Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the Feb 10, 2010, The Courier-Journal story titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#108932 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure about that last part. But the very fact no resurrection is mentioned should be the largest red flag to anyone who can see this.
How could a believer think the book of Mark would just leave this part out? It is the smoking bullet that is evidence of a mythical story.
Note how no believers here have debated this yet.
Denial is key to faith.
Fools and idiots need correction....
All 4 of the Gospels,which includes Mark, mention the resurrection.
Because your minds have been dulled and you are unable to see, has led you and Viagio to make foolish, unintelligible and totally lacking in credibility, absurd statements.
That you continuously misinterpret what is written in the Bible is quite obvious by your inane postings.
Viagio is living proof that Atheists are afflicted with mental disorders.....Not only him,but the other Atheist poster that accompanies you in sharing 10 monikers.
Your abilities to distort,misquote and misrepresent what is written in the Bible is more than ample proof of your deteriorating mental conditions.
Ignorance is the Key to Atheism
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108934 Jul 27, 2013
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's my opinion on it. Seeing how no one wrote about Jesus until many, many years after his death, a few old guys got together and said hey, lets just act like there was a guy named Jesus. Well tell a bunch of stories and act like he fulfilled some of the OT prophesies and all these idiots will believe it because we'll promise them great things after they die.
The reason I think this is because there is no proof of Jesus existence outside of the bible. If a man actually went around performing miracles there would be all kinds of proof. If a Roman in any kind of power knew that Jesus could raise the dead then they wouldn't have killed him, they would of been kissing his ass and trying to keep him around in case they died.
interesting. you might enjoy a book - which reads like fiction, despite the author's possible intention - called The Passover Plot.

I do think that it is possible that the Jesus figure was a composite of Essenes, wandering preachers, wannabe Messiahs, and wannabe prophets, and an ethical contribution from a number of folks involved in writing and revising the texts concerning that figure. I like a few of the ethical precepts, though many are too closely tied in with nonsense theology. Matthew 25, the sheep and goats and hell part are nonsense theology, but the suggestions on specific unfortunates to whom one should be kind are still relevant.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108935 Jul 27, 2013
I do not think all JW's would take that view. I do not approve of the Amish practice of shunning either, though I know a few nice Amish folks, just as I know a few nice JW's. Since I think there are nutcases in all religions, I don't feel comfortable with blanket condemnations of everyone in a group. Better to praise the ones in each group who try to be most ethical and least intolerant and superstitious. I would probably be on your side on many issues, however, so this is not meant as hostile.
Nephilim wrote:
Everyone who leaves the JWs are called "mentally diseased" and are to be totally avoided.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108936 Jul 27, 2013
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's my opinion on it. Seeing how no one wrote about Jesus until many, many years after his death, a few old guys got together and said hey, lets just act like there was a guy named Jesus. Well tell a bunch of stories and act like he fulfilled some of the OT prophesies and all these idiots will believe it because we'll promise them great things after they die.
The reason I think this is because there is no proof of Jesus existence outside of the bible. If a man actually went around performing miracles there would be all kinds of proof. If a Roman in any kind of power knew that Jesus could raise the dead then they wouldn't have killed him, they would of been kissing his ass and trying to keep him around in case they died.
The bible claims on the day Jesus was executed, the dead rose from the graves all over Jerusalem. Funny, not a word of this event was ever recorded in that day or even decade. It was not claimed in Mark. It was claimed several decades latter. Clearly not very many people believed the claim until centuries latter after Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire.

I would expect if Jesus came back from the dead and proved the doubters wrong, their would be a huge movement to embrace his claims immediately. But the slow growth of Christianity shows the story is more likely pure myth.
Glad to be foreign

