Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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An attack on grammar is really only reasonable when a poster seems to consistently break basic grammatical rules, such as refusing to put a space after a comma every single time. And I would also say that it is only reasonable to criticize such a person if he or she posts very dumb things.
And it does happen. Oh my, does it happen.
Wow, you really are asleep. I guessed someone would attack my grammar at the end of my statement and I was right on. You avoided all the information I posted previously and sure enough like clockwork, you attack the grammar. This is fun. Tick, tock, tick, tock.
Seriously though, you need to wake up. Try to stop watching ALL tv for 2 weeks and stop drinking the tap water (drink filtered, reverse osmosis water instead), and in the morning before you get out of bed, drink an 8 ounce glass of distilled water everyday to clear the toxins out and see if you don't feel any different...more aware of what is going on.
Don't get mad, just try it.
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Excuse me but that should be the Holy Trinity of WitchMikeChrome.
I am probably the oldest and should get top billing.
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(I only wish I could debate like you, Chrome and Skeptical. I was not taught debating in school and do not have a natural knack for it. Been trying to learn from you guys for years.)
Well thank you for the compliment. It took years of reading on a variety of topics and practice debating a variety of fanatics.

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The little footnote could have been wrong. Who's to say those were inspired? There are so many books missing in the Bible, the prophecy John spoke of could have been contained in a scroll we do not have. That pastor never thought that maybe the footnote was wrong? Wow
Who is to say any of the bible is correct?
Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, yet the biblical claims have no evidence at all. So expecting us to believe is unreasonable.
Expecting us to respect your discrimination of women and homosexuals due to your blind faith is not reasonable.
Believe what you wish, but when it tramples upon others, I have a problem with it and I will voice those concerns.

Your post is but excuses to keep in denial. Denial is the key to faith.

Bart Ehrman has long been one of the most famous biblical scholars of our time.
He was a devout evangelical Christian. As he studied the bible, the more he found discrepancies that made him have doubts. A few years ago he came out and declared himself an agnostic.
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<quoted text>Who is to say any of the bible is correct?
Extra ordinary claims require extra ordinary evidence, yet the biblical claims have no evidence at all. So expecting us to believe is unreasonable.
Expecting us to respect your discrimination of women and homosexuals due to your blind faith is not reasonable.
Believe what you wish, but when it tramples upon others, I have a problem with it and I will voice those concerns.
Your post is but excuses to keep in denial. Denial is the key to faith.
Bart Ehrman has long been one of the most famous biblical scholars of our time.
He was a devout evangelical Christian. As he studied the bible, the more he found discrepancies that made him have doubts. A few years ago he came out and declared himself an agnostic.
Just curious, but what were the discrepancies you are referring too?
Because there are no discrepancies in the bible.
Have you ever investigated the bible?
The truth will set you free.

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Have I ever asked you to listen to what I have to say?
You need to listen to what SCIENCE AND PSYCHIATRY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE MENTAL CONDITIONS AFFLICTING ATHEISTS.
There are some great things happening,for which I will give them credit.
Many attend religious services.
Obviously looking for answers and solutions to issues that Atheism is not capable of solving,due to the fact that,Atheism is the cause.
Many of your children are converting into believers.
Still in all,Atheism,as you well know,causes mental disorders ,addiction to foreign substances and suicidial tendencies.
Would you not agree that your time would be better spent trying to help those wretched souls who are suffering under the burden placed on them by unbelief,instead of trying to correct my grammar .
As fasr as my grammar,have any of you 2 or 3 Atheists figured it out yet.....My postings have contained enough hints.../In English and other languages..
Hasta Luego Monsieurs,frauleins and testa di cipollas
Does the study claim atheism causes these problems? Nope, so why lie about it repeatedly?
Does the study claim atheism cannot solve these problems? Nope, likely because that is just a nonsensical claim to start with. But that certainly does not prevent you from lying about it.

Does the study say why some atheist attend church? Yes, but not for the reasons you just claimed, so why keep lying about it?

