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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 163321 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109331 Jul 31, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>First, how can you speak for all of what that feeling, feels like?
Second, I have felt this emotion towards what I believed. I was once very religious. The feeling I had did affect my body and mind. But does this feeling mean a god is real or does it just mean my belief was real? I think the latter is so. The mind is a powerful thing and belief can power ones thoughts and feelings.
If I could convince myself that a tree was a higher power, the thought of said tree could evoke emotions that are of that in which we are speaking.
The fact you cannot understand this is how the brain works only makes me believe all the more that you guys are in an ignorant delusion.
To answer your question of who I am, I say a person who understands the brain due to study.
There might be a less demeaning way to present this concept, but I doubt you would be any less offended no matter how it was presented.
I had that feeling before also, but I blamed the schrooms....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109332 Jul 31, 2013
SisterNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
You almost did okay-till you got to your last line, "child"(ish)...then you blew it. Perhaps that's why you're sad?
How about just sticking with stating you have issue with those who (in your opinion) want the topic of evolution removed from schools, as well as certain discriminatory practices.
I understand, it might burst YOUR little delusion of more enlightened than thou-but in MY world, there's LOTS of enlightened people. I just choose to appreciate them, rather than denigrate them.
Now having said that, I believe I might have a problem with Science NOT being taught in schools as well, ESPECIALLY if "EVILution" was being wormed in in place of it. Oh absolutely then..please DO return the actual ethical academics of SCIENCE to classrooms everywhere, and boot the "evilution" to the curb for garbage pick up, where it belongs!!!
Peoples personal preferences in such matters, in my opinion, should be kept at just that; Personal preferences, no matter what they are, respected as such, so long as they are not harming others.
THAT is what makes up the differences in decent and civilized societies, versus depraved and animalisTic, no matter the preferences.
So you are also against evolution in schools? Then my last sentence was not out of place after all.
No wonder you see religion as harmless, as you are one of those trying to harm education. Harming education is harming others in my opinion.

I argue with the root of problems, and in this case it is religion. Don't like it? To bad, I don't like your guys fight against evolution teaching in schools. I don't like your fight against homosexual equality. I don't like a whole lot of things you guys do in the name of your faith.
You see, you and I have a different view of what is civilized. I see civilized as allowing for more equality, not less. I see civilized as teaching what science finds. Evolution is what science has found.
I see treating homosexuals as evil is animalistic.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109333 Jul 31, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I had that feeling before also, but I blamed the schrooms....
Well many societies use such substances to help get in touch with god, and that feeling associated with it. Some chant to help bring it on, some dance in rhythms. Whatever it takes to get in trance.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109334 Jul 31, 2013
SisterNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
I PERSONALLY think the Bible speaks of believing in something BETTER, than condemnation and damnation of others.
WAY better than that dark age, witch hunting level garbage. I wouldn't want to have to be anywhere near anything like that either...finding it to be rather toxic and poisonous.
In the eyes of the reader eh?:-)
Yes, I agree it is usually in the eye of the reader and not a single thing to do with a holy ghost. Thanks for making my point.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109335 Jul 31, 2013
SisterNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
Just goes to show anyone, how ignorant it REALLY is to judge anyone based on some damn dumb label lol.
And just who is judging upon a label? I see a lot of Christians here doing just that.
In fact the whole point of the list posted was to defend atheism, not indict religion. In case you have been missing the latest round of arguments, Curious has been on a mission to indict atheism as bad.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#109336 Jul 31, 2013
SisterNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think they aligned the stats in accordance to known population percentages, NOT in prison? I did NOT see that, therefore, I would say that's only HALF of a truly complete, semi accurate, statistical report.
(you know...kind of like that same theory of looking at something with in just a few hundred square miles versus a few million square miles, when comparing probabilities....)
You gets an incomplete on that one lol.
You mean like citing a study on a bunch of old people with medical problems? I agree.
I have found no stats that show believers are criminals or bad people any more so than atheists or vice versa. That is the point.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109337 Jul 31, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Well many societies use such substances to help get in touch with god, and that feeling associated with it. Some chant to help bring it on, some dance in rhythms. Whatever it takes to get in trance.
Yup... But I knew it was the schrooms afterward... and during...
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#109341 Jul 31, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup... But I knew it was the schrooms afterward... and during...
Naaah,Those are the symptoms experienced by an Atheist when they consume the contents of their stills...
Yiagio can tell you about that.
He has confessed to ingesting bad liquor while watching movies with his friends.
And yes,,,,Birds evolved from dinosaurs;
It's fashionable today to claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs, although again, there is little agreement on which dinosaur lineage was ancestral to birds. The claim persists in spite of the fact that birds and dinosaurs differ markedly. Legs must become wings and scales must become feathers. Dinosaurs had solid bones, yet bird bones are hollow. Reptilian dinosaurs were likely cold blooded while birds are warm blooded with an extremely high metabolism. Dinosaurs had lungs similar to mammals, while the bird's breathing scheme is totally different. At least dinosaur eggs were similar to birds eggs
Any birdbrain can attest to that inane opinion
Necessity is the mother of invention and there are those who need to invent the unbelievable in order to justify the ludicrous

