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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 168958 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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How stupid can you be

Georgetown, KY

#109021 Jul 28, 2013
Glad to be foreign wrote:
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Your theory on "christians" recovering more quickly from illness, or have a less stressful outlook on thinks in general is because they live in a state of fictional bliss and don't have a grasp of or refuse to accept life's realities. Another decscription is that Americans believe in this religion garbage because they are gullible and stupid.
Wrong on that point!
God showed up, and Saved me!
Get to know Him, you'll be glad you did!
Wrong again Sparky

Georgetown, KY

#109022 Jul 28, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
There is no god.
Yes there is!
Get to know Him... You'll be glad you did!
Wrong again Sparky

Georgetown, KY

#109023 Jul 28, 2013
Glad to be foreign wrote:
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The jesus stories.......are all myths or legends created from incidents that were generated by coincidence, then enhanced by embellishment, wishful thinking and believed in by the gullible and stupid.
I used to THINK that...
The He showed up, and saved me!
Good luck with your denial!

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#109024 Jul 28, 2013
Yiago wrote:
Here's a bit from John Loftis, who I admire quite a bit. He studied with the Christian apologist William Laine Craig, then became an atheist and wrote "The Outsider Test for Faith" which I highly recommend all believers to read.
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/200...
There is a book by Daniel Everett called "Don't Sleep. There Are Snakes."

He was a Christian missionary to an Amazonian tribe which he was supposed to convert.
Instead THEY converted HIM.
He is now an atheist.

Fascinating story.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109025 Jul 28, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You actually don't know that life does not require oxygen do you, poor thing....
Did I say... Life need oxygen??? No... I did not!
What I stated is, He injected Evilution into the talk about the elements, and has NO proof Oxygen did NOT exist before life began!
It is ONLY the narrative of Evilution, and the false claims of
Evilutionists defending the fact that amino acids cannot generate in oxygen rich environments!
I say... God created Life out of His Words...
Evilution is only mans words!
Get to know Him... you'll be glad you did!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109026 Jul 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Whether evolution is a lie or not, I still proved your claim as false. God believers do often believe in evolution. It is a fact that is easily provable, so quit making false claims to push your agenda.
In a roundabout way, you admitted I was correct.
Deal with actual facts, then we can have a reasonable debate.
proved NOTHING except you willingness to twist things the way you like!
Yes... there are Christians lead astray by your lies of evolution...
Just as Eve believed a lie!
Get it right!
AsherMan

Mascoutah, IL

#109027 Jul 28, 2013
I think a lot of so called Christians need to make sure they are living by the bible and that everyone in their house does the same before telling everyone else how to live their lives. How many Christians go to church with tattoos, nose piercings, children being conceived before marriage, buying lottery tickets, gambling, spreading gossip, living off welfare, food stamps, low income housing when they are able to work. I do believe there are good Christians who go to church and practice the bible teachings, but in today’s society, I think a lot of people who go to church need to look in the mirror and ask if they are living by the bible. Just remember kids pick up bad habits real quick from adults.
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109028 Jul 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I am well aware many believers of god fall prey to lies. This has been the root of the atheist pleas here. We feel the heart of the bible is but lies. You and I believe the Koran is full of lies.
The difference is, I do not use double standards.
No!
The difference is... You do not know God exists... I do!
Satan has fooled a lot of people, Muslims, and Atheists alike!

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#109029 Jul 28, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I have alluded to this before and presented my evidence.
"Evidence?" LOL!
Ummm, was that the "evidence" that one person posted shortly after another person...or that one person didn't post for a long time because the other one was posting.

