Yeah, it gets pretty disgusting watching some of the druids on their quests of stomp, pillage and plunder in the stores at Christmas time.<quoted text>
Sure. I'm being hyperbolic, to some degree. Of course some people include religious elements in their Christmas celebrations. But I don't, and virtually all of the commercial Christmas stuff leaves it out.
My point is that the holiday is owned by everyone in Western culture. It is not limited to Christians and doesn't have anything to do with Christ for all practical purposes.
That's how these things evolve. We still call Thursday by a name that honors a god nobody believes in anymore.
But I for one, still enjoy seeing a nice, NON gaudy manger scene along with the SOME rest of the oh so commercialized, over hyped, over priced displays of materialism.:-).