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109345 Jul 31, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Naaah,Those are the symptoms experienced by an Atheist when they consume the contents of their stills...
Yiagio can tell you about that.
He has confessed to ingesting bad liquor while watching movies with his friends.
And yes,,,,Birds evolved from dinosaurs;
It's fashionable today to claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs, although again, there is little agreement on which dinosaur lineage was ancestral to birds. The claim persists in spite of the fact that birds and dinosaurs differ markedly. Legs must become wings and scales must become feathers. Dinosaurs had solid bones, yet bird bones are hollow. Reptilian dinosaurs were likely cold blooded while birds are warm blooded with an extremely high metabolism. Dinosaurs had lungs similar to mammals, while the bird's breathing scheme is totally different. At least dinosaur eggs were similar to birds eggs
Any birdbrain can attest to that inane opinion
Necessity is the mother of invention and there are those who need to invent the unbelievable in order to justify the ludicrous
The Raptor class of Dino's had Hollow Bones, Wish Bones and feathers.... Back to school, you could use some....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109346 Jul 31, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Naaah,Those are the symptoms experienced by an Atheist when they consume the contents of their stills...
Yiagio can tell you about that.
He has confessed to ingesting bad liquor while watching movies with his friends.
And yes,,,,Birds evolved from dinosaurs;
It's fashionable today to claim that birds evolved from dinosaurs, although again, there is little agreement on which dinosaur lineage was ancestral to birds. The claim persists in spite of the fact that birds and dinosaurs differ markedly. Legs must become wings and scales must become feathers. Dinosaurs had solid bones, yet bird bones are hollow. Reptilian dinosaurs were likely cold blooded while birds are warm blooded with an extremely high metabolism. Dinosaurs had lungs similar to mammals, while the bird's breathing scheme is totally different. At least dinosaur eggs were similar to birds eggs
Any birdbrain can attest to that inane opinion
Necessity is the mother of invention and there are those who need to invent the unbelievable in order to justify the ludicrous
I think I will go into this deeper, Not for you because you haven't shown the intellectual honesty to actually consider it... Dinosaurs cover a vast number of species and subsets over a period of almost 150 million years.... Among those groups many variations on the theme occured from animals that could fit in the palm of your hand to animals larger than 10 elephants... Some on four legs and some on two... the ones on two legs separated into many variations.. from short tiny arms to long arms with massive claws... of those there is a couple of point they all had... Wish Bones and 3 forward toe's on the feet... None of this species had scales... All had hollow or open celled bone structures... the later fossils we have found in the last 20 million years before the impact event show feathers with a couple small versions completely covered with feathers and Wings... even though they seem to small an area to provide flight they were large enough to provide glide...

So no a Brontosaurus or Triceratops did not evolve into birds but a few from the Raptor line did...
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109347 Jul 31, 2013
why not wrote:
Why not let them study whatever they want
Because...
They may see the Light, and
Darkness Hates the Light!
Proven every day on the thread!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109349 Jul 31, 2013
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>
the bible proves nothing ... it is the faith that one has .. you believe , then in your mind so be it
Faith is great...
You got to have Faith, my faith (That God was real) was turned
into Knowing God is Real when He saved me, and the
study of His Word... I have Faith, that What He Says...
He WILL do it!
He Told Moses that we'd KNOW He is God, by what He was going to do!
He DID it, so even the Atheist would know, and guess what?
They will deny it... Go figure!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109350 Jul 31, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree it is not a Lie to you for it to be a Lie you would actually have to think there was no god and then say there was.... The Word is Delusional... You have been Deluded into Absolutely Believing in magic therefore you are not Lying... No more than the poor soul that is not lying when he truly Believes Elves and says they are real... No more than the Greeks that Truly Believed in the gods on Olympus when they said their assorted gods were real.... No more than the Billions of long dead ancient peoples around the world the Truly Believed in their 1000's of assorted gods when they stated categorically, They Are Real....
Magic???
You mean like the Magic of and explosion creating order???
How many houses have you seen built WITH Dynamite?(0)

You mean the Magic of Information in DNA to construct the
irreducible complexities of bacterial flagellum?