Surprisingly even Yaa is willing to admit you are wrong.
(Could be that is the first smart thing I've ever heard him say.)
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#109030 Jul 28, 2013
curious wrote:
By Randal Rauser
(edited for space)The Making of an Atheist responds with the razor sharp edge of a Samurai sword. If the new atheists have specialized in sweeping assertions about the questionable rationality of Christians, Spiegel one-ups them with sweeping assertions about the morality of atheism. If the new atheists have berated Christians as a bit soft in the head, Spiegel returns the favor by leveling a charge of corruption in the soul.
Get it? The picture ain't pretty.
Atheism, says Spiegel, is not really an "intellectual movement". Rather, "It is little more than moral rebellion cloaked in academic regalia. The new atheists are blinded by their own sin." Atheism shirks an "objective assessment of evidence" because of "stubborn disobedience" and "willful rebellion". It is "the suppression of truth by wickedness, the cognitive consequence of immorality. In short, it is sin that is the mother of unbelief."
And that's just in the first few pages of the first chapter!
While Spiegel believes that, biblically speaking, atheist are fools, he stresses that this is not foolishness as mere ignorance. Atheists are not "simply obtuse or feeble-minded". Rather, they are in deep moral rebellion. He explains:
"When smart people go in irrational directions, it is time to look elsewhere than reasoning ability for an explanation. And Scripture gives us clear direction as to where we should look. Consider the psalmist's declaration that `the fool says in his heart,`There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1). The Hebrew term rendered `fool' here denotes a person who is `morally deficient.' And elsewhere in the Old Testament Wisdom Literature we learn of various symptoms of this moral deficiency. The book of Proverbs says `a fool finds no pleasure in understanding'(Proverbs 18:2), that `fools despise wisdom and discipline'(Proverbs 1:7), that `a fool finds pleasure in evil conduct'(Proverbs 10:23) and is `hotheaded and reckless'(Proverbs 14:16)." "It is not intelligence they lack so much as self-control and the right values."
Spiegel provides other scriptures to support his provocative thesis. For instance, he observes of Ephesians 4:17-19: "The root of the problem, apparently, is not a lack of intelligence but rather a hardness of heart that is itself caused by immoral behavior." He cites John 3:19-21, "men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil", and then observes:
"Note also Jesus' point that evildoers do not simply ignore or reject the light but actually `hate' it. If this is so, then we should expect some atheists to display a certain amount of bitterness and even rage toward the idea of God. And, of course, this is just what we find among many atheists, especially the leaders of the new atheism."
But the most important passage for Spiegel's provocative thesis is Romans 1:18-21:
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
After quoting Romans 1 Spiegel concludes:
"In this passage Paul makes clear that the problem with those who don't believe in God is not lack of evidence. On the contrary, God has made His existence and attributes so `plain' and `clearly seen' from creation that belief is inexcusable. He also explains how, in spite of this, some reject the truth, specifically through immoral behavior."
Great posts!
Wrong again Sparky

Georgetown, KY

#109031 Jul 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>David, the rootless dictator who sent his best friend to the front lines of war to die in order to hide the pregnancy he caused to his best friends wife, and then ultimately married her, and had children that are claimed to be the lineage to Jesus?
And we should listen to his advice, why? The man had motive to lie. He had motive to claim to know the mind of god.
I see king David as the moral equivalency of Saddam Hussein.
Now you might put such dictators on a pedestal, but I will not.
Uriah wasn't David's best friend!
I wish you'd stop twisting the Bible, I Thought you said you've read it!
That too must be a lie!
Wrong again Sparky

Georgetown, KY

#109032 Jul 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you believe none of this has evidence and is pure conjecture? So you wish for the science books that say this to be taken out of schools?
And you wish for the bible which is devoid of evidence to be put in its place?
Did I say "The Bible had to be put in schools?"
No, they will be in there anyway!
But I do say take the lies out of school, and
that is exactly what Evilution is!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#109033 Jul 28, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Fossils all over the World Proves the Flood happened!
The mountains were NOT that high, nor the seas that deep
before the flood!
Yet it doesn't comply with your narrative, so you ignore it!
Go figure!
God is real... He saved me!
YaA, the distribution and range of fossils doesn't support a flood myth, it helps debunk it. A massive seismic upheaval capable of raising mountain ranges and sinking the ocean floor by tens of thousands of feet over a year (or a couple thousand years) doesn't even fit YOUR narrative.

As I said, delusional psychotic.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#109037 Jul 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The bible claims on the day Jesus was executed, the dead rose from the graves all over Jerusalem. Funny, not a word of this event was ever recorded in that day or even decade. It was not claimed in Mark. It was claimed several decades latter. Clearly not very many people believed the claim until centuries latter after Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire.

