Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 137688 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#110812 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
The Nazis and Christianity
By Bruce Walker
Christianity had declined severely in Germany at the time the Nazis came to power, which is why the Nazis were able to come to power. In his book, The Dictators, Richard Overy states that in the decades preceding the First World War Germany was becoming increasingly secular, and that after that war, from 1918 to 1931, 2.4 million Evangelical Christians formally renounced their faith as well as almost half a million Catholics. In Prussia, only 21% of the population took communion and in Hamburg only five percent of the population took communion. Before Hitler, German religious leaders were publicly condemning the rise of moral relativism and decline of traditional religious values.
Weimar Germany largely had abandoned Christianity and increasingly was embracing hedonism, Marxism and paganism. There, decline of Christianity in Germany led directly to the rise of Nazism. Professor Henri Lichtenberger in his 1937 book, The Third Reich, describes the religious life of the Weimar Republic as a place in which the large cities were "spiritual cemeteries" with almost no believers at all, except for those who were members of the clergy. The middle class went through the motions, but lacked all living faith. The workers, influenced by socialism, were suspicious of the church. Even in the countryside, preachers had little influence on the people. In the 1938 book, The War Against God, by Sidney Dark and R.S. Essex, describes pre-Nazi antipathy toward Christianity by noting that churches had lost all their vitality and that their services were lifeless. Mower, in his 1938 book, Germany Puts the Clock Back, wrote that by 1920, God and Christianity had been in steady decline, a process that had begun in 1860. Mower talks about a culture not so much casual as vicious about sexuality. He writes of art sickened into atonal music, about the absence of any sense of sin, about entire graduating classes in high school turning up for birth control devices, and about the commonplace occurrence of abortion.
This hostility or indifference toward Christianity in Europe, and especially in Germany, led naturally to a profound anti-Christian sentiment in Nazi Germany
"Envy , greed ,lusts ,deceit and jealousy among others."

So was "deceit" the reason for this post? Or was the lie for another reason?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#110813 Aug 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So all those Christians who support Obama are what, lead by Satan? Are you just trying to get on Q's good side here?
I really don't even know what to say about this insane claim of yours.
All my sides are good sides.....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Manchester, KY

#110814 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I am sure that Stalin,Mao Tse tung and other destructive atheists thought themselves to be Honorable men.
Mafia Chieftains consider themselves to be men of honor.
You need only read the postings of Atheists on this website and see how they self proclaim themselves men of honor...
At no time have they ever committed an act for which they would feel ashamed.
Of course ,that is all based on their value system , which may well permit for any type of behaviour as being acceptable as long as it pertains to them individually and not others.
Obviously , Honor is a hollow meaningless symbol,since it can be applied as one pleases.
Human nature is controlled by strong unhealthy desires.
Envy , greed ,lusts ,deceit and jealousy among others.
Those who deny that they have no such desires and are not motivated by such ,are liars , in addition to.
What you posted , which you are attributing to me , is a description of your own desires.
You are partially right. Many things that I no longer do , is due to my fear of God, but more importantly , I now realize hjow corrupt human nature is.
Those who claim to be (HONORABLE) and self righteous continue being controlled by their carnal desires and condem others for behaviour that they themselves continue to practice.
You , being an honorable person , best not cast the first stone, cause someone may unleash a mountainful of boulders in your direction...
What one thinks themselves to be is of little concern... One might think it honorable to run into a burning building and save a child.. And it would be... But if when kicking in the door you find the reason you are doing so is because you seek the fame of being a hero then there is no Honor in the person... As I said one can do the Honorable thing for very dishonorable reasons... Not matter how their delusional minds rationalize it...