Auckland, New Zealand

#108937 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Fools and idiots need correction....
All 4 of the Gospels,which includes Mark, mention the resurrection.
Because your minds have been dulled and you are unable to see, has led you and Viagio to make foolish, unintelligible and totally lacking in credibility, absurd statements.
That you continuously misinterpret what is written in the Bible is quite obvious by your inane postings.
Viagio is living proof that Atheists are afflicted with mental disorders.....Not only him,but the other Atheist poster that accompanies you in sharing 10 monikers.
Your abilities to distort,misquote and misrepresent what is written in the Bible is more than ample proof of your deteriorating mental conditions.
Ignorance is the Key to Atheism
Your theory on "christians" recovering more quickly from illness, or have a less stressful outlook on thinks in general is because they live in a state of fictional bliss and don't have a grasp of or refuse to accept life's realities. Another decscription is that Americans believe in this religion garbage because they are gullible and stupid.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108938 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Fools and idiots need correction....
All 4 of the Gospels,which includes Mark, mention the resurrection.
Because your minds have been dulled and you are unable to see, has led you and Viagio to make foolish, unintelligible and totally lacking in credibility, absurd statements.
That you continuously misinterpret what is written in the Bible is quite obvious by your inane postings.
Viagio is living proof that Atheists are afflicted with mental disorders.....Not only him,but the other Atheist poster that accompanies you in sharing 10 monikers.
Your abilities to distort,misquote and misrepresent what is written in the Bible is more than ample proof of your deteriorating mental conditions.
Ignorance is the Key to Atheism
actually, the one thing in your comment which interests me is your allegation that there is "the other Atheist poster.." with 10 monikers. Do you have any suspicions as to which names go with which one? I do not use any other name, and my agnostic atheism sometimes classes with more assertive atheism. Especially a character named Skeptic and another named lol in a suit. Do you have reason to think those two are the same, or that skeptic uses other names? I find him very arrogant in his assertion that he knows (that there is no God). I strongly suspect no one knows, either way.

Disregarding the rest of your comment, and with no wish to argue with that, I am still curious about the name assertion, and what linkages you suspect.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108939 Jul 27, 2013
clashes with, I meant. agnostic atheism is merely not believing in any god one has heard of - it does not assert that one knows there is no god, or that one has proof. A skeptic should be another name similar to agnostic atheism - but the commenter calling himself Skeptic is very sure that there is no God, and that he knows, and that anyone who is even open-minded and truly skeptical is a theist and superstitious and subject to his obscene insults. I just wish to make it clear that I repudiate this Skeptic character, though I respect true skeptics.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108940 Jul 27, 2013
Is "christchurch" in new zealand?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108941 Jul 27, 2013
There is no god.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108942 Jul 27, 2013
Glad to be foreign wrote:
<quoted text>
Your theory on "christians" recovering more quickly from illness, or have a less stressful outlook on thinks in general is because they live in a state of fictional bliss and don't have a grasp of or refuse to accept life's realities. Another decscription is that Americans believe in this religion garbage because they are gullible and stupid.
Are you really in New zealand? I have seen garden shows about that country and it looks beautiful. You are right that too many Americans are believers in one religious susperstition or another. However, there are centrist and even liberal believers who emphasize ethics, and do not promote the most vicious elements of fireand brimstone hellfire type Christianity. And there are plenty of skeptics among Americans also. More than speak out openly, since some of the rightwing nutcases are dangerous, and gunlovers.

Even if having a certain belief had pragmatic results that please people, it would not mean the belief is true.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108943 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Fools and idiots need correction....
All 4 of the Gospels,which includes Mark, mention the resurrection.
Because your minds have been dulled and you are unable to see, has led you and Viagio to make foolish, unintelligible and totally lacking in credibility, absurd statements.
That you continuously misinterpret what is written in the Bible is quite obvious by your inane postings.
Viagio is living proof that Atheists are afflicted with mental disorders.....Not only him,but the other Atheist poster that accompanies you in sharing 10 monikers.
Your abilities to distort,misquote and misrepresent what is written in the Bible is more than ample proof of your deteriorating mental conditions.
Ignorance is the Key to Atheism
Ok, I looked it up and it does have mention of it. I am man enough to admit a wrong.

Now if you truly believe the claims, then are you going to test the claims? Do you drink poison and heal the sick daily? If not, why?

Mark 16:14-18

English Standard Version (ESV)
The Great Commission

14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15 And he said to them,“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108944 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The bible claims on the day Jesus was executed, the dead rose from the graves all over Jerusalem. Funny, not a word of this event was ever recorded in that day or even decade. It was not claimed in Mark. It was claimed several decades latter. Clearly not very many people believed the claim until centuries latter after Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire.
I would expect if Jesus came back from the dead and proved the doubters wrong, their would be a huge movement to embrace his claims immediately. But the slow growth of Christianity shows the story is more likely pure myth.
Clearly the holyhatebible is a work of fiction.
Glad to be foreign

