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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 151759 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#108914 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
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I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems.
That's because atheism is a stance on the claim that a god or gods exist. It is not a 12-step program for people with addictions.

Did you not get that memo?

I can't read the rest of your post because you don't understand where to put periods, commas, and spaces. It's like trying to decipher hieroglyphs written by an insane person and then realizing the thing they wrote is not worth reading in the first place.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#108915 Jul 27, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Ok, dude, seriously? You are going to tell me that you can't see all the prophecies that foretell Christ? Even though His name is not mentioned?
Jesus is the only person that ever lived that has had any claim to fulfilling the prophecies that only the Son of God could perform, because He was not simply a man. Jesus had to fulfill all prophecies mentioned in the OT. The only reason Jews didn't believe Him is because they misunderstood that His kingdom was not on this earth like they thought.
Please just google the prophesies that foretell the coming of Jesus. This is so easy to look up.
Yes, I've read all about the prophecies that allegedly foretell Jesus. They are far from compelling. Basically some old people said some vague stuff and modern readers map their own desires and needs onto them.

Exactly like I did with Michael Jackson, but with a lot more time and energy put into the process.

Look up modern vs. ancient interpretation and you'll get a sense of what I'm trying to say. Look up the ridiculous mental acrobatics that apologists have to do in order to make sense of the Abraham and Isaac story, for example. Or the way in which apologists will interpret the scriptures to make genocides seem both necessary and moral.

Then tell me that prophecies of Jesus are still compelling.

I mean seriously, was it too hard for your god to whisper the name of Jesus into somebody's ear?
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#108916 Jul 27, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
lol
Science is cool sometimes too huh YaA !
Oh Yes!
I was watching a show about how our Periodic table came about..
The guy had huge desk that had the table on it, and in
the squares were lids, that held a sample of the material...
Awesome... Until he HAD to inject Evilutional theory into it!
When it came to "O"! He just had to say "O" wasn't here in the beginning to align the narrative of how Evilutionists believe Life began on earth... NOTHING, but Pure CONJECTURE!
Much like the rest of Their Theory... "Pure CONJECTURE"!
Irreducible complexity sends stares them in the face, and
they close their eyes tightly... They cannot stand the Light!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#108917 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I can hear myself.
Would you like to show how I am wrong or are you going to just play like a schoolyard brat?
You want religion out of schools? Great, then we agree on something.
That is... Keep "YOUR" religion of Evilution out of our schools, as it is a total lie!
We can adapt to certain circumstances, but Man in the Beginning was still Man at the end...
We did not come from Pond scum!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#108918 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>First, the theory of evolution is believed by many god believers, so your whole premise is provably a lie.
The Catholic church officially says evolution is truth. Now it claims the mechanism is god, but that is just their view of how evolution works.
Now I know you hate Catholicism but they do believe in god. Now are you going to continue to lie to make your case?
And Eve didn't listen to God, but fell to satan's Lies...
Go figure... The Bible speaks about Believers believing a lie!
If you'd have read it, as you say... you'd know this!
I think you've lied, or just being a Tard....
Which is it???
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#108919 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you wish for science books that speak of evolution to be taken out of schools?
Funny how some here think no Christians have this agenda.
Who on here ever thought we didn't???
Sniffing to much concrete dust???
We want TRUTH in our schools, and Evilution is PURE Conjecture!
You can, and I guess will deny that, as
Getting rid of God is YOUR Agenda!
Funny how hard you fight for something, that
you KNOW in your heart is a Lie!
Yes and Amen