In your case all I have to go by is your posts and your posts tells the tale of a dishonorable person attempting to do honorable things for dishonorable reasons...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#110815 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
The Nazis and Christianity
By Bruce Walker
Christianity had declined severely in Germany at the time the Nazis came to power, which is why the Nazis were able to come to power. In his book, The Dictators, Richard Overy states that in the decades preceding the First World War Germany was becoming increasingly secular, and that after that war, from 1918 to 1931, 2.4 million Evangelical Christians formally renounced their faith as well as almost half a million Catholics. In Prussia, only 21% of the population took communion and in Hamburg only five percent of the population took communion. Before Hitler, German religious leaders were publicly condemning the rise of moral relativism and decline of traditional religious values.
Weimar Germany largely had abandoned Christianity and increasingly was embracing hedonism, Marxism and paganism. There, decline of Christianity in Germany led directly to the rise of Nazism. Professor Henri Lichtenberger in his 1937 book, The Third Reich, describes the religious life of the Weimar Republic as a place in which the large cities were "spiritual cemeteries" with almost no believers at all, except for those who were members of the clergy. The middle class went through the motions, but lacked all living faith. The workers, influenced by socialism, were suspicious of the church. Even in the countryside, preachers had little influence on the people. In the 1938 book, The War Against God, by Sidney Dark and R.S. Essex, describes pre-Nazi antipathy toward Christianity by noting that churches had lost all their vitality and that their services were lifeless. Mower, in his 1938 book, Germany Puts the Clock Back, wrote that by 1920, God and Christianity had been in steady decline, a process that had begun in 1860. Mower talks about a culture not so much casual as vicious about sexuality. He writes of art sickened into atonal music, about the absence of any sense of sin, about entire graduating classes in high school turning up for birth control devices, and about the commonplace occurrence of abortion.
This hostility or indifference toward Christianity in Europe, and especially in Germany, led naturally to a profound anti-Christian sentiment in Nazi Germany
From Wiki:

"A German census in May 1939, completed more than six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates that 54% of Germans considered themselves Protestant,(including non-denominational Christians) and 40% considered themselves Catholic, with only 3.5% claiming to be neo-pagan "believers in God," and 1.5 % non-Christians, or "non-believers". "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi...

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http://books.google.com/books...

Therefore Nazi Christians killed millions of Jews.

Likewise, concerning Stalin and those other a**clowns, they didn't do all the killing on their own. Their armies did it. Among those soldiers were most certainly many religious adherents. Regardless of whether or not a dictator says you can believe in god or gods people traditionally did and do believe. So the idea that these millions and millions of people were killed by atheists is absurd.

Put it this way. If a Catholic president ordered the slaughter of a million people it would be carried out by soldiers. What are the odds that all the soldiers would be Catholic?

Very, very low indeed.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#110816 Aug 18, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok bi-curious,
The cause of your confusion and inability to answer my questions is plain , christians believe theres a god and some of todays atheists also believe theres a god just a smaller chance. That must be tough for you is your belief to strong or not strong enough. I truly can see how that is confusing for you.
I say there is no god just like there is no elephant in my trunk or a fat guy in a red suit that slips down chimneys, absurd beliefs each and every one.
But as we discussed earlier there is help for your delusions and your confusion just get off the fence.
Which do you think is the biggest problem with religion, ignorance or delusion?
How did the atheist hurt you that caused such confflict in you?
Why do you think about atheism so much?
Are you a closet atheist?
Christianity has a lot of evil people in it. How do you think it should be cleaned up?
87% of prison populations are christian. Is that why you're considering atheism?
So do you believe that jesus loves a sinner? And if yes. Do you believe thats why so many christians are sinners?
Did you know delusions are a mental disorder just like a disease but some get better and become non-believers. Shows some hope for mental illness. Don't you agree thats a good thing?
Your questions are based on your nonunderstanding of reality.
Questions based on one's ignorance of the truth can not be answered in an intelligent manner , since the content of the question is based on a nonintelligent supposition.
So I have not answered your questions , not due to my dcelusions or confusion.
It is primarily due to the questioner being confused,deluded and mentally disabled.
No Atheist has, nor will they hurt me.
One of the problems confronting Christianity is that Atheists and
other mentally vasectomized individuals try to portray an erroneous picture of what Christianity is.
Let me give you an example;
In your state of ignorance , you claim that the jails are full of Christians...You have no clue as to what being a Christian means.
That someone may claim they believe in Jesus,DOES NOT a CHRISTIAN MAKE.
They have plateaued at a lower level than Jesus intended when He gave the Great Commission to “Go therefore and make disciples ... teaching them to observe all that I commanded you,”