I would expect if Jesus came back from the dead and proved the doubters wrong, their would be a huge movement to embrace his claims immediately. But the slow growth of Christianity shows the story is more likely pure myth.
This was talking about resurrection, not zombies walking the earth.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#109038 Jul 28, 2013
Glad to be foreign wrote:
<quoted text>The jesus stories.......are all myths or legends created from incidents that were generated by coincidence, then enhanced by embellishment, wishful thinking and believed in by the gullible and stupid.
You are free to have that opinion. And I am really not offended that you call me gullible and stupid. Anyone that hasn't experienced the things that I have, I expect to be ignorant on the subject and doubt those that have.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109041 Jul 28, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps. But I'll ere on the side of the experts.
Like? Or do you do like other religious folks and cherry pick your experts?....:)

Will Harper, Princeton University physicist, former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy:

“I had the privilege of being fired by Al Gore, since I refused to go along with his alarmism....I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect....Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science. The earth's climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”

George Kukla, climatologist, research scientist with the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University:

"The only thing to worry about is the damage that can be done by worrying. Why are some scientists worried? Perhaps because they feel that to stop worrying may mean to stop being paid."
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#109042 Jul 28, 2013
Nephilim wrote:
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I have only posted as MAMMON and Nephilim in this thread. I have to change my name in the Somerset forum because the mod keeps banning me. If you go back and look most of my posts have been removed even tho they in no way violate the TOS. Just like this post will more than likely also eventually be removed because of the Nazi mod that has killed the Somerset forum.
I think the reason you think everyone is the same person is because Atheist tend to be better educated or at least look to educate themselves more so we use proper grammar. Now if you tried to be ten different people we would instantly know it because your grammar sucks and you show no signs of improving. I've noticed this with a lot of the Jesus Junkies, they waste their life away waiting to get into heaven with them streets of gold.
Viagio,wazzup,you klutz
So they have banned you ,have they? I am not surprised.
Well,it seems that those who are "better educated" are being banned for their lack of decency and failing to adhere to the rules.
Moreover,these "better Educated" individuals have a higher rate of drug and alcohol addiction,mental disorders and more likely to commit suicide.....
Why might that be,pray tell...Feel free to respomnd under any of your many monikers.....
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#109044 Jul 28, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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"Evidence?" LOL!
Ummm, was that the "evidence" that one person posted shortly after another person...or that one person didn't post for a long time because the other one was posting.
Surprisingly even Yaa is willing to admit you are wrong.
(Could be that is the first smart thing I've ever heard him say.)
You surprised me. I knew you would respond,but,I was sure you would respond under one of your other monikers,chromiuman or spektakals.
When I presented that evidence,thewitch was not mentioned.
You weren't even posting under that name at the time.
So how did ya know i had posted that ?
Not only that,you have stopped using that MO....
But,there is more than one way to skin a cat and you just skinned yourself...LOL
BTW,,,It was convenient of you to let us know that yo had mental problems before you became an Atheist.
Funny,you never mentioned that before....
Why did you wait till it became common knowledge that Atheists have a higher rate of mental maladies than anyone else,to make your point.
And that,only after I stated that I knew of no one who had ever claimed to have had their mental problems cured by converting to Atheism.
Then,you compound your problem by making the same claim under the nick Dukette..
Only,under the nick Dukette ,you alluded to having had a drinking problem...
2 out of 3 ain't bad... I am really grateful you haven't contemplated the 3rd one.......
You are one messed up person,multiple personalities and all.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#109045 Jul 28, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Did I say... Life need oxygen??? No... I did not!
What I stated is, He injected Evilution into the talk about the elements, and has NO proof Oxygen did NOT exist before life began!
It is ONLY the narrative of Evilution, and the false claims of
Evilutionists defending the fact that amino acids cannot generate in oxygen rich environments!
I say... God created Life out of His Words...
Evilution is only mans words!
Get to know Him... you'll be glad you did!
You really need some class time,,,,

Amino acids can indeed generate in an oxygen rich environment, they can generate in a oxygen poor environment, they can generate in a methane rich or poor environ, They can generate in a UV saturated, electrically charged environment and can have phosphorus replaced with arsenic in structure....

We have no idea of the variations of the construct of what is called Life because we and all we observe evolved to fit the chemical makeup of the environments Here on earth and we Know that Life can exist from below freezing to above boiling temps, live happens in acid baths and alkaline conditions, at pressures a million times greater than you are able to handle and extreme low pressures.... Life can live and thrive in the water around the core of a nuclear reactor and in Every Case amino acids are at the base of their existence....

The problem that you have is the ability to understand the basic principles involved... the environment drives what life will be, you see life as requiring a specific environment to exist.. Earth today would be thriving with life even is there was no oxygen in the atmospheric gasses, it would be thriving if the environment was completely different as long as a few basic element were within limits... At least life as we are just starting to understand here on earth.... We have no idea what might constitute Life on other worlds....
Ghy

Ransom, KY

#109046 Jul 28, 2013
Ffftt

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