Georgetown, KY

#108920 Jul 27, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
Read this in another forum and thought I would pass it along....
(edited for space)
My daughter and I went through the McDonald's take-out window and I gave the clerk a $5 bill.
Our total was $4.25, so I also handed her a quarter.
She said,'you gave me too much money.' I said,'Yes I know, but this way you can just give me a dollar bill back.
She sighed and went to get the manager, who asked me to repeat my request.
I did so, and he handed me back the quarter, and said 'We're sorry but we could not do that kind of thing.'
The clerk then proceeded to give me back $1 and 75 cents in change.
Do not confuse the clerks at McD's.
IDIOT SIGHTING IN FOOD SERVICE
My daughter went to a local Taco Bell and ordered a taco.
She asked the person behind the counter for 'minimal lettuce.'
He said he was sorry, but they only had iceberg lettuce.
-- From Kansas City
IDIOT SIGHTING
I was at the airport, checking in at the gate when an airport employee asked,
'Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge?'
To which I replied,'If it was without my knowledge, how would I know?'
He smiled knowingly and nodded,'That's why we ask.'
Happened in Birmingham , Ala.
IDIOT SIGHTING
The stoplight on the corner buzzes when it's safe to cross the street.
I was crossing with an intellectually challenged coworker of mine. She asked if I knew what the buzzer was for.
I explained that it signals blind people when the light is red.
Appalled, she responded,'What on earth are blind people doing driving?!'
She was a probation officer in Wichita , KS
IDIOT SIGHTING
At a good-bye luncheon for an old and dear coworker who was leaving the company due to 'downsizing,'
our manager commented cheerfully,'This is fun. We should do this more often.'
Not another word was spoken. We all just looked at each other with that deer-in-the-headlights stare.
This was a lunch at Texas Instruments.
IDIOT SIGHTING
I work with an individual who plugged her power strip back into itself
and for the sake of her life, couldn't understand why her system would not turn on.
A deputy with the Dallas County Sheriff’s office, no less.
IDIOT SIGHTING
How would you pronounce this child's name?
"Le-a"
Leah?? NO
Lee - A?? NOPE
Lay - a?? NO
Lei?? Guess Again.
This child attends a school in Kansas City, Mo.
Her mother is irate because everyone is getting her name wrong.
It's pronounced "Ledasha".
When the Mother was asked about the pronunciation of the name, she said, "the dash don't be silent."
SO, if you see something come across your desk like this please remember to pronounce the dash.
If dey axe you why, tell dem de dash don't be silent.
STAY ALERT!
They walk among us......and they VOTE.
At first I laughed!
Second, I thought these People have to be Obama supporters!
Then I read the last line... They Vote!
Now... I want to cry for America.... They are Obama supporters!
I kept a copy to pass along!
uuummm

Lexington, KY

#108921 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Inasmuch as you,Duquette and the other Atheists that post on this website are unable to understand that which is written therein,which you misinterpret,quote out of context and as proven recently,make claims that are false,then you should not read the bible.
You that claim that we who believe are afflicted by delusions,in case you havent't heard,scientific studies confirm that nonbelievers are afflicted by a higher rate of mental problems than those who beliece,are more likely to become addicted to drugs ,alcohol and more likely to become suicidial.
There are those who will attest to the fact that their belief in God cured them from their drug and alcohol addiction.
There are those who will attest that there belief in God prevented them from committing suicide..
I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems.
What you guys need to do is,knowing that unbelief is causing such a problem within those in your community,try and figure out some way where you can be of assistance to these poor souls.
Right now,if an Atheist has a mental problem he can wait for it to go away,call on the government or turn to A church for assistance,while those who created the problem continue spreading their poison unabated...
It is no wonder that polls show that the overwhelming majority of Americans put Atheists at the bottom of the list when it comes to trustworthiness....
"I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems."

Well, you just have not looked. There are lots of message boards and websites with the stories of people that have left religion and the benefits it has given them.

Unfortunately those sites are also full of people that have, or would like to come out as atheist and the rejection and pure hate they receive from people that are supposed to love and accept them. Yeah, that causes some emotional distress. But most have decided that the freedom they feel inside is worth it. They do have to work through losing their whole support system and that can be quite a challenge.

Here is one story. There are thousands of others out there:

http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/yourstory/f...

"And what's more, letting go of God helped me psychologically. I've dealt with depression most of my life, and I think a lot of it was due to guilt I felt from my religion. Getting rid of superstition helped me realize that I wasn't a bad person at all and I had nothing to feel guilty about. I could be a good person without God, and that realization was so freeing to me. Now I feel normal, and I couldn't ask for anything better than that."

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108922 Jul 27, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you've lied, or just being a Tard....
Which is it???
It is "I think" and the rest of the post is inconsequential. You express opinions from the viewpoint of a delusional psychotic.

