Bible study rules for public schools ...

Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 178278 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109482 Aug 1, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
Truth is tough on religies, it drives them nuts, lol.
In most cases it don't take much gas....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109483 Aug 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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It's all about scope. In my example, there would be some that did not know someone made the toy.
Who says the watchmaker is a fallacy? Things work together too complex to have happened by chance. The way the human body works, the solar system, rain, seasons, foliage, all these things work together very well, by chance?
The earth we live on is but one planet of many hundreds of billions. Scientists are usually pretty good at math. If the chances were so slim, why would they say it looks to be natural? You act as if you are the first person who ever pointed this out.
So you think complex things cannot be natural? No wonder your kind invented the idea of god.
And you forget that the complex god you believe in needed no creator?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109484 Aug 1, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Michael Bay would pay you fifty dollars for that movie idea. But he'd ruin it.
Despite our obvious philosophical and personal differences you and I do agree pretty much entirely regarding evolution.
There are two movies I would really like to see made... One if "After Worlds Collide" book by Philip Gordon Wylie and "Rendezvous with Rama" by Arthur C. Clarke.... The Rama series would be a Great movie and has the sequels laid out already....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109485 Aug 1, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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Well, for one example-No CHRISTmas for Some of them!
Only the secular season of the abunDUNCe of nothing but materialistic commercialISM!
(no wonder so many with right hearts and good intentions get so grouchy at that time of year!)
So if we exchange gifts, just what are we cherry picking? The tradition of gift giving? What a sin.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109486 Aug 1, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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It's not the same thing then-you'll have to apply that into the "altered state due to outside interference" category.
You been watching some old cowboy and indian movies, where the cowboy kid was raised by indians for awhile-goes back out into the whiteman's world a few years, returns back to the reservation for a visit and partakes of one of them there tribal traditions of zonking out to peyoteland and calling it a "spiritual experience", or something?
Mm nope, not the same thing.
Who are you to judge someones spiritual experience? Did you already forget you charged me with this? You really cannot help being a hypocrite, can you?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109487 Aug 1, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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I think you're confusing Science, with sociology, and you may have some priority deficiencies, DUDE.
Schools are for academic LEARNING first. I have NO problem with biology, physics, chemistry etc. being taught. That is how it should, and what should be taught in secular Science classroom-as Science classroom are NOT meant to be implemented as out of control barroom brawling/gambling/salacious outlet type atmospheres either.
I see "civilized" as minding ones manners, treating ALL others with humane respect, including the many different beliefs of the same, and that includes NOT trying to hatefully demean, twist and distort the dignity of ANYone not bothering anyone else...not just SOME.
AND let me say while I am at-on your "equality" remark; I do NOT believe in extreme socialism either, Especially some sort of warped entitleMENTAL, warpedly self-exaulted czarish, commietic type socialism--personally finding that it quickly DEGRADES whole societies to dysfunctional and apathetic levels.
Example-
If a whole "equalized" class takes a math test in a more MERIT based environment, each individuals efforts (or LACK thereof) are awarded accordingly, fairly and justly, based upon the grade they've rightfully EARNED.
Cheaters are disqualified automatically-Shame on Them--because they would NOT have actually earned such based upon their own merits to start with. Anyway...
Let's say you have studied long and hard and put the actual work into preparing for such a test, all on your own...and maybe there's a few others in your classroom that have as well, but only a couple/few more. The rest vary--some have applied SOME effort, some have done almost nothing that required any real effort at all.
The test is distributed, and the grades range from let's say a 98 percent, to a 40 percent, median being around an 80...and the test giver decides just because they don't like the range of the grades, they're going to just go ahead and shave off a few points of the higher scoring test takers, and give it to the slackers.
So let's just say for further example (since you have claimed to study for years)...
You scored a 98...I'll be the test giver....and I'm taking 18 points OFF your grade and giving it to a couple of the 40 percenter slcakertics that put absolutely NO effort into earning ANY of it.
Now think about that a minute or two..and then tell me...
How well do YOU like how that makes YOU feel?
Not that this is the equality I was speaking of at all. You would be doing good just to let all have an equal start, but you are against that, so the rant about going beyond that is pointless.
I am not for communism either.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109488 Aug 1, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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Your point varies slightly from Mine.
MY point was, the reading is in the eye of the beholder AND I also believe THAT anyone's frame of mind while reading ALSO has a lot to do with how we interpret things...and SOME no doubt, DO read with "holier" minds than others, while others read from "holier than thou" attitudes lol.
Will you PLEASE learn to stick with speaking for ONLY yourself, and NOT twisting OTHERS opinions to suit just your own- for trees sake?
I fail to see the difference in our stance. The frame of mind of a person is due to his influences and environment, not any ghosts.
You can say it a hundred different ways. One involves ghosts, and the other does not.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109489 Aug 1, 2013
SistaNoneYaBiz wrote:
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So wouldn't it ruffle your peacock feathers, you KNOWING the difference then?
Kind of like some pack of IDIOTS standing there accusing you of being zoned out, when you're NOT..and you weren't, you knowing you hadn't been, because you know BETTER?
Duhmmy hypocrites...need to grow up and tend to their own faults and imperfections before they even THINK about picking at ANYONE else's-that's for sure!!
Are you saying it can only be a spiritual experience if you are ignorant of why your brain thinks as it does?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109490 Aug 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Your examples only mean that we don't have scientific evidence to support these claims. It doesn't mean it didn't or couldn't happen. It doesn't even mean it isn't probable. If I am right in the things I have said, this is on purpose. We are here to test our faith and receive a physical body to continue our progression. With proof, there is no room for faith, so this important part of our earthly existence would be wasted.
Their is no logical need for faith.
What you cite is propaganda. This story became the necessity due to the lack of evidence.
Religion succeeded in making you believe faith was a noble thing.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109491 Aug 1, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Wonder why organisms didn't evolve into dinosaurs again?
Well mammals took over. The environment was conducive to the mammals of the day. But you could consider birds, dinosaurs of sorts. Birds fit in the new environment better than large dinosaurs.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#109492 Aug 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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In most cases it don't take much gas....
Yes, just a short trip around the cul-de-sac.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#109493 Aug 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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There are two movies I would really like to see made... One if "After Worlds Collide" book by Philip Gordon Wylie and "Rendezvous with Rama" by Arthur C. Clarke.... The Rama series would be a Great movie and has the sequels laid out already....
Just don't let Michael Bay touch them. If you saw the train wreck that was Transformers 2 (and 1, truth be told) you'll know what I mean. At some point early in that flick I had that moment of being aware that I was watching a terrible, terrible movie and I just wanted it to end.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#109494 Aug 1, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Yea but in time you will come around to the light side....
Is that like finding Jesus? lol