Their are many non religious ways to solve the issues you cite. I get that you believe religion is the only answer, but that is clearly just bias and closed minded ignorance speaking, not facts.

I get that you are not burdened with guilt when you lie, as the other study you posted showed the religious are often not stressed with guilt when doing bad things. So sad your religion has blocked your natural moral compass.

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Just curious, but what were the discrepancies you are referring too?
Because there are no discrepancies in the bible.
Have you ever investigated the bible?
The truth will set you free.
Well I was telling you what Bart Ehrman found, so maybe you should ask him or read some of his books.
I have read some of them and it does seem to show discrepancies. But what I have a problem with is the philosophical discrepancies and moral reasoning or commands of the bible. Bart seems to have issues with the biblical reasons for suffering of man.

I am not fond of nit picking the details of the bible, but I will throw one out there just to see what your excuses sound like.
So just what is your excuse for the different telling/chronology of the creation story?
For example in the first story, the animals come first and man is then to be their ruler, but in the second, animals only come after Adam was created.

But again, I have more of dispute of the evidence of the creation story than any discrepancies.

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Are you CLAIMING that Hitler never put sodium fluoride in the water and that America doesn't do that to the public to this day?
You might need to look into that. And no ignorance is not bliss.
And I guess you missed the part in the Declaration of Independence where it states the creator? Hmmm, I wonder who they are talking about? hahahaha
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Are you claiming that "Thou shalt not commit murder" is not in the United States Laws? Seriously? Not to difficult to figure out.
Or how about "Thou shalt not steal"? I'm guessing you missed that one too?
"Creator" can mean nature or god or aliens for that matter, depending upon what you believe created.

I know I am jumping into a debate that is not mine, so I might have missed something, but what does the law of murder and it being a commandment have to do with anything?
Murder is an unjust killing. Now if only Moses could respect what was just or not. He had three thousand men, women and children murdered on the day he presented his commandments.

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<quoted text>Amen! God Bless you too :-)
Ha, ha, you forgot to change your name.

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<quoted text>Why are you in denial of our trinityness? You are me and I am you, and we are altogether.
Sitting in Winter Garden waiting for the Son. He is the Eggman, he has a bed pan, He is the curious... Goo Goo Gjoob
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<quoted text>Does the study claim atheism causes these problems? Nope, so why lie about it repeatedly?
Does the study claim atheism cannot solve these problems? Nope, likely because that is just a nonsensical claim to start with. But that certainly does not prevent you from lying about it.
Does the study say why some atheist attend church? Yes, but not for the reasons you just claimed, so why keep lying about it?
Their are many non religious ways to solve the issues you cite. I get that you believe religion is the only answer, but that is clearly just bias and closed minded ignorance speaking, not facts.
I get that you are not burdened with guilt when you lie, as the other study you posted showed the religious are often not stressed with guilt when doing bad things. So sad your religion has blocked your natural moral compass.
Stop spinning things and answer the question.
Wouldn't it be a more effective use of your time to try and help those Atheists "Unbelievers" who are afflicted by drug and alcohol addiction,who havwe mental problems and a higher suicide rate than the average,as opposed to worrying about my grammar?
It is a simple question..
Several studies have shown this to be true,then,you tell me why you believe this is occuring in your community.
Why are Atheists attending religious services on a regular basis? What is religion providind them that Atheism is not?
Why is there a higher rate of mental issues,suicides and alcohol and drug addiction?

And please,don't tell me they go to church because they like the music,the rituals or the architecture.
Or,to please theier friends and relatives....

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You do know that America was created behind the belief in God right?
Ever heard of the Declaration of Independence?
Who is talking about teaching ALL religions?
America's laws are currently based on the 10 commandments.
You might want to check up on your history a bit. I understand the public schools have been taking God out of the schools for quite some time now, so it is understandable they don't want the young to understand the truth. Example....why did Hitler put Sodium Fluoride in the water for the public? And America says that fluoride is good for your teeth, yet if you read the back of your toothpaste, it clearly states to call poison control if you accidentally swallow what you normally put on the brush. I wonder why they put it in the water here in America???? I can tell you why Hitler put it in the water and why they are doing it here if you want to know.
Once you know the truth, the truth will set you free.
Peace.
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Most of the commandments are not American law. Likely because they are contradictory to freedom, and more specifically, religious freedom.

