Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 137828 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108971 Jul 27, 2013
SistaNoneyoBiz wrote:
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Peas-and the astronaut reference was initially referencing life "beyond" planet Earth--the REST of the then quoted quote- really was just actual "irony" lol.
So none of your post had anything to do with the post you responded to? I do not dispute life beyond planet earth. I dispute the idea god must have created earth.
Irony to what?
All I see is continued diversion. Diversion is a sign of denial.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108972 Jul 27, 2013
The religie Syndrome: A Psychopathology of belief

The fool hath thought in its mind,"There is a god.’”
So wrote Alice in diagnosing the problem of belief in an invisible sky critter.

But is foolishness the only problem? Might it not be compounded by something else, something over which the christian has no control? Well jesus christ thinks so. And it tries, in The religie Syndrome, to establish its case.

In, jesus's(pronounced *hey seus* as in dr.) thesis it asserts that all christians in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries have all suffered from a form of mental illness that it dubs “the religie syndrome".

Applying Freudian psychoanalysis to christian leaders like benny hinn, john hagee, pat robertson, and david duke himself, jesus concludes that their domineering and abusive religie ways transformed itself into hatred of Atheism and the freedom from delusions represented by them. That hatred led to an irrational rejection of logic and truth and an embracing of delusion — whether godbotism, occultism, or visions of sky critters.

In conclusion the "study" shows that religies are now and always will be free roaming mental ward patients.

curious

Ocoee, FL

#108973 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>"Studies"? So you have more than one study to cite? Do you know what a plural is?
I love how you cling to a single study and claim it as absolute truth, yet you dismiss the many thousands and thousands of studies on evolution.
University of Toronto psychologists reported last year that “believing in God can help block anxiety and minimize stress,” their research showcasing “distinct brain differences” between believers and nonbelievers.
A new study released Wednesday by Rush University Medical Center in Chicago took the idea a step further.
In patients diagnosed with clinical depression,“belief in a concerned God can improve response to medical treatment,” said the new research, which has been published in the Journal of Clinical Psychology.
The operative term here is “caring,” the researchers said.“The study found that those with strong beliefs in a personal and concerned God were more likely to experience an improvement.”
The researchers compared the levels of melancholy or hopelessness in 136 adults diagnosed with major depression or bipolar depression with their sense of “religious well-being.” They found participants who scored in the top third of a scale charting a sense of religious well-being were 75 percent more likely to get better with medical treatment for clinical depression.
“In our study, the positive response to medication had little to do with the feeling of hope that typically accompanies spiritual belief,” said study director Patricia Murphy, a chaplain at Rush and an assistant professor of religion, health and human values.
“It was tied specifically to the belief that a Supreme Being cared,” she said.
“For people diagnosed with clinical depression, medication certainly plays an important role in reducing symptoms,” Ms. Murphy added.“But when treating persons diagnosed with depression, clinicians need to be aware of the role of religion in their patients’ lives. It is an important resource in planning their care.”
The Canadian researchers who found that belief in God lowers anxiety and stress also based their conclusions on measurements — monitoring the brain activities of believers and nonbelievers charged with some challenging tasks.
“We found that religious people or even people who simply believe in the existence of God show significantly less brain activity in relation to their own errors,” said Michael Inzlicht, assistant psychology professor at the University of Toronto, who led the research.
“They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error,” he said.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/...
"According to researchers from Harvard Medical School, belief in god is correlated with improved outcomes of treatment for depression. Quoting:'In the study, published in the current issue of Journal of Affective Disorders, researchers comment that people with a moderate to high level of belief in a higher power do significantly better in short-term psychiatric treatment than those without. "Belief was associated with not only improved psychological well-being, but decreases in depression and intention to self-harm," says David H. Rosmarin, Ph.D., an instructor in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.' This raises interesting questions. Does this support the concept of depressive realism? If the association is found to be causal, would it be ethical for a psychiatrist to prescribe religion?"
Apparently Scientific Studies show that athiest are far more suicidal and are more likely to lack self confindence, amongst many other mental and character disorders...
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http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/a...

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108974 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Most agree he was Christian and that he did not want to use the word God. So he used the word providence. Have you ever seen how much credit he gives to providence?
"Most of us"? Who the hell is "us", Christians? Many if not most historian scholars say George seems to have been deist.
What I think most about Washington and his religious beliefs is, he did not want religion dictating government. He wanted a separation of church and state.

