Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,622

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

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#108805 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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I don't see "Creationists" trying to remove Science books from schools...I see people hatefully ragging on, and degrading others for having beliefs that might differ from their own.
Which makes no sense either, because that kind of stuff is just as ignorant and harmful, as extremist anything else.
So do you see the Christians here doing this or just atheist?

I see most of the Christians here on an agenda to remove evolution teaching from public schools. I am pretty sure evolution is in the textbooks. Do the math.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108806 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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A lot of people are "hypocrites" (females included) like that. Some can admit it, some can't, some don't even realize it and some just won't.
Such is life in a diverse, non-robot, non-preprogrammed world.
I am fully aware a lot of people are hypocrites. Is this your excuse for being one or is this just another diversion? I see you refuse to admit it when caught in the act.
I don't expect anyone to be perfect, but I do expect one to try and improve upon himself, or herself.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108807 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I didn't say GW didn't write ANYTHING. Go back and read please. My point was that we have his words that he did not write at the time they happened because others wrote it down.
And as I said, I believe in the Holy Ghost. I believe that those that wrote the books of the Bible were inspired by Him and therefore wrote accurately about doctrinally important events and teachings.
Believing claims to be flawless with no evidence is dangerous. It is gullible.
It is the thing discrimination breeds upon.
Your religion is evidence of this.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108808 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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What exactly is your point, and what are you measuring it by, your OWN personal opinions?
Just because you might require evidence for anything, doesn't mean everyone does.
That's why there's a little word called "Faith".
My point is "faith" is all to often dependent of double standards.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108809 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
George Washington didn't write much of anything either, but we still have his words, and know what he stood for.
Do you really know all Washington stood for? So many still debate what Washington stood for. Some claim he was a Christian, some claim he was a deist.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108810 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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What exactly is your point, and what are you measuring it by, your OWN personal opinions?
Just because you might require evidence for anything, doesn't mean everyone does.
That's why there's a little word called "Faith".
The god of the bible insists I must believe in it, although it shows zero evidence of existence. This is an unreasonable demand. Why would I think this god is real if it is so unreasonable?

If you wish to believe it, fine, but the reality is, believers typically insist I also believe and they have agendas that affect my life that I disagree with due to said beliefs. This is why I try to show why I think the god is of a myth.
John

Clay City, KY

#108811 Jul 25, 2013
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
talk to PRLady. She knows all about it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108812 Jul 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Yes, I was wrong about Mark. It does contain miracles and Jesus is said to have risen near the end. I was remembering it wrong.
But no, that is not why I dismiss Jesus as a divine figure. There are lots of other reasons such as the fact that divine figures don't exist.
Some bibles add in an extra small chapter to Mark in order to mention the supposed resurrection. It describes the tomb being empty, but no actual return and teachings latter claimed.
Mark has some miracles but far less than latter books.
Mark was written decades after the claimed Jesus was to have died. Exaggerations can come in days, minutes or even seconds after an event. In the days with no mass communications, exaggerations flourish because accountability is so poor.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108813 Jul 25, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>True science does NOT disprove God...
Only Evilution tries to say God does not exist, and
You call it science...
God is real... I KNOW He is!
Get used to it!
Evolution makes absolutely zero claims of a god. Must you lie in order to promote your beliefs?
The anti-science agenda you have is why I protest your beliefs.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108814 Jul 25, 2013
curious wrote:
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Let me see if I got this whole business wright.
A hole lot of people believe atheists have a whole in their heads.
LOL..Before you point it out,,I spelled LOL backwards...LOL
These many educated,intelligent Atheists you allude to,Where can they be found?
Comments posted by Atheists on this website;
John the Baptist taught Jesus....Wrong
Mark makes no mention of Jesus being the son of God,his resurection or any miracles......Wrong,,he has now admitted to being wrong.
Atheist claims to have evidence that the Bible predicted the coming of Michael Jackson.
Atheist claims that swallowing water melon seeds will not cause vines to grow out of you butt"That is more than I needede to know about watermelons" LOL,,I spelled LOL backwards again LOL
Atheist believes one should always be armed due to muggers who may break into your home,take your goods and RAPE your cat.
Since that item was posted,KITTEN KODDER has not been heard from
I dunno.
i have seen a lot of ignorant opinions posted...
May be these opinions are originating from Atheist wannabes.
Could be we should disregard the hole thing or,possibly I just shot your argument full of wholes HEH,HEH HEH...
I know what you gonna say...I spelled HEH backwards LOL
Oh,those mental games....
Was there some kind of point to all that babble?

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108815 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Man this quote really describes you:
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.
- Metallica
It is foretold in the scriptures that these things will happen. If you really took half the time that you spend degrading believers, and used it to study the scriptures, you could learn quite a bit on your own.
Been there, done that.
Learned that the bible is nothing but myth.