"You do know that America was created behind the belief in God right?"
First, what do you mean by "behind"? The majority of people have always believed in some god or another, so if believers started a country, does that mean it was "behind" a god? And if so, what does it matter? If you cannot show the relevancy of the claim, you are really showing nothing.

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Stop spinning things and answer the question.
Wouldn't it be a more effective use of your time to try and help those Atheists "Unbelievers" who are afflicted by drug and alcohol addiction,who havwe mental problems and a higher suicide rate than the average,as opposed to worrying about my grammar?
It is a simple question..
Several studies have shown this to be true,then,you tell me why you believe this is occuring in your community.
Why are Atheists attending religious services on a regular basis? What is religion providind them that Atheism is not?
Why is there a higher rate of mental issues,suicides and alcohol and drug addiction?
And please,don't tell me they go to church because they like the music,the rituals or the architecture.
Or,to please theier friends and relatives....
Well the study you posted answered some of these questions, but evidently your closed mind cannot process those answers. BTW, I was not focusing on your grammar. I focus on your hypocrisy, and denial.

I certainly have not claimed one should not try to help people with the problems cited, so why would you make such an accusation? Likely for a diversion from the substance as per usual with you.

I often try to help those addicted to alcohol or other substances. I was once an alcoholic and I have not had a drink in over fifteen years. My example helps teach. I needed no god to stop drinking. I used the power of my own will. I used the reasoning of the problems over-consumption can cause to determine why I should stop drinking altogether.

The study you cited told of why many atheists go to church. The main reason seems to be due to others in the family being members and thus they go due to family cohesiveness.

The suicide issue was with very elderly persons on the brink of death and likely in pain, as the study cited. I have shown reasons why this is logical, but ignored them. I guess I will have to repeat this until you can focus enough to respond to it.
Many might just reason that artificially prolonging life is a futile effort that is a burden to the surviving family members. Some of these reasons are financial. Some might not wish to endure the extreme pain of the body breaking down to death.

I fail to understand why a theist who believes in an afterlife tries so hard to prolong natural death if he or she has lived a long life. Seems to me the person might just be doubting that whole afterlife story.

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Conspiracy theories? Tin foil hat much?
Yeah, so the Declaration of Independence...let's see...I'm reading it now and all I can find is this mention of "nature's god". Upon looking up that term you know what I find? Discussions about Enlightenment philosophy and deism. You know what does not contain either of those ideas? Christianity.
You know what contains no Christianity? The Constitution of the United States of America.
You know what isn't based on the Ten Commandments? Virtually every law in the books.
Just to be clear, it is well documented that stealing and murder were laws in most lands long before the ten commandments were presented, so those laws were not "based" upon the commandments. They are based upon common moral reasoning.

To bad Moses could not even follow his own rules.

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<quoted text>The problem that you have is the ability to understand is... God is real, and He saved me!
I know it sounds like a broken record, but when God said "Let there be...." It happened! I do not want you separated from our Creator, but remember... it is your choice, not His!
So you divert from addressing a single point of Q's post and diverted. Guess that is what it takes to stay in denial and keep the faith. Play that broken record over and over, and keep that mind shut tight.