Most people think the cherry tree cutting was a true story, does it make it true?
Either way, their are varying views of what Washington believed as far as religion. It is really hard to know what any one person really thinks on a subject unless he records his views in depth. Even then it often gets twisted in the interpretations.
Jesus recorded none of his views. All of his views were opined by third parties and more.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108975 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
University of Toronto psychologists reported last year that “believing in God can help block anxiety and minimize stress,” their research showcasing “distinct brain differences” between believers and nonbelievers.
A new study released Wednesday by Rush University Medical Center in Chicago took the idea a step further.
In patients diagnosed with clinical depression,“belief in a concerned God can improve response to medical treatment,” said the new research, which has been published in the Journal of Clinical Psychology.
The operative term here is “caring,” the researchers said.“The study found that those with strong beliefs in a personal and concerned God were more likely to experience an improvement.”
The researchers compared the levels of melancholy or hopelessness in 136 adults diagnosed with major depression or bipolar depression with their sense of “religious well-being.” They found participants who scored in the top third of a scale charting a sense of religious well-being were 75 percent more likely to get better with medical treatment for clinical depression.
“In our study, the positive response to medication had little to do with the feeling of hope that typically accompanies spiritual belief,” said study director Patricia Murphy, a chaplain at Rush and an assistant professor of religion, health and human values.
“It was tied specifically to the belief that a Supreme Being cared,” she said.
“For people diagnosed with clinical depression, medication certainly plays an important role in reducing symptoms,” Ms. Murphy added.“But when treating persons diagnosed with depression, clinicians need to be aware of the role of religion in their patients’ lives. It is an important resource in planning their care.”
The Canadian researchers who found that belief in God lowers anxiety and stress also based their conclusions on measurements — monitoring the brain activities of believers and nonbelievers charged with some challenging tasks.
“We found that religious people or even people who simply believe in the existence of God show significantly less brain activity in relation to their own errors,” said Michael Inzlicht, assistant psychology professor at the University of Toronto, who led the research.
“They’re much less anxious and feel less stressed when they have made an error,” he said.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/...
"According to researchers from Harvard Medical School, belief in god is correlated with improved outcomes of treatment for depression. Quoting:'In the study, published in the current issue of Journal of Affective Disorders, researchers comment that people with a moderate to high level of belief in a higher power do significantly better in short-term psychiatric treatment than those without. "Belief was associated with not only improved psychological well-being, but decreases in depression and intention to self-harm,"
EDITED FOR SPACE!!!
Interesting. So a study lead by a Chaplin is what you cite?

I note the study showed less brain activity by believers when they had errors. So I conclude the believers fail to use their conscience as much as unbelievers.
Yes, doing wrong and feeling guilty about it does cause non believers stress. And I say this is a great thing. This burden of guilt is the natural mechanism that helps us to remember to do the right thing.
Are you of the mind that the guilty should go unpunished? Guilt and stress is punishment of sorts.
No wonder the religious repeat errors so often. They artificially blocked nature with religious ignorant bliss.

Putting more effort into not repeating errors should be the lesson here. So sad the Chaplin missed that lesson.
Being a good person is the key to mental well-being. So sad the Chaplin missed that lesson.

Atheists and believers alike need to head this lesson.
Being atheist is no cure all. Understanding why our brain does what it does, helps.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108976 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Most agree he was Christian and that he did not want to use the word God. So he used the word providence. Have you ever seen how much credit he gives to providence?
Providence can be of nature or of a god. Depends on that which you believe intervenes. Seems you assume Washington was speaking of a god. Others will think he was speaking of nature.
But again, I did not ask you what your opinion of his religion was. I only used Washington as an example of the differing opinions of his beliefs.
Now can you focus on the actual debate and stop diverting?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108977 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Reading it doesn't mean you understood what you read. People can spend their lives reading and studying it and not understand everything. It is quite incredible how understanding increases when studying it with the Holy Ghost as your companion. Jesus taught in hidden meanings so that only those who were ready to receive the information understand it because once you learn it, you are held accountable for that knowledge.
It is incredible how understanding increases when someone is not blinded by faith.
I get you think you can magically understand hidden meanings in the bible. Do you think for a second I or any atheist thinks this is rational?