John 8:31 -
31 So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My Disciples
Obviously , many of those in jail did not hold fast to his word,
Otherwise they would not be there.
You and the other atheists should sign up for a Bible study course. Once you become well informed on the teachings of MY LORD,then get back to me.
It is possible that after you get through studying the Bible under proper tutelage , I may be able to learn from you.
If you continue listenig to the nonsense emanating from your head, listening to Mr. Duquette,Mr. Chromiuman,The Witch from the East , Mr. Quantunmmist and other purveyors of nonsense and misinformation ,that particular chapter of your life will be titled
A Fools Folly

You may not believe in him,,,,,Nevertheless
Our God lives,,,Our God reigns and Jesus Christ is Lord.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#110817 Aug 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
What one thinks themselves to be is of little concern... One might think it honorable to run into a burning building and save a child.. And it would be... But if when kicking in the door you find the reason you are doing so is because you seek the fame of being a hero then there is no Honor in the person... As I said one can do the Honorable thing for very dishonorable reasons... Not matter how their delusional minds rationalize it...
In your case all I have to go by is your posts and your posts tells the tale of a dishonorable person attempting to do honorable things for dishonorable reasons...
In those who live according to their human nature I see;
Dishonorable people doing dishonorable things while claiming to be honorable.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#110818 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
Your questions are based on your nonunderstanding of reality.
Questions based on one's ignorance of the truth can not be answered in an intelligent manner , since the content of the question is based on a nonintelligent supposition.
So I have not answered your questions , not due to my dcelusions or confusion.
It is primarily due to the questioner being confused,deluded and mentally disabled.
No Atheist has, nor will they hurt me.
One of the problems confronting Christianity is that Atheists and
other mentally vasectomized individuals try to portray an erroneous picture of what Christianity is.
Let me give you an example;
In your state of ignorance , you claim that the jails are full of Christians...You have no clue as to what being a Christian means.
That someone may claim they believe in Jesus,DOES NOT a CHRISTIAN MAKE.
They have plateaued at a lower level than Jesus intended when He gave the Great Commission to “Go therefore and make disciples ... teaching them to observe all that I commanded you,”
John 8:31 -
31 So Jesus said to those Jews who had believed in Him, If you abide in My word [hold fast to My teachings and live in accordance with them], you are truly My Disciples
Obviously , many of those in jail did not hold fast to his word,
Otherwise they would not be there.
You and the other atheists should sign up for a Bible study course. Once you become well informed on the teachings of MY LORD,then get back to me.
It is possible that after you get through studying the Bible under proper tutelage , I may be able to learn from you.
If you continue listenig to the nonsense emanating from your head, listening to Mr. Duquette,Mr. Chromiuman,The Witch from the East , Mr. Quantunmmist and other purveyors of nonsense and misinformation ,that particular chapter of your life will be titled
A Fools Folly
You may not believe in him,,,,,Nevertheless
Our God lives,,,Our God reigns and Jesus Christ is Lord.
So 12 questions unanswered is that other posters fault or just your need to deceive as you and I established earlier? And your invisible flying critter has nothing to do with your inability to understand and answer questions. Do you blame the church for that or your belief?
ninety nine percent