Tell me, YaA. Was the Earth flooded to a depth of 15 cubits over the mountains abt. 4,500 YA?
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108923 Jul 27, 2013
Atheism101 wrote:
<quoted text>
PhiNitWitTic You sPEak Of sMaLLMINDed.
!REALly! lol
The College Edjumacated DuHmmy - THE True Religious NUT.
iF BRAINS were MaDe oF CoTtOn !!!YOU!!!! wOuld Not have ENOugh TOOOOOO make A TAMPon for A GNATS ArSe.
ROFLMAO
College REJECTed PhiNitWitTic The ChamPION Of HYpocRisy and STUPIDity.
It is because of what emanates from an atheists mind and what comes out of their mouth that they have a need for toilet paper
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108924 Jul 27, 2013
uuummm wrote:
<quoted text>
"I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems."
Well, you just have not looked. There are lots of message boards and websites with the stories of people that have left religion and the benefits it has given them.
Unfortunately those sites are also full of people that have, or would like to come out as atheist and the rejection and pure hate they receive from people that are supposed to love and accept them. Yeah, that causes some emotional distress. But most have decided that the freedom they feel inside is worth it. They do have to work through losing their whole support system and that can be quite a challenge.
Here is one story. There are thousands of others out there:
http://www.thinkatheist.com/group/yourstory/f...
"And what's more, letting go of God helped me psychologically. I've dealt with depression most of my life, and I think a lot of it was due to guilt I felt from my religion. Getting rid of superstition helped me realize that I wasn't a bad person at all and I had nothing to feel guilty about. I could be a good person without God, and that realization was so freeing to me. Now I feel normal, and I couldn't ask for anything better than that."
Well,obviously,those people are nowhere to be found.
The number of studies that I have cited all point to unbelievers and their high suicide rate,drug and alcohol addiction and other mental maladies.
Seems to me you used those same words"have nothing to feel guilty about" under the nick "Kitten Kodder"
You lied then and are lying now..
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108925 Jul 27, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not. Your delusion blinds you.
<quoted text>
As usual, it scares you to think there are really so many of us.
Keep right on denying reality, honey. You are good at it.
<quoted text>
No. As I have said before, I only post as aWitchintheWoods.
It's a great name. Why wouldn't I use it?
However it doesn't matter what I say as you will continue to live in your happy little fantasy.
<quoted text>
I don't know what happened to them.
SP's language was a bit over the top, so I suppose it could have gotten him banned but I never saw Ummm say anything distasteful.
On the contrary, his posts were very well-spoken, educated and intelligent. I miss them both though. Couple of interesting guys.
Just for the heck of it...
I went back to when SP was on this website. YOU were not posting on this website under Wich at that time...
Neither when Ummm was regurgitating nonsense.
We know you post in more than 1 nick.
So does Spektakals,Chromiuman,Iagio ,Dukettemtreebeard lol and all the other nicks you use.
A otro perro con ese hueso testa di cipolla
uuummm

Lexington, KY

#108926 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Well,obviously,those people are nowhere to be found.
The number of studies that I have cited all point to unbelievers and their high suicide rate,drug and alcohol addiction and other mental maladies.
Seems to me you used those same words"have nothing to feel guilty about" under the nick "Kitten Kodder"
You lied then and are lying now..
I have never posted under that name. You found one study.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/15/169342349/more-...

Read the stories of some of these young people.

"One-fifth of Americans are religiously unaffiliated — higher than at any time in recent U.S. history — and those younger than 30 especially seem to be drifting from organized religion. A third of young Americans say they don't belong to any religion."

Read some stories on the site below if you are really interested in how people feel about leaving religion (I don't think you are but someone else may be):

http://new.exchristian.net/search/label/Testi...
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108927 Jul 27, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because atheism is a stance on the claim that a god or gods exist. It is not a 12-step program for people with addictions.
Did you not get that memo?
I can't read the rest of your post because you don't understand where to put periods, commas, and spaces. It's like trying to decipher hieroglyphs written by an insane person and then realizing the thing they wrote is not worth reading in the first place.
Here,I have spaced it out for ya,,Now you have no excuses...Stop running away from reality...It will always catch up to ya

Inasmuch as you, Duquette and the other Atheists that post on this website are unable to understand that which is written in the Bible
which you misinterpret,quote out of context and as proven recently,make claims that are false,then you should not read the bible.

You that claim that we who believe are afflicted by delusions, in case you havent't heard, scientific studies confirm that nonbelievers are afflicted by a higher rate of mental problems than those who believe,are more likely to become addicted to drugs , alcohol and more likely to become suicidial.

There are those who will attest to the fact that their belief in God cured them from their drug and alcohol addiction.

There are those who will attest that there belief in God prevented them from committing suicide..
I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems.

What you guys need to do is, knowing that unbelief is causing such a problem within those in your community, try and figure out some way where you can be of assistance to these poor souls.

Right now, if an Atheist has a mental problem he can wait for it to go away,call on the government or turn to a church for assistance,while those who created the problem continue spreading their poison unabated...

It is no wonder that polls show that the overwhelming majority of Americans put Atheists at the bottom of the list when it comes to trustworthiness
uuummm