I know their are many devout believers who study the bible like it is their job, but yet they still have different beliefs of what it means. So I conclude this holy ghost concept is not reliable at all.
If this holy ghost concept was real, I could see no reason for the protestant and Catholic differences.
Now can you explain why they would differ?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108978 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I have never said the Bible is inerrant.
This is why the Holy Ghost is important. It is also why there are so many interpretations of the same passages.
Sorry, but the contradictions of your statement is jarring me.
If the holy ghost is so important, then why are their so many interpretations of the same passages? Is the ghost not doing his job?
I thought you believed the holy ghost helped those who wrote the bible. If so, could the ghost not get the story correct?
You seem to want your cake and eat it also.
If the ghost could not make the story inerrant, then why would I think he could straighten out its meanings?
And really, do you expect us to believe in ghosts doing these magical things in our brains? Do you know how irrational that sounds?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108979 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
See it as you wish. You have not shown me anything impressive with your knowledge of deep doctrine of Christianity. Therefore I don't think you are qualified to tell a Christian what they believe. If me pointing out ignorance on your part looks like arrogance on my part, that just means I must have hit a nerve.
So what you see as your arrogance is just you hitting a nerve. Now what is the arrogance you charge against us due to?
You just cannot stop having double standards, can you.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108980 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, dude, seriously? You are going to tell me that you can't see all the prophecies that foretell Christ? Even though His name is not mentioned?
Jesus is the only person that ever lived that has had any claim to fulfilling the prophecies that only the Son of God could perform, because He was not simply a man. Jesus had to fulfill all prophecies mentioned in the OT. The only reason Jews didn't believe Him is because they misunderstood that His kingdom was not on this earth like they thought.
Please just google the prophesies that foretell the coming of Jesus. This is so easy to look up.
Jews can't interpret their own writings due to the holy ghost not doing his job. Or maybe the ghost is but a myth. Or maybe the ghost is not helping you interpret the writings correctly.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

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#108981 Jul 27, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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I don't see "Creationists" trying to remove Science books from schools...I see people hatefully ragging on, and degrading others for having beliefs that might differ from their own.
Which makes no sense either, because that kind of stuff is just as ignorant and harmful, as extremist anything else.
Yes and Amen "That is... Keep "YOUR" religion of Evilution out of our schools, as it is a total lie!
We can adapt to certain circumstances, but Man in the Beginning was still Man at the end...
We did not come from Pond scum!"

Yes and Amen is the sort of creationist I am speaking of.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108982 Jul 27, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>That is... Keep "YOUR" religion of Evilution out of our schools, as it is a total lie!
We can adapt to certain circumstances, but Man in the Beginning was still Man at the end...
We did not come from Pond scum!
"
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see "Creationists" trying to remove Science books from schools...I see people hatefully ragging on, and degrading others for having beliefs that might differ from their own.
Which makes no sense either, because that kind of stuff is just as ignorant and harmful, as extremist anything else."

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108983 Jul 27, 2013
SistaNoneyoBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
The point was, people are NOT meant to be roboTic--or viewed as all the same. Nor is it rational to even begin to think, that just because one might belong to a certain "sector" (in this case-Science-such as NASA astronauts)is it wise to merely "assume" that they all hold the same perspectives, when it comes to BELIEFS (or lack thereof).
What you believe or don't believe in is your business (so long as it is NOT harming anyone in any shape fashion or form), just as mine are mine...(with no intents on harming others in any shape fashion or form) Just don't expect me to believe exactly as you believe, don't, because everyone believing the same thing (or not) is NOT reality either.
Obviously!
(I believe they call it in the sane world of rational, decent adults, agreeing to disagree, or STAYING AWAY from that which we might disagree with--- rather than beating, demeaning, picking juvenile fights or any of that type kindergarten ignorant sandbox level stuff)
Have a nice day :-).
Do assume I expect all to believe as I?
Seems to me the Christians here are doing this, and the ten commandments demand this.
I do not care if your intents is to harm me or not, if it harms me or society, I will voice my concerns about it whether it offends you or not.
I have shown repeatedly what I feel religion is doing that is not good for society. You continue to ignore this point as if religion is harmless. Again, did you forget about 9/11 already? Religion is not harmless. Perpetuating blind faith is not harmless. Maybe you think it is,so what? I do not, and you are not the boss of what I say. Do you hate freedom of speech? Am I not free to speak my mind? Am I to be passive to what I see as bad for society?

How can you not see the hypocrisy in your statement? If you really acted upon your beliefs claimed here, why are you beating, demeaning, picking juvenile fights or any of that type kindergarten ignorant sandbox level stuff?
Is what I voice causing harm?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108984 Jul 27, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Oh Yes!
I was watching a show about how our Periodic table came about..
The guy had huge desk that had the table on it, and in
the squares were lids, that held a sample of the material...
Awesome... Until he HAD to inject Evilutional theory into it!
When it came to "O"! He just had to say "O" wasn't here in the beginning to align the narrative of how Evilutionists believe Life began on earth... NOTHING, but Pure CONJECTURE!
Much like the rest of Their Theory... "Pure CONJECTURE"!
Irreducible complexity sends stares them in the face, and
they close their eyes tightly... They cannot stand the Light!
So you believe none of this has evidence and is pure conjecture? So you wish for the science books that say this to be taken out of schools?
And you wish for the bible which is devoid of evidence to be put in its place?