Why do you think so many people become atheists?
WE READ THE BIBLE.
That will make an disbeliever out of any intelligent person.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108816 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I believe at one time they were completely accurate. I believe that through different people's interpretations and translations (along with Satan's influence) that scriptures have become less perfect. I do not think that the intention of the scriptures was to leave things so open to interpretation that there could be this many denominations coming from the same source.
Also, judging from the way Christ taught, we are supposed to rely on the Holy Ghost for our understanding. Those that wanted to learn more, and had full intentions to follow His teachings no matter what they were, are the ones that had "ears to hear".
So the words of the bible are not perfect? I could have sworn on another post you attested your faith believed they were. Now which is it?
If the Satan could influence writers of the words in today's bible, why on earth would you take any of the words as truth just due to it being in the bible? If Satan could affect the words, why could he not affect whole books?

The lack of a consistent standard is why I have no faith the bible is reflecting true events.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108817 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Man this quote really describes you:
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.
- Metallica
It is foretold in the scriptures that these things will happen. If you really took half the time that you spend degrading believers, and used it to study the scriptures, you could learn quite a bit on your own.
It would be funny if it were not so sad that you have no idea how hypocritical your statement was.
Your arrogance is extreme and you demonstrated it here clearly.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108818 Jul 25, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Of course. He was created in our image, after all.
Or we created him in our image.
John

Clay City, KY

#108819 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Or we created him in our image.
talk to PR lady about this.

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Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108820 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Or we created him in our image.
That's what I said.

Or... the desert rats created him in their image, then the father of all western urbane pacifist hippies recreated him in his.

:-) we can do this all day....
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108821 Jul 25, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Been there, done that.
Learned that the bible is nothing but myth.
Why do you think so many people become atheists?
WE READ THE BIBLE.
That will make an disbeliever out of any intelligent person.
When it comes to God,I do not know why we would listen to the opinions of Atheists.
Because of their unbelief,they have been shown to have a higher rate of suicide,drug and alcohol addiction and other mental maladies than any other group.
We know where you been and what the results are
"According to researchers from Harvard Medical School, belief in god is correlated with improved outcomes of treatment for depression. Quoting:'In the study, published in the current issue of Journal of Affective Disorders, researchers comment that people with a moderate to high level of belief in a higher power do significantly better in short-term psychiatric treatment than those without. "Belief was associated with not only improved psychological well-being, but decreases in depression and intention to self-harm," says David H. Rosmarin, Ph.D., an instructor in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.' This raises interesting questions. Does this support the concept of depressive realism? If the association is found to be causal, would it be ethical for a psychiatrist to prescribe religion?"
Apparently Scientific Studies show that athiest are far more suicidal and are more likely to lack self confindence, amongst many other mental and character disorders...

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http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/a...

Abstract :
OBJECTIVE: Few studies have investigated the association between religion and suicide either in terms of Durkheim’s social integration hypothesis or the hypothesis of the regulative benefits of religion. The relationship between religion and suicide attempts has received even less attention.

METHOD: Depressed inpatients (N=371) who reported belonging to one specific religion or described themselves as having no religious affiliation were compared in terms of their demographic and clinical characteristics.

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#108822 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So again you divert by trying to psycho anilyze why I post on topix.
Funny how you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. You peck away and refuse to debate the accusation made. How ironic and hypocritical, not to mention a giant double standard.
What is your accusation exactly? Sorry to disappoint, but I never gave a moments thought as to "why" you post on here actually.
(except for maybe now -at this moment, wondering why anyone would even think anyone else was thinking something like that) and I am certainly not "psycho-analyzing" you lol.... just opinining from of mine own perspective.

I've already stated, I just cannot imagine lumping people into stereotypical groups of any sort, based upon any label of category and calling them all the same.

That to me, would be like calling all philosophical books, for example, the "same", or all science books the "same", and judging them only their outward coverings.

That type of illogic, just makes no sense to me, and seems rather shallow to boot.

So what's the double standard? I'm not directly attacking you personally with insults-as you are me-eh?
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108823 Jul 25, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Was there some kind of point to all that babble?
Yeahhhhh,I was responding to YOUR BABBLE..
BTW,,I was unable to locate any of the "intelligent and educated Atheists "you alluded to.
Guess trying to find 2 Atheists posting under 9 different monikers is not that easy.
Are you the same klutz that used to post under SP and UMMM or have they been banned permanently from topix?
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#108824 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So do you see the Christians here doing this or just atheist?
I see most of the Christians here on an agenda to remove evolution teaching from public schools. I am pretty sure evolution is in the textbooks. Do the math.
I don't think Science will ever be removed from classrooms anywhere, and I try to see beyond here, because this a pretty limited format a lot of times, in my opinion. Actually some of the better scientific, more scholarly, and open minded websites I have seen at times-have been sponsored by none other than "Christian affiliated" groups.
I cannot perpetuate myself to propagate "hate and insults" towards all folks based upon a mere label brandished as "Christians" in bigotry, any more than I could do so towards those of a mere label brandished "atheists".
To do something like that, just doesn't seem logical, or rational.

This is 2013, not 213 BC.

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