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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 164801 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111116 Aug 20, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I qualified my examples with an IF.
When it comes right down to it ,whether you be a thief ,a liar or enjoy watching porn , it is none of my business . I am not your judge.
You admitted to being a liar. Nothing wrong with confessing ones sinful behaviour...
I did not accuse nor do I believe you to be a devisnt who watches porn...You don't strike me as that type of a person.
As an aside; I have used Google Earth to google your home.
In looking through your windows I observed some guy sitting in his shorts , drinking beer and watching the cartoon channnel ,,for hours on end.
No pornography was noted over a period of 7 days
Wrong... I admitted to having told a lie. If my lying to my son is a sin IN YOUR EYES then so be it. I take full responsibility and would do so again, Because I answer to MYSELF for MY actions!
You, on the other hand confess to be a Christian and must follow the commandments and demands of God as described in the Bible. You clearly fall short in your duties, and will be judged by the very one you worship.
to use your stupid phrase (As an aside) you're an idiot!

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#111117 Aug 20, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>between the kid and the dad, the dad is guilty. but also the NRA, the GOP, the American gun culture, the gun profiteers, the talk show rightwingers, and TV violence collaborators.
? I disagree with you there. That's a huge stretch and assumption.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111118 Aug 20, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I qualified my examples with an IF.
When it comes right down to it ,whether you be a thief ,a liar or enjoy watching porn , it is none of my business . I am not your judge.
You admitted to being a liar. Nothing wrong with confessing ones sinful behaviour...
I did not accuse nor do I believe you to be a devisnt who watches porn...You don't strike me as that type of a person.
As an aside; I have used Google Earth to google your home.
In looking through your windows I observed some guy sitting in his shorts , drinking beer and watching the cartoon channnel ,,for hours on end.
No pornography was noted over a period of 7 days
Indeed! IF a frog had wings he wouldn't be busting his ash on the ground now would he.
As for your comment on lQQking through one's windows....do you practice this behavior within the community you reside? Is this common Christian behavior? You are confirming with your post that you are a troll and in desperate need of psychological help! Perhaps I do need to consult an Attorney after all!

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#111119 Aug 20, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well that is not the "certain age" the bible shows, now is it?
Our laws would not consider this a murder at all. Who knows what standards your god has, as it changes from time to time.
Nice dodge. Too bad you just did the same thing you accuse others of. Dodging the question and diverting.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111120 Aug 20, 2013
Take note... I don't call you an idiot based on your beliefs, I call you an idiot based on your conduct and behavior!
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111121 Aug 20, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
? I disagree with you there. That's a huge stretch and assumption.

I agree that the Dad would be guilty of Bad Judgment and Negligence. It is the sole responsibility of the Gun Owner to secure the weapon and by doing so insures the safety of all the members of the home.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#111122 Aug 20, 2013
mantle wrote:
To claim to have never stolen ANYTHING is absurd
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I qualified my examples with an IF.
When it comes right down to it ,whether you be a thief ,a liar or enjoy watching porn , it is none of my business . I am not your judge.
You admitted to being a liar. Nothing wrong with confessing ones sinful behaviour...
I did not accuse nor do I believe you to be a devisnt who watches porn...You don't strike me as that type of a person.
As an aside; I have used Google Earth to google your home.
In looking through your windows I observed some guy sitting in his shorts , drinking beer and watching the cartoon channnel ,,for hours on end.
No pornography was noted over a period of 7 days
Mantle: If you lie, you are a liar
If you borrow something and never return it, you are a thief
If you look through neighbors windows, you are a deviant

Yes, you qualify as Vile and Evil !