Somerset, KY

#110819 Aug 18, 2013
Would you Want a Stranger to Learn your Child about God, if the answer is Yes, you Display a Misunderstanding of Gods Word, it is the Mother and Fathers Duty, to bring their Children to God, the Problem with the Constitution, and the Bible, is that there is to much wiggle room, it is all in the Interpretation, how else can you explain so mant different Religions, and have you ever witnessed Two Supreme Court Judges Argue and Debate the Constitution! WOW! I rest my Case!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#110820 Aug 18, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
So 12 questions unanswered is that other posters fault or just your need to deceive as you and I established earlier? And your invisible flying critter has nothing to do with your inability to understand and answer questions. Do you blame the church for that or your belief?
I thought you and I agreed that your questions , based on your noncomprehension of Christianity ,are not worthy of a response .
Let me ask you a question 3 questions. If you can give me a sensible answer , then I may be able to provide you with an adequate response to your nonsensible request.

Is it further to New York or by Bus?

Do you walk to work or pack a lunch?

Are the prices of eggs in China worth the wear and tear on a chicken's butt?
ninety nine percent

Somerset, KY

#110821 Aug 18, 2013
People are Truly Lost, do I have to be a Republican to be a Christian, Free Will, how do you get around that, everyone is not going to Heaven, if you look back through History, the problem with Religion is MAN! he always seems to make the BIBLE SUIT HIS WILL, instead of driving People away from GOD they should bring them to GOD! it might not be so Bad if they really where Children of GOD, BEWARE FALSE PROFITS, it is Obvious to Me that they Serve the World!

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#110822 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you and I agreed that your questions , based on your noncomprehension of Christianity ,are not worthy of a response .
Let me ask you a question 3 questions. If you can give me a sensible answer , then I may be able to provide you with an adequate response to your nonsensible request.
Is it further to New York or by Bus?
Do you walk to work or pack a lunch?
Are the prices of eggs in China worth the wear and tear on a chicken's butt?
Since you obviously can't get your answers for my questions from your make believe friend right now I will wait.
Known Fact

Kissimmee, FL

#110823 Aug 18, 2013
ninety nine percent wrote:
People are Truly Lost, do I have to be a Republican to be a Christian, Free Will, how do you get around that, everyone is not going to Heaven, if you look back through History, the problem with Religion is MAN! he always seems to make the BIBLE SUIT HIS WILL, instead of driving People away from GOD they should bring them to GOD! it might not be so Bad if they really where Children of GOD, BEWARE FALSE PROFITS, it is Obvious to Me that they Serve the World!
I agree!
What do you think of the following information?

Why are there so many religions?
A recent tabulation concluded that there are 10 main religions and some 10,000 sects. Of these, some 6,000 exist in Africa, 1,200 in the United States, and hundreds in other lands.
Many factors have contributed to the development of new religious groups. Some have said that the various religions all represent different ways of presenting religious truth. But a comparison of their teachings and practices with the Bible indicates, rather, that the diversity of religions is because people have become followers of men instead of listening to God. It is noteworthy that, to a large extent, teachings they hold in common, but that differ from the Bible, originated in ancient Babylon.(See pages 50, 51, under the heading “Babylon the Great.”)
Who is the instigator of such religious confusion? The Bible identifies Satan the Devil as “the god of this system of things.”(2 Cor. 4:4) It warns us that “the things which the nations sacrifice they sacrifice to demons, and not to God.”(1 Cor. 10:20) How vitally important, then, to make sure that we really are worshiping the true God, the Creator of heaven and earth, and that our worship is pleasing to him!
Are all religions acceptable to God?
Judg. 10:6, 7:“The sons of Israel again proceeded to do what was bad in the eyes of Jehovah, and they began to serve the Baals and the Ashtoreth images and the gods of Syria and the gods of Sidon and the gods of Moab and the gods of the sons of Ammon and the gods of the Philistines. So they left Jehovah and did not serve him. At this Jehovah’s anger blazed against Israel.”(If a person worships any thing or any person other than the true God, the Creator of heaven and earth, it is evident that his form of worship is not acceptable to Jehovah.)
Mark 7:6, 7:“He [Jesus] said to them [the Jewish Pharisees and scribes]:‘Isaiah aptly prophesied about you hypocrites, as it is written,“This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshiping me, because they teach as doctrines commands of men.”’”(Regardless of whom a group profess to worship, if they hold to doctrines of men instead of the inspired Word of God, their worship is in vain.)
Rom. 10:2, 3:“I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God; but not according to accurate knowledge; for, because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.”(People may have God’s written Word but lack accurate knowledge of what it contains, because they have not been taught properly. They may feel that they are zealous for God, but they may not be doing what he requires. Their worship is not going to please God, is it?)