You mean the Magic of Life coming from Non-Life?

Or...
Do you mean the Magic of a Demonic force causing Millions
of people believing Lucy was your ancestor???

There are MORE lies in your Books, than mine!

Besides... If I was delusional... Don't wake me up,
because My end has a Hope... yours never had!

Still Praying for ya!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109351 Jul 31, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
YaA, the clam fossils aren't on Mt. Everest, they're in it. If there is anything that proves the Bible to be more trustworthy than man, it has to be the Christians - and that sure ain't saying much in its defense.
In/on... does it matter? NO!
The waters covered the earth... Fossils were created when
sludge covered the dead!
Christians are Trustworthy...
Trying to stop you guys from KILLING Babies is just one thing!

56,000,000 Babies to date... 1,000's a month die
because your god is sex!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#109352 Jul 31, 2013
SisterNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
That's according to who you would be speaking with about it as well.
(customarily and traditionally--like St Nick- IS a CATHOLIC religious thing...while trees are maybe more pagan, representing the more "spring like" weather of warmer months....and in some countries, many "believed that evergreens would keep away witches, ghosts, evil spirits, and illness.")
Christmas is both a sacred religious holiday and a worldwide cultural and commercial phenomenon. For two millennia, people around the world have been observing it with traditions and practices that are both religious and secular in nature.
Christians celebrate Christmas Day as the anniversary of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, a spiritual leader whose teachings form the basis of their religion.
Popular customs include exchanging gifts, decorating Christmas trees, attending church, sharing meals with family and friends and, of course, waiting for Santa Claus to arrive. December 25–Christmas Day–has been a federal holiday in the United States since 1870.
So ummm...atheist are GUILTY of a little "cherry picking" themselves?
(yeah, kinda looks that way lol)
Sure. I'm being hyperbolic, to some degree. Of course some people include religious elements in their Christmas celebrations. But I don't, and virtually all of the commercial Christmas stuff leaves it out.

My point is that the holiday is owned by everyone in Western culture. It is not limited to Christians and doesn't have anything to do with Christ for all practical purposes.

That's how these things evolve. We still call Thursday by a name that honors a god nobody believes in anymore.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109353 Jul 31, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I posted about how I stopped drinking(if you wish to call that a drinking problem) when someone claimed (I think YAA)only religion can help alcoholism.
I see you refuted none of my points and simply posted part of one of the studies you posted.
An atheist very well might not see suicide as immoral in certain situations. And if you posted the source of the study, I could show where the study was done on the elderly and thus likely had a situation that would fit the moral dilemma.
But you refuse to have an honest debate so you can stay in denial.
I note the study showed several reasons the atheist subjects might have chose suicide. Care to debate those reasons?
Strangely the study was so careless in not having subjects that had the same situations, such as being married or with children. That is a lack of controls. Of course someone with a spouse or children would have more motive to not commit suicide, so why on earth would the study not use subjects with the same circumstances is beyond me.
The study said the atheists had fewer family members visiting.
So just what are the reasons for this? One could be that the religious family did not approve of the atheist in the family. Who knows, but either way it is but one more lack of controls in the study. Of course and elderly person with health problems in some sort of old folks home that is not being visited by anyone is going to have a higher chance of suicide. Does it take a study to deduce this?
"only religion can help alcoholism"
I claimed NO such thing!
If you cannot tell the truth... just don't speak!

It is a KNOW fact that Religious based programs are FAR more effective than secular programs!
Check it out before you post... IF you want to be Truthful!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#109354 Jul 31, 2013
SisterNoneYaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
"In the beginning there was light"....
The one sentence, that both Science And the Bible, seem to agree upon.
(See the BB theory and Genesis 1:3)
PHYSICS.
According to Genesis, god doesn't really create the things that make light until after he makes light. And of course the order is different depending on if you're going with creation myth 1 or creation myth 2, both of which are in Genesis.