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#111123 Aug 20, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to give you an old example of the difference in knowing facts about the gospel of Jesus Christ and actually understanding it. I will shorten it.
2 men died and went to be judged. The first entered a room with another man. He was questioned about the things he did on earth and then was questioned what he knew about Jesus Christ and His gospel. The man knew quite a bit. Born of a virgin, prophesies foretold His coming and death, died on a cross, had apostles and disciples, was a Jew, baptized of John, etc etc.
The second man entered the room and looked at the man waiting to question him, and fell to his knees and kissed His feet proclaiming: my Lord and my God!!
Simple example, but my point is, knowing facts about the book and culture of the people it speaks of, is not the same as understanding the gospel that it teaches and how the two testaments tie together. It doesn't mean you understand any of the mysteries of the kingdom of God.
Of course I don't think you understand the Bible or the gospel of Jesus Christ, or you would no longer be atheist.
Murder of innocent blood is a sin that can be pardoned, but not forgiven. Forgiveness means wiped clean of sin, or pure in the eyes of The Lord. Pardoned means consequences will still be served, meaning they are not cleared of the sin and forgiven.
I gave Biblical examples, but since I believe the D&C to be scripture as well, I feel free to quote it. But I will always make it clear when I do.
So king David was not forgiven of his murder? Kind of messes with your previous claims of him having pure blood(whatever that means).
Seems you have been caught in yet another contradiction.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#111124 Aug 20, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice dodge. Too bad you just did the same thing you accuse others of. Dodging the question and diverting.
Not sure what I dodged. I addressed all if the points made. Their was no certain age, nor even a crime. Not sure what constitutes a sin with whom here.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#111125 Aug 21, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I'm wondering how your brain keeps from imploding. You just shrugged off the question about little girls being raped and killed and immediately shifted the topic.
I want to know how you feel it is justified for your god - all powerful, all knowing, all loving - to allow this to happen. And don't give me the free will bullsh*t. These were little girls overpowered and killed, brutally.
Would it have inconvenienced your all loving sky daddy to flex his finger and cause the attacker to suddenly have a heart attack or something? Or hey, how's this...he could have done any number of little things to prevent the situation from even coming up.
But no. He just sits back and watches.
You feel alright about little kids being raped?
No I don't feel ok about that!
I have no idea why some things happen, why some non smokers die of lung cancer, and others smoke into their 90's without a problem...
Why one teacher gets punched in the head, and dies, and a person gets ran over by a car, and doesn't get a scratch, or why
2 rounds pass through my head without leaving a hole!
But I do know... it's Not about the body, but the soul!
Evil, or Good, choice to do right, or wrong!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#111126 Aug 21, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes sir , Some bat shyte crazy men have written some truly ludicrous opinions.
It has been proven that only life can create life...
Then some dumdum shows up and proclaims that the nonliving can spontneously come to life .
They can't explain it ,duplicate it or have any idea how this may have occurred....
Another dumdum will write a paper explaining the orogins of human intelligence.
Many millions of years ago , in an undeterminrd place and witnessed by no one ,an amphibian vertebrate had an unfortunate accident which somehow is responsible for human intelligence.
When one states how absurd these opinions are , some bat shyte person will claim that we do not understand.
Anyhow , some people will not believe how little they know.
In an aside; Direct your complaint to Spaceship Earth.
He was the originator of those 2 questions , as you well Know
I just want to underscore the irony and absurdity underlying this post. A person who doesn't even understand where to place commas and spaces is referring to scientists as "dumdums".

And doing it via strawman arguments.

I needed a chuckle this morning. Thanks.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#111127 Aug 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to give you an old example of the difference in knowing facts about the gospel of Jesus Christ and actually understanding it. I will shorten it.
2 men died and went to be judged. The first entered a room with another man. He was questioned about the things he did on earth and then was questioned what he knew about Jesus Christ and His gospel. The man knew quite a bit. Born of a virgin, prophesies foretold His coming and death, died on a cross, had apostles and disciples, was a Jew, baptized of John, etc etc.
The second man entered the room and looked at the man waiting to question him, and fell to his knees and kissed His feet proclaiming: my Lord and my God!!
Simple example, but my point is, knowing facts about the book and culture of the people it speaks of, is not the same as understanding the gospel that it teaches and how the two testaments tie together. It doesn't mean you understand any of the mysteries of the kingdom of God.
Of course I don't think you understand the Bible or the gospel of Jesus Christ, or you would no longer be atheist.
Murder of innocent blood is a sin that can be pardoned, but not forgiven. Forgiveness means wiped clean of sin, or pure in the eyes of The Lord. Pardoned means consequences will still be served, meaning they are not cleared of the sin and forgiven.
I gave Biblical examples, but since I believe the D&C to be scripture as well, I feel free to quote it. But I will always make it clear when I do.
Right, I get that point. And I said as much the last time. You have faith and devotion and until I have faith and devotion you will not accept that I *understand* your religion. You have put your religion into an entirely subjective position, unassailable by criticism.

To be honest that ended the conversation many, many pages ago. There is simply nothing more we can possibly say to each other if we are not going to use reason and logic to have the conversation. I am uninterested in surrendering my intellectual integrity to faith. You are uninterested in examining your religion critically. We have an impasse.

To be clear on the Bible issue, I don't mean to say I'm anything like an expert. I have a working knowledge of the subject and a purely intellectual interest in it. I can't quote it, and I don't remember most of what I read about it. It's a big damn book.

I am not aware of any Christian doctrine that states murder will be "pardoned" but not forgiven. If that is a specifically Mormon teaching then you are in a very small minority of opinion and the vast bulk of Christian teaching is against you.