Lexington, KY

#108928 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Just for the heck of it...
I went back to when SP was on this website. YOU were not posting on this website under Wich at that time...
Neither when Ummm was regurgitating nonsense.
We know you post in more than 1 nick.
So does Spektakals,Chromiuman,Iagio ,Dukettemtreebeard lol and all the other nicks you use.
A otro perro con ese hueso testa di cipolla
Right, there is only one agnostic/atheist/believer in something you don't on this whole world wide forum....no wait, maybe two...!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108930 Jul 27, 2013
SistaNoneyoBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't even ever begin to think about any sort "utopia" in that sense. Why bother-it's just not realistic.
So, guess we actually kind of agree on stuff!
Then why did you bother posting about it? Of course it is not realistic, and that was my entire point. So when religious believers claim heaven is a Utopia, I point out it is not realistic.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108931 Jul 27, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Here,I have spaced it out for ya,,Now you have no excuses...Stop running away from reality...It will always catch up to ya
Inasmuch as you, Duquette and the other Atheists that post on this website are unable to understand that which is written in the Bible
which you misinterpret,quote out of context and as proven recently,make claims that are false,then you should not read the bible.
You that claim that we who believe are afflicted by delusions, in case you havent't heard, scientific studies confirm that nonbelievers are afflicted by a higher rate of mental problems than those who believe,are more likely to become addicted to drugs , alcohol and more likely to become suicidial.
There are those who will attest to the fact that their belief in God cured them from their drug and alcohol addiction.
There are those who will attest that there belief in God prevented them from committing suicide..
I have yet to hear anyone testify that by converting to Atheism they were able to combat their addictions or deal effectively with their mental or social problems.
What you guys need to do is, knowing that unbelief is causing such a problem within those in your community, try and figure out some way where you can be of assistance to these poor souls.
Right now, if an Atheist has a mental problem he can wait for it to go away,call on the government or turn to a church for assistance,while those who created the problem continue spreading their poison unabated...
It is no wonder that polls show that the overwhelming majority of Americans put Atheists at the bottom of the list when it comes to trustworthiness
Ever heard of a psychologist? It is the non religious way to mental health. Some mental health problems are due to brain problems by birth. Nature does not make humans perfect.
I stopped drinking as an atheist, so your claim tells me you do not understand how to read and comprehend a study.
But for the sake of argument, lets say your claims are true. Does it mean the god you worship is true? Nope.
I do believe the last claim you made about how believers feel about non believers. So just what does this claim prove or mean to you? It tells me how believers are prejudging others as untrustworthy when they do not even know if they are trustworthy or not. This is called prejudice.
If you think this is a trait we should embrace, you only show me all the more why I should not heed your advice.
I see religion causing many problems, and we have addressed many of them here. I think it is responsible for much of the war in mans history, to top the list. It clearly was responsible for 9/11.
Yet none of these facts makes me lack trustworthiness in a religious person. You see, I judge trustworthiness depending upon how a person acts, not his general religious beliefs. I believe it is the more moral way to judge.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108932 Jul 27, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure about that last part. But the very fact no resurrection is mentioned should be the largest red flag to anyone who can see this.
How could a believer think the book of Mark would just leave this part out? It is the smoking bullet that is evidence of a mythical story.
Note how no believers here have debated this yet.
Denial is key to faith.
Fools and idiots need correction....
All 4 of the Gospels,which includes Mark, mention the resurrection.
Because your minds have been dulled and you are unable to see, has led you and Viagio to make foolish, unintelligible and totally lacking in credibility, absurd statements.
That you continuously misinterpret what is written in the Bible is quite obvious by your inane postings.
Viagio is living proof that Atheists are afflicted with mental disorders.....Not only him,but the other Atheist poster that accompanies you in sharing 10 monikers.
Your abilities to distort,misquote and misrepresent what is written in the Bible is more than ample proof of your deteriorating mental conditions.
Ignorance is the Key to Atheism
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108934 Jul 27, 2013
Nephilim wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's my opinion on it. Seeing how no one wrote about Jesus until many, many years after his death, a few old guys got together and said hey, lets just act like there was a guy named Jesus. Well tell a bunch of stories and act like he fulfilled some of the OT prophesies and all these idiots will believe it because we'll promise them great things after they die.
The reason I think this is because there is no proof of Jesus existence outside of the bible. If a man actually went around performing miracles there would be all kinds of proof. If a Roman in any kind of power knew that Jesus could raise the dead then they wouldn't have killed him, they would of been kissing his ass and trying to keep him around in case they died.
interesting. you might enjoy a book - which reads like fiction, despite the author's possible intention - called The Passover Plot.

I do think that it is possible that the Jesus figure was a composite of Essenes, wandering preachers, wannabe Messiahs, and wannabe prophets, and an ethical contribution from a number of folks involved in writing and revising the texts concerning that figure. I like a few of the ethical precepts, though many are too closely tied in with nonsense theology. Matthew 25, the sheep and goats and hell part are nonsense theology, but the suggestions on specific unfortunates to whom one should be kind are still relevant.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#108935 Jul 27, 2013
I do not think all JW's would take that view. I do not approve of the Amish practice of shunning either, though I know a few nice Amish folks, just as I know a few nice JW's. Since I think there are nutcases in all religions, I don't feel comfortable with blanket condemnations of everyone in a group. Better to praise the ones in each group who try to be most ethical and least intolerant and superstitious. I would probably be on your side on many issues, however, so this is not meant as hostile.
Nephilim wrote:
Everyone who leaves the JWs are called "mentally diseased" and are to be totally avoided.

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