to answer it:

Why does an all powerful, all loving, all knowing god allow babies to be raped and murdered?

You recognize, as a human being, that rape and murder are morally wrong. God is, supposedly, the pinnacle if not the source of morality. And he has all the power to prevent any such suffering. Yet he does not prevent it.

Why?

Spare me the Watchtower drek. That junk is a dodge.

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#111210 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Note the Do What claimed earlier that a murder was forgiven in the bible. Kind David murdered the husband of the woman he impregnated.
Du What claimed David was finally forgiven after much repentance and god had to murder his baby in order to keep a pure blood line for the Jesus.
I thought god killed the baby (after days of suffering, by the way) to punish David. Y'know, cause that's how god morality works. When a slavish follower pisses you off you torture and kill a baby.

It's god's way.

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#111211 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Two rounds passed through your head? What?
Yeah, I kinda ignored that one. I'm not sure how two rounds can pass through a head and not leave a hole. But hey, the body is an amazing thing.
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#111212 Aug 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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"Blame card"? What are you talking about?
If you're going to comment on the Problem of Evil as if you know about it, then you need to *know about it*. This is a deeply problematic religious and philosophical issue that goes all the way back to the Greeks, and most likely earlier.
As I told the other guy, free will does not get you out of this problem. I didn't say two adults made a choice to be bad, I said three little girls were raped and killed. Are you saying that the killer had free will to kill, and the girls had free will to be killed?
God is all powerful, correct? That's the idea of god supported by virtually all of Christian theology. God can literally do anything, with the exception of breaking basic logical truth. He can't make 2+4=5, for example.
But he can damn sure stop a child killer.
And yet what we find is kids are killed, brutally, all the time.
This is a serious problem for Christianity and other religions that posit an all powerful, all loving god. And lots of religious posters on here like to dodge it every single time it comes up. They want to immediately shift the argument to something else.
Do you understand?
I don't think I've ever read any where in the Bible, any sort of "guarantee of immunity" against bad or evil from any God, for anyone-unfortunately, because that truly would be a wondrous thing-a perfect utopia.
I never could quite figure where those that assume such, get that notion to start with.

So I still stand with my belief (concerning the Bible) that it's all just in the different perspectives that people read from.

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