The Bible is no more scientifically accurate than a first grader's drawings of giant robots fighting sharks.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#109355 Jul 31, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I will go into this deeper, Not for you because you haven't shown the intellectual honesty to actually consider it... So no a Brontosaurus or Triceratops did not evolve into birds but a few from the Raptor line did...
Science says you are wrong;
Bird-From-Dinosaur Theory of Evolution Challenged::
Feb. 10, 2010 — A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution of fli
A new analysis was done of an unusual fossil specimen discovered in 2003 called "microraptor," in which three-dimensional models were used to study its possible flight potential, and it concluded this small, feathered species must have been a "glider" that came down from trees. The research is well done and consistent with a string of studies in recent years that pose increasing challenge to the birds-from-dinosaurs theory, said John Ruben, a professor of zoology at Oregon State University who authored a commentary in PNAS on the new research.
The weight of the evidence is now suggesting that not only did birds not descend from dinosaurs, Ruben said, but that some species now believed to be dinosaurs may have descended from birds.
Almost 20 years of research at OSU on the morphology of birds and dinosaurs, along with other studies and the newest PNAS research, Ruben said, are actually much more consistent with a different premise -- that birds may have had an ancient common ancestor with dinosaurs, but they evolved separately on their own path, and after millions of years of separate evolution birds also gave rise to the raptors. Small animals such as velociraptor that have generally been thought to be dinosaurs are more likely flightless birds, he said.
"Raptors look quite a bit like dinosaurs but they have much more in common with birds than they do with other theropod dinosaurs such as Tyrannosaurus," Ruben said. "We think the evidence is finally showing that these animals which are usually considered dinosaurs were actually descended from birds, not the other way around."
Another study last year from Florida State University raised similar doubts, Ruben said.
In the newest PNAS study, scientists examined a remarkable fossil specimen that had feathers on all four limbs, somewhat resembling a bi-plane. Glide tests based on its structure concluded it would not have been practical for it to have flown from the ground up, but it could have glided from the trees down, somewhat like a modern-day flying squirrel. Many researchers have long believed that gliders such as this were the ancestors of modern birds.
"This model was not consistent with successful flight from the ground up, and that makes it pretty difficult to make a case for a ground-dwelling theropod dinosaur to have developed wings and flown away," Ruben said. "On the other hand, it would have been quite possible for birds to have evolved and then, at some point, have various species lose their flight capabilities and become ground-dwelling, flightless animals -- the raptors. This may be hugely upsetting to a lot of people, but it makes perfect sense."
In their own research, including one study just last year in the Journal of Morphology, OSU scientists found that the position of the thigh bone and muscles in birds is critical to their ability to have adequate lung capacity for sustained long-distance flight, a fundamental aspect of bird biology.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109356 Jul 31, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So where in the bible does it say when the flood occurred?
Sea fossils on top of Mt. Everest does show it was once under water, but that alone does not show when it was under water. Are their any human fossils to be found on Mt. Everest to show evidence of a flood in mans time on earth? Nope. So what is your excuse for this? Their are a lot of sea animals and no land animals. Just what one would expect if the science of the day was correct, but not what one would expect if the flood story was true. If the flood story was true, one would expect to find many land animal fossils on Mt Everest.
Let's use your Logic when we ask about transitional fossils... shall we?
(Just because you haven't found any... doesn't mean there aren't any!)
I would say... Everest was under water, and only grew after the waters subsided, all the smaller critters drowned quickly, and mankind fought hard to survive, climbing trees, hills, grabbed boats, and logs, and maybe floated for days!
We've found ruins, with dead peoples bones scattered all over, and artifacts found in coal layers dated by shady means to say they're older than they are!
Genesis 6 is the story of Noah... read it!
We are far worse today... we all deserve punishment!
Thank God for Jesus!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109357 Jul 31, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So again your diversion from the question is pointing out I am not an expert on the bible?
None of this changes the fact that King David was about as moral as Saddam Hussein. If this is the sort of men you hold dear, I have no respect for your beliefs. It only makes the story look like the stereo-typical worship of theocratic dictators. Barbaric dictators. Best friend or not, having someone sent to the front lines in order to take his wife is immoral. Funny how the lineage of this wife stealing is the same line Jesus is to be from.
So if this is all meant to be, the wife stealing was meant to be.
Need I pile on about how the first child was killed as some sort of punishment? Talk about an immoral god, this tops the list. You worship an immoral murderer of children.
Well...
at least you believe Jesus was real...
Remember that Name, as it Is the Only Name
by which one can be saved!

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