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#108985 Jul 27, 2013
treebeard wrote:
<quoted text>You're asking someone to get awfully specific with a really vague book...He gets one sequence of events wrong and you want him to suffer through that text again. It's all about the pain and suffering, eh?
The sequence of events is the least of what he gets wrong. He does not understand the meanings of Jesus' teachings, or the importance of His actions and their relationship to the Old Testament, but tries to point out how wrong they are, and how Jesus was just a delusional man. That's much worse than getting Mark wrong, but it is very related.

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#108986 Jul 27, 2013
treebeard wrote:
<quoted text>You're asking someone to get awfully specific with a really vague book...He gets one sequence of events wrong and you want him to suffer through that text again. It's all about the pain and suffering, eh?
And I'm not asking him to be specific, he decided to do that himself, but he was incorrect in everything he said.
If you don't know, you shouldn't talk about it as if you do. Especially if you are trying to use that info to discount its validity.

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#108987 Jul 27, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I've read all about the prophecies that allegedly foretell Jesus. They are far from compelling. Basically some old people said some vague stuff and modern readers map their own desires and needs onto them.

Exactly like I did with Michael Jackson, but with a lot more time and energy put into the process.

Look up modern vs. ancient interpretation and you'll get a sense of what I'm trying to say. Look up the ridiculous mental acrobatics that apologists have to do in order to make sense of the Abraham and Isaac story, for example. Or the way in which apologists will interpret the scriptures to make genocides seem both necessary and moral.

Then tell me that prophecies of Jesus are still compelling.

I mean seriously, was it too hard for your god to whisper the name of Jesus into somebody's ear?
Real quick search finds this:

http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefactsan...

http://theresurgence.com/2012/12/24/10-prophe...

http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/proph...

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ...

Are you still waiting for another to fulfill all these things?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#108989 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Fools and idiots need correction....
All 4 of the Gospels,which includes Mark, mention the resurrection.
Because your minds have been dulled and you are unable to see, has led you and Viagio to make foolish, unintelligible and totally lacking in credibility, absurd statements.
That you continuously misinterpret what is written in the Bible is quite obvious by your inane postings.
Viagio is living proof that Atheists are afflicted with mental disorders.....Not only him,but the other Atheist poster that accompanies you in sharing 10 monikers.
Your abilities to distort,misquote and misrepresent what is written in the Bible is more than ample proof of your deteriorating mental conditions.
Ignorance is the Key to Atheism
You're a very childish, stupid person. You remind me of a guy I used to "debate" years ago. He pulled some of the same BS. For example, if I said something that was wrong he would *never* stop bringing it up. Even though I would immediately post a correction or accept it when someone else corrected me.

You see, that's what rational people do. They own their mistakes and correct them if possible. When I post something that isn't true or is not well argued I always own up to it.

You, on the other hand, are like the kid in playground who just stands there saying "nanny nanny boo boo" until the teacher swats his ear and makes him cry.

And yet here I am replying to you like some kind of dummy myself.

Oh well, at least your mental issue is entertaining.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#108990 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
No, I'm not waiting for anyone to fulfill those things because....I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MAGIC.

Also, how the hell is it compelling that a book written AFTER another book purports to fulfill things "foretold" in the previous book? Especially when the events being told about are not substantiated by evidence?

It's purely a matter of faith. And I have no use for faith unless it can wipe my butt.

Look at the lists you linked to. There is a term for what you're doing: cherry picking. You find one little verse or one little sentence that *kinda sounds like* something you see in the NT and BAM! You believe it is prophecy.

Damn. If its that easy to fool people I am going to start my own religion.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108992 Jul 27, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm not waiting for anyone to fulfill those things because....I DO NOT BELIEVE IN MAGIC.
Also, how the hell is it compelling that a book written AFTER another book purports to fulfill things "foretold" in the previous book? Especially when the events being told about are not substantiated by evidence?
It's purely a matter of faith. And I have no use for faith unless it can wipe my butt.
Look at the lists you linked to. There is a term for what you're doing: cherry picking. You find one little verse or one little sentence that *kinda sounds like* something you see in the NT and BAM! You believe it is prophecy.
Damn. If its that easy to fool people I am going to start my own religion.
"If its that easy to fool people I am going to start my own religion."

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