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You really need some class time,,,,
Amino acids can indeed generate in an oxygen rich environment, they can generate in a oxygen poor environment, they can generate in a methane rich or poor environ, They can generate in a UV saturated, electrically charged environment and can have phosphorus replaced with arsenic in structure....
We have no idea of the variations of the construct of what is called Life because we and all we observe evolved to fit the chemical makeup of the environments Here on earth and we Know that Life can exist from below freezing to above boiling temps, live happens in acid baths and alkaline conditions, at pressures a million times greater than you are able to handle and extreme low pressures.... Life can live and thrive in the water around the core of a nuclear reactor and in Every Case amino acids are at the base of their existence....
The problem that you have is the ability to understand the basic principles involved... the environment drives what life will be, you see life as requiring a specific environment to exist.. Earth today would be thriving with life even is there was no oxygen in the atmospheric gasses, it would be thriving if the environment was completely different as long as a few basic element were within limits... At least life as we are just starting to understand here on earth.... We have no idea what might constitute Life on other worlds....

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First of all, aliens are demons, and Satan did alter the DNA back before the days of Noah, there were giants and all kinds of freaky hybrids. Just go on youtube and look up giant skeletons.(the real media) That's why God destroyed the earth with the flood. You can find that in all kinds of ancient history from different parts of the world.
And of course you can find the answers in the Bible. Its whether you believe it or not, and you obviously don't believe it because you don't know the truth. You probably think we came from aliens like that show Ancient Aliens says. Stop watching the tv. Ever wonder why they call it TV PROGRAMMING??? You are being programmed. Hello? Don't get mad, I was asleep too not to long ago.
The schools only teach you what they want you to learn. The news only shows you what they want you to see. Start questioning all of it and you will find out the truth. It's like the matrix movie except you aren't hooked up to wires and fed through tubes and inside a shell.
Ever wonder why all those wealthy guys like Bill Gates drop out of College? Because they can't learn anything there. They program the kids to follow the rule established, not to think outside of the box.
Yes, if it is on Youtube, it must be real. Wait, but you can watch ancient aliens on Youtube. Wait, you can watch debunking ancient aliens on youtube. Wait, you can watch 9/11 conspiracy shows on youtube. Wait, you can watch debunking 9/11 conspiracy shows on youtube.
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<quoted text>Well the study you posted answered some of these questions, but evidently your closed mind cannot process those answers. BTW, I was not focusing on your grammar. I focus on your hypocrisy, and denial.
I certainly have not claimed one should not try to help people with the problems cited, so why would you make such an accusation? Likely for a diversion from the substance as per usual with you.
I often try to help those addicted to alcohol or other substances. I was once an alcoholic and I have not had a drink in over fifteen years. My example helps teach. I needed no god to stop drinking. I used the power of my own will. I used the reasoning of the problems over-consumption can cause to determine why I should stop drinking altogether.
The study you cited told of why many atheists go to church. The main reason seems to be due to others in the family being members and thus they go due to family cohesiveness.
The suicide issue was with very elderly persons on the brink of death and likely in pain, as the study cited. I have shown reasons why this is logical, but ignored them. I guess I will have to repeat this until you can focus enough to respond to it.
Many might just reason that artificially prolonging life is a futile effort that is a burden to the surviving family members. Some of these reasons are financial. Some might not wish to endure the extreme pain of the body breaking down to death.
I fail to understand why a theist who believes in an afterlife tries so hard to prolong natural death if he or she has lived a long life. Seems to me the person might just be doubting that whole afterlife story.
RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder.
CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.
It is amazing how a study showing that Unbelievers have a higher rate of mental and addiction problems than the norm,will suddenly and conveniently remind Atheists that they used to have a drinking problem when they were believers ,or, as in the case of The Witch,he/she now confesses to have had Emotional problems before he converted to Atheism,,, Whoda thunk it
Another idiotic line used by the feebleminded"I became an Ahteist after I read the Bible"
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"I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems."
Well, you just have not looked. There are lots of message boards and websites with the stories of people that have left religion and the benefits it has given them.
Unfortunately those sites are also full of people that have, or would like to come out as atheist and the rejection and pure hate they receive from people that are supposed to love and accept them. Yeah, that causes some emotional distress. But most have decided that the freedom they feel inside is worth it. They do have to work through losing their whole support system and that can be quite a challenge.
Here is one story. There are thousands of others out there:
http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/yourstory/f...
"And what's more, letting go of God helped me psychologically. I've dealt with depression most of my life, and I think a lot of it was due to guilt I felt from my religion. Getting rid of superstition helped me realize that I wasn't a bad person at all and I had nothing to feel guilty about. I could be a good person without God, and that realization was so freeing to me. Now I feel normal, and I couldn't ask for anything better than that."
What a load of crap.