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#110834 Aug 18, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you obviously can't get your answers for my questions from your make believe friend right now I will wait.
That is a good idea. Sit down ,relax ,wait, gather your wits about you.
But, see , you got Mr. Quantummist ticked off.
If you hadn't done that , you could have asked him the answers to my questions. He has an answer for everything,,usually wrong,,,but, so what.
You been getting wrong answers all your life.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#110835 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a good idea. Sit down ,relax ,wait, gather your wits about you.
But, see , you got Mr. Quantummist ticked off.
If you hadn't done that , you could have asked him the answers to my questions. He has an answer for everything,,usually wrong,,,but, so what.
You been getting wrong answers all your life.
Do you attribute your dishonesty to god or is it just you?
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#110845 Aug 18, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Recall that news story I posted a while back. Three little girls in India who were raped, killed, and tossed down a well.
Now tell me all about your "just" god.
I'll bet those girls went to heaven, and most likely not even thinking about that right now!
But... lets do study the things that make perverts!
You ever buy, rent, or watch an adult mag, or video???
See, that also is another choice, as the Bible states...
whom you yield yourselves to, you are their servants!
Much evil is in those pages, ruining families, and lives!
Supported by the ignorant to turn decency to indecency!
I'll bet that you'll post about Porn being A-ok, and not
understand the depths of depravity!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#110846 Aug 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I figured that all by my self..... Case Closed, I'm Real....
LOL
So is God!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#110847 Aug 18, 2013
mantle wrote:
<quoted text>
I once lived in the sewer of my human nature, not believing in God.
God got me out of that sewer. Those still living under those same sewerlike conditions , would like to drag me back in.
You will fail
One does not exchange a Gold mine for a latrine filled to overflowing .
Given the mental health of unbelievers ,it is certain that THEY are afflicted by Ignorance and Delusion.
One of your own seems to have discovered that which afflicts you.
Freudian slip , a mistake in speech or behaviour which shows what one is really thinking.
Atheists attending religious services.
Atheists invoking God's name in times of stress
Atheists continuously debating that which they insist does not exist.
In an aside; I can help you try and crawl out of the sewer , but ,I will not let you drag me back in
AMEN!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#110848 Aug 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm saying that playing the race card is old and in most cases idiotic to play... There is a big deference between being prejudice and racism.... You are prejudice, I am prejudice... Everyone has been prejudice at one point or another... being prejudice does not make someone racist... and prejudice can have absolutely nothing to do with race.... It's roots come from Pre-Judging and if I someone dressed a certain way, have a certain king of car and a 1000 other outward things, Someone states they believe in a god, someone says they are atheist and a 1000 other details makes all of us Pre-Judge others even when we do not realize it....
But I'm tired of the chicken shite race baiting ploys....
Great post!
We all bleed red!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#110849 Aug 18, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again you use the word "prove" incorrectly. How can we prove anything to you if you do not even know how to use the word properly?
Evolution has been proven to billions of people. Of course it cannot be proven to someone who is so ignorant as to not even know how to use the word "proven".
Hold that thought!
stuck in a lodi

Pikeville, KY

#110850 Aug 18, 2013
Please explain why you feel that non believers would consider rapist, molesters, killers, A-ok?
Lets see, Incest is weaved throughout the bible, Killings is commonplace in the bible, and all performed by men of God. I'll bet you'll post about these things being A-ok!

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