Auckland, New Zealand

#108945 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, dude, seriously? You are going to tell me that you can't see all the prophecies that foretell Christ? Even though His name is not mentioned?
Jesus is the only person that ever lived that has had any claim to fulfilling the prophecies that only the Son of God could perform, because He was not simply a man. Jesus had to fulfill all prophecies mentioned in the OT. The only reason Jews didn't believe Him is because they misunderstood that His kingdom was not on this earth like they thought.
Please just google the prophesies that foretell the coming of Jesus. This is so easy to look up.
The jesus stories.......are all myths or legends created from incidents that were generated by coincidence, then enhanced by embellishment, wishful thinking and believed in by the gullible and stupid.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108947 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The bible claims on the day Jesus was executed, the dead rose from the graves all over Jerusalem. Funny, not a word of this event was ever recorded in that day or even decade. It was not claimed in Mark. It was claimed several decades latter. Clearly not very many people believed the claim until centuries latter after Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire.
I would expect if Jesus came back from the dead and proved the doubters wrong, their would be a huge movement to embrace his claims immediately. But the slow growth of Christianity shows the story is more likely pure myth.
Have you seen some of the statements of this new Pope, that look much more tolerant than previous Catholic doctrine? Some of the best liberals in Congress are liberal Catholics, and some of the great radicals are liberation theory Catholics. I am so glad to be rid of Pope ratty, as I thought of him, the one with the Nazi background.

I still take the view that even agnostic atheist skeptic types (if on the left) can find much ethical common ground with the believers on the left - if leftist both on theology and ethics. I still favor whatever coalition is big enough to defeat the rightwing nutcases, who are backed by big money interests, and vast masses of ignorance.
dave

Gamaliel, KY

#108948 Jul 27, 2013
wells
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108949 Jul 27, 2013
this was to curious, who isn't openminded curious, more like grand inquisitor curious. maybe a relative of Cong Issa? I love your name, and am always glad to see your comments. I do not remember the other two commenters. I think it is sometimes funny and sometimes possible when there are accusations of using multiple names. I think it is occasionally fun - given my town location which makes it clear that it is still me playing - to use a topical name that refers to the issue discussed, and I used Mother Earth once in an environmental discussion.
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not. Your delusion blinds you.
<quoted text>
As usual, it scares you to think there are really so many of us.
Keep right on denying reality, honey. You are good at it.
<quoted text>
No. As I have said before, I only post as aWitchintheWoods.
It's a great name. Why wouldn't I use it?
However it doesn't matter what I say as you will continue to live in your happy little fantasy.
<quoted text>
I don't know what happened to them.
SP's language was a bit over the top, so I suppose it could have gotten him banned but I never saw Ummm say anything distasteful.
On the contrary, his posts were very well-spoken, educated and intelligent. I miss them both though. Couple of interesting guys.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108950 Jul 27, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>That is... Keep "YOUR" religion of Evilution out of our schools, as it is a total lie!
We can adapt to certain circumstances, but Man in the Beginning was still Man at the end...
We did not come from Pond scum!
What does this have to do with your claim that evolution is trying to prove god a myth? Again you divert.
You can claim it is a lie if you wish, but the evidence shows it is true.
Now that I addressed your diversion, please show us where evolution claims god does not exist? And again, my name is not evolution. I am not evolution. Evolution is a theory of how life evolves.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108952 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I was referring to the part where Mormons on both sides of the war meet.
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious. Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108953 Jul 27, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Oh Yes!
I was watching a show about how our Periodic table came about..
The guy had huge desk that had the table on it, and in
the squares were lids, that held a sample of the material...
Awesome... Until he HAD to inject Evilutional theory into it!
When it came to "O"! He just had to say "O" wasn't here in the beginning to align the narrative of how Evilutionists believe Life began on earth... NOTHING, but Pure CONJECTURE!
Much like the rest of Their Theory... "Pure CONJECTURE"!
Irreducible complexity sends stares them in the face, and
they close their eyes tightly... They cannot stand the Light!
You actually don't know that life does not require oxygen do you, poor thing....

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108954 Jul 27, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>And Eve didn't listen to God, but fell to satan's Lies...
Go figure... The Bible speaks about Believers believing a lie!
If you'd have read it, as you say... you'd know this!
I think you've lied, or just being a Tard....
Which is it???
Whether evolution is a lie or not, I still proved your claim as false. God believers do often believe in evolution. It is a fact that is easily provable, so quit making false claims to push your agenda.
In a roundabout way, you admitted I was correct.
Deal with actual facts, then we can have a reasonable debate.

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