Religion or no religion, guilt is usually a pretty good indicative that something isn't right.

And people that try and torture others via manipulation with it, are SICK (SICK, Sick) in the head.
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It is because of what emanates from an atheists mind and what comes out of their mouth that they have a need for toilet paper
As wel as Jails and people in white coats with straight jackets!!
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<quoted text>Then why did you bother posting about it? Of course it is not realistic, and that was my entire point. So when religious believers claim heaven is a Utopia, I point out it is not realistic.
I wouldn't go that far...simply because realistically, anyone TRULY honest and decent, would have to say they "do NOT know".

ANYthing else would just be a Big, Old, LIE. LIE-LIE-LIE.

And as far as the darkrer side of that LIE would go (because the ligher side is harmelss)...
I cannot ever imagine LYING to a little child, or anyone who might think differently-- just for the reason earthly clinicalness.

EVER. As that would just be CRUELITY.

And that type of cruel rhetoric takes a low down dirt bag scum and/or a cold hearted psychopath.
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<quoted text>The bible claims on the day Jesus was executed, the dead rose from the graves all over Jerusalem. Funny, not a word of this event was ever recorded in that day or even decade. It was not claimed in Mark. It was claimed several decades latter. Clearly not very many people believed the claim until centuries latter after Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire.
I would expect if Jesus came back from the dead and proved the doubters wrong, their would be a huge movement to embrace his claims immediately. But the slow growth of Christianity shows the story is more likely pure myth.
Christianity ITSELF however is hardly anything "fictitious".
Sometimes right IS just right and WRONG IS just wrong.
Why deny it (and try to lie, twist and distort such, just to demean it, when ir's as real as any other organized group(s) found throughout history? Just because the tenets of it might not be to your suitabibilty?
Too bad for people like that huh?
In any case-Wonder if nations will ever allow archeological excavations under the Temple Mount?
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This article will stress two primary themes. The first is the basic continuity of the evolutionary trend. This begins with the Israelitic and Greek cultural backgrounds of Christianity, each of which laid certain decisive foundations of the movement. It then continues through the establishment and survival of the early church, the establishment of the Western church and its differentiation from the Eastern, the very gradual institutionalization of the Christian society of the High Middle Ages, the transition into the Renaissance, and then the Reformation and the developments that led to modern society. I will place special emphasis on the Protestant branch in what follows, because I believe the major turning point in the development of modern society was not, as has so often been held, the industrial revolution of the late eighteenth century but rather the developments of the seventeenth century, which centered in Holland and England and, in a special way, in France, which, although profoundly involved in the Reformation, ended up as a Catholic power.

The second primary theme is the analytical complexity of the explanation of what has occurred and what may be projected. This article does not assert that Christianity as a religious movement “produced” modern society; rather it holds that Christianity contributed a crucial complex of factors, which, because of its own internal trends of “transformative” development and because of the great diversity of nonreligious conditions at various stages of the process and in various areas, operated very differently at different points in the developmental process.

Incorporating and synthesizing elements from both of its two main cultural forebears, the Israelitic and the Greek, and developing a new religious pattern of its own, the Christian movement crystallized a new pattern of values not only for the salvation of human souls but also for the nature of the societies in which men should live on earth. This pattern, the conception of a “kingdom” or, in Augustine’s term, a “city” of men living according to the divine mandate on earth, became increasingly institutionalized through a long series of stages, which this article will attempt to sketch. Later it became the appropriate framework of societal values for the modern type of society...

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"Christianity." International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences. 1968. Encyclopedia.com . 29 Jul. 2013 < http://www.encyclopedia.com >.

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