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#109495 Aug 1, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, There is much about Evolution and Atheism that belong in Japanese Science Fiction movies...
You guys woulda loved Fred Sanford ... And his son...
The big Dummy
Oh yeah, science and science fiction go hand-in-hand. Duh. That's why it's called science fiction.

With the Bible you don't have to add the fiction. It's already there. It's just that it sucks. A movie based on the Bible would be a crapfest worse than Beverley Hills Chihuahua 3.

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#109496 Aug 1, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Their is no logical need for faith.
What you cite is propaganda. This story became the necessity due to the lack of evidence.
Religion succeeded in making you believe faith was a noble thing.
God and Rod Serling

A number of series have been influence by mormons. I have to say I do find the syfy imagination of these writers entertaining.

This fusion of religion, science fiction, and fantasy is not unusual to Utahans. Brigham Young University alumni Orson Scott Card (Enderís Game) and Stephenie Meyer (Twilight Series), both practicing Mormons, include religious themes in their stories. Ender Wigginís father is Roman Catholic, and his mother is a Latter-day Saint, while Twilight begins with a biblical quote on its frontispiece,........

Card also has two other series, Homecoming Saga and Alvin Maker, the former placing the Book of Mormon figures in a science-future setting, and the latter retelling the life of Latter-day Saint prophet Joseph Smith in a frontier-fantasy setting.

Another Latter-day Saint, Glen A. Larson, regularly incorporated religious ideas into the first-run-version of Battlestar Galactica. This fusion has been institutionalized by BYUís yearly science fiction writing convention Life, The Universe, and Everything.

http://www.examiner.com/article/god-and-rod-s...
SistaNoneYABiz

London, KY

#109497 Aug 1, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So if we exchange gifts, just what are we cherry picking? The tradition of gift giving? What a sin.
You said it, I didn't.

(Talk about denial or.. maybe just hitting some deNails on deheaders?)
SisterNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#109499 Aug 1, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Who are you to judge someones spiritual experience? Did you already forget you charged me with this? You really cannot help being a hypocrite, can you?
You Might want to Ask YOURSELF your questions Mr Hypocrite...
I simply stated... being in an altered state resulting from a "high" on anything like "schrooms" (or anything similar), was NOT in the same category.
Let me tale a guess here, I you thought LSD was cool once upon a time too?

Not me. Not ever.

Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Of course their is no way to prove, this is why I think it is but a myth. The facts point to it being a myth. In other words, the evidence is against you, not with you.

The only similarities between the many churches are the ones that are clearly claimed in the bible. No ghost needed here.
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quoted text>First, how can you speak for all of what that feeling, feels like?
Second, I have felt this emotion towards what I believed. I was once very religious. The feeling I had did affect my body and mind. But does this feeling mean a god is real or does it just mean my belief was real? I think the latter is so.
SisterNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#109500 Aug 1, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying it can only be a spiritual experience if you are ignorant of why your brain thinks as it does?
No, actually that's not even anything remotely close to what I was inferring.

Maybe try reading it again, when your brain's working a little better?

“xcntrikridner@ yahoo.com”

Since: Aug 13

Cannon, KY

#109501 Aug 1, 2013
I don't see how they can study "the Bible" 2 school anyhow. I suggest studying it 2 home. It would be much more effective that way anyhow.

“xcntrikridner@ yahoo.com”

Since: Aug 13

Cannon, KY

#109502 Aug 1, 2013
2=@.....very sorry.

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