How do you know you are correct? What was your process for figuring out the truth?
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#111128 Aug 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course. Excluding >certain< voters is precisely the proposal that's come to be expected from Tea Bagger "patriots."
"Excluding >certain< voters"???
You mean like Illegal Aliens, Dead People, and Pets???
I'd rather drink the Tea, Not the Koolaid!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#111129 Aug 21, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
Those of us who believe in God , have the Bible to learn from , and Christ to lead us and teach.
There are millions of believers who will confirm this to be true.
You who do not believe , have to rely on nosensical theories , make up events that Science claims occured billions of years ago , undocumented unwitnessed and not reported by anyone.
No one knows where , how , when or why these events supposedly occured.
Determined to deny God's existence they must resort to illucid , imaginary events concocted based on the magical assumption that life was created by some unexplained accident in a mud puddle , somewhere somehow some way.....To which I say ,,,,No way.
You of the Atheist persuasion , in an allout effort to deny God's existence , have had to betray your God given intellect in exchange for a lie....
You may not outwardly admit it , but in turn ,your conscience pushes you to continue seeking evidence for God's existence.
Atheists , in turn , will deny they are seeking God and attribute their search to some absurd reason.
" I fight your beliefs because you are an enemy of Science"
" You don't understand Science"
" You believe in magic "
And all the other nonsense that you subscribe to instead of facing reality.
We study the Bible . Others study old rocks , old bones and from these , draw unreal conclusions.
Never saw a dinosaur hatched from a chicken egg .
How is it that a dinosaur created an egg from which was hatched a CHICKEN?
Anyhow , this is ancient history...
It has been discussed ,argued over , debated and batted around
over the last 100,000 posts .
You guys are still here ,nothing accomplished , still bebating that which you claim does not exist...
Those efforts can be described in 2 words,,,Sheer lunacy....
Learned men believed for 2000 years or more that an imbalance in bodily fluids (blood, black bile, yellow bile, and phlegm) led to all sickness. This is not true.

So to say that millions (its actually billions) of people today believe in an invisible friend is not very shocking. And proves nothing except that people are willing to believe things that make them feel better.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#111130 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>i understand you are a republican, thus do not agree with Obama's agenda, but when you claim god told you he was evil, you just sound like the typical lunatic.
Religion is tied with politics and that has been my point for awhile. Religion was born from politics.
Thanks for giving evidence to my point.
Are you always that ignorant, or are you just being a Tard... Again?
I'll bet the latter!
Obama's agenda, or satan's agenda... one in the same!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#111131 Aug 21, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>First, my life or atheism does not depend upon any science.
I need no knowledge of how life or earth came to be in order to live. It is interesting, and could help my understanding of reality, but I do not hinge my life philosophy upon it.
Now you sit here and mock science yet claim it it I who does not understand science? You are just being nonsensical here.
The only thing that you have said that makes sense is, we are likely not accomplishing talking to you guys.
But does one need to be always accomplishing things? Some things might just be a hobby.
My atheism came from a life of observation and an inherent willingness to be critical of ideas. My parents took me to church maybe 20 times and maybe to a dozen different churches. I appreciate the fact that I saw all those different Christian sects and that I was never forced to engage in their practices. I think this helped me have no inhibitions about being critical of them.

I did used to have a latent belief in something, or fear of it. I was afraid to curse because I thought god might be listening. I remember saying "god damn" quietly once when I was about 11 or 12. Nothing bad happened.

I've been saying god damn ever since, god dammit.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#111132 Aug 21, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no such known writings that are God's Words, all words so far in human history were written by men.... Some were bat Shite Crazy men at that... If you have something verifiable written by God or a verifiable recording of God's words now that would something to check out...
I don't Believe in anything... I Know, I think I Know or I do Not Know on a sliding scale... I Never Believe...
We hope that some day, your "Do not know" turns into "I do know", as ours has!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#111133 Aug 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No I don't feel ok about that!
I have no idea why some things happen, why some non smokers die of lung cancer, and others smoke into their 90's without a problem...
Why one teacher gets punched in the head, and dies, and a person gets ran over by a car, and doesn't get a scratch, or why
2 rounds pass through my head without leaving a hole!
But I do know... it's Not about the body, but the soul!
Evil, or Good, choice to do right, or wrong!
Wait a minute. You have said countless times you KNOW that god is real and that you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, a man who died 2000 years ago. How is it that you have "no idea" why your god allows such suffering? If you know him so well, how are you so ignorant about this?

I want to know how you can have faith in an all powerful being that does not lift a finger to prevent the rape and murder of three little girls. Please explain that to me.

Remember,*all powerful*. Can do anything. Knows everything. Clearly you find the rape and murder of children to be an evil thing. Yet here it is happening, over and over again. And god knows about it and can stop it.

But he doesn't stop it.

Why?
Pastafarian

Pikeville, KY

#111134 Aug 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Are you always that ignorant, or are you just being a Tard... Again?
I'll bet the latter!
Obama's agenda, or satan's agenda... one in the same!
And thanks for proving Mike Duquette's point,*golf clap*
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#111135 Aug 21, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
That's sure a solid relationship you have going on with your God.
So tell me.... Why haven't you asked him for the lotto numbers? Better yet, if you have asked..why hasn't he told you that bit of info?
Why hasn't he supplied you with the cure for cancer?
bout the Lotto...
Do you think He loves me more than you?
and as the lotto win would be more of a curse, than a blessing...

He gave us the cure for cancer... read the Bible!

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