Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 137912 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108797 Jul 25, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Now you've crossed the line and confused yourself.
Keep it simple, you think ad speak for YOURSELF and I can and will do the same.
Just because some atheists are haters, doesn't mean all of them are, and just because some believers debate atheists doesn't mean all believers believe in it.
And just because something might seem a double standard to You personally, does not mean it is to others, and actually I would think that anyone else's faith would have nothing to do with your, or my (for that matter) perspective of standards, or double standards, at all.
Unless...are you some sort of roboTic pwetend-to-be-a-clone, or something freaky like that?
(pshew...ewe...)
I think ones standards has a lot to do with ones faith. This is a theme I have been addressing for some time now.
If a person refuses to have the same standards for his beliefs as the ones he rejects, it shows he is not using logic and reason for his choice of beliefs.
One should take the outsiders test for his own beliefs with consistent standards.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#108798 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, so now your excuse for not using the rules of society is because we are all stupid? I really do not think using different names is keeping anything simple.
What I see is here is you making excuses because you cannot admit to being wrong.
Man up and use a consistent name or we will just continue to not take you seriously. According to your excuse, you do not care to be taken seriously, so we are on the same page.
I think you're kind of stagnant and sophomoric with that right/wrong junk...whatever your reason for the simple mindedness of it is.

My guess-it makes you feel better about your OWN "wrongs", to dig around like a chicken just looking for something to peck at, so long as it's anyone else.

To which my response is-
Bullchit....pluck the logs out of your own eyes and quit scratching at everyone elses.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#108799 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Are you telling me to leave the science books alone or are you telling the creationists? You are just running from the question again. You agree messing with the science books is bad, so why not answer the actual question, which is, is this agenda by religion doing harm in our society? I see it as bad, thus I condemn the ideas that lead to the actions. You continue to run from this debate and dance around.
Note the actual question on my post.
I don't see "Creationists" trying to remove Science books from schools...I see people hatefully ragging on, and degrading others for having beliefs that might differ from their own.

Which makes no sense either, because that kind of stuff is just as ignorant and harmful, as extremist anything else.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#108800 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I note you again fail to include some Christians as haters. Again you skirt the entire issue I am addressing and divert. The continued diversion is clear evidence of a denial and double standard. If you think you have consistent standards, please explain why you run from the main point of my debate?
Just claiming to not have double standards is not showing anything other than a lack of understanding of how to show evidence of something.
What exactly is your point, and what are you measuring it by, your OWN personal opinions?

Just because you might require evidence for anything, doesn't mean everyone does.

That's why there's a little word called "Faith".

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108802 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Just because they don't name Him as Jesus doesn't mean they didn't foretell exactly what He would do and go through. He fulfilled the prophesies from the OT. Please try to prove me wrong. I invite the attempt.
Yes I am correcting you, because you are wrong. I'm not doing so to be malicious, just setting the record straight.
Back to Mark, you don't even have to read far to see Jesus calm a storm with a wave of His hand. Is this not a miracle to you?
I have no doubt the prophesies of the old could have easily claimed to have been fulfilled by someone, but again, it is but a claim.
I am sure many a devout Jewish scholar would be glad to show you where their writings did not mean what you interpret them to mean.
But with all these prophesies we see the typical vague predictions can be interpreted a thousand different ways. This is why their are over 38,000 different Christian sects.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#108803 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I think ones standards has a lot to do with ones faith. This is a theme I have been addressing for some time now.
If a person refuses to have the same standards for his beliefs as the ones he rejects, it shows he is not using logic and reason for his choice of beliefs.
One should take the outsiders test for his own beliefs with consistent standards.
A lot of people are "hypocrites" (females included) like that. Some can admit it, some can't, some don't even realize it and some just won't.

Such is life in a diverse, non-robot, non-preprogrammed world.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108804 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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I think you're kind of stagnant and sophomoric with that right/wrong junk...whatever your reason for the simple mindedness of it is.
My guess-it makes you feel better about your OWN "wrongs", to dig around like a chicken just looking for something to peck at, so long as it's anyone else.
To which my response is-
Bullchit....pluck the logs out of your own eyes and quit scratching at everyone elses.
So again you divert by trying to psycho anilyze why I post on topix.
Funny how you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing. You peck away and refuse to debate the accusation made. How ironic and hypocritical, not to mention a giant double standard.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108805 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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I don't see "Creationists" trying to remove Science books from schools...I see people hatefully ragging on, and degrading others for having beliefs that might differ from their own.
Which makes no sense either, because that kind of stuff is just as ignorant and harmful, as extremist anything else.
So do you see the Christians here doing this or just atheist?

I see most of the Christians here on an agenda to remove evolution teaching from public schools. I am pretty sure evolution is in the textbooks. Do the math.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108806 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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A lot of people are "hypocrites" (females included) like that. Some can admit it, some can't, some don't even realize it and some just won't.
Such is life in a diverse, non-robot, non-preprogrammed world.
I am fully aware a lot of people are hypocrites. Is this your excuse for being one or is this just another diversion? I see you refuse to admit it when caught in the act.
I don't expect anyone to be perfect, but I do expect one to try and improve upon himself, or herself.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108807 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say GW didn't write ANYTHING. Go back and read please. My point was that we have his words that he did not write at the time they happened because others wrote it down.
And as I said, I believe in the Holy Ghost. I believe that those that wrote the books of the Bible were inspired by Him and therefore wrote accurately about doctrinally important events and teachings.
Believing claims to be flawless with no evidence is dangerous. It is gullible.
It is the thing discrimination breeds upon.
Your religion is evidence of this.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108808 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
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What exactly is your point, and what are you measuring it by, your OWN personal opinions?
Just because you might require evidence for anything, doesn't mean everyone does.
That's why there's a little word called "Faith".
My point is "faith" is all to often dependent of double standards.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108809 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
George Washington didn't write much of anything either, but we still have his words, and know what he stood for.
Do you really know all Washington stood for? So many still debate what Washington stood for. Some claim he was a Christian, some claim he was a deist.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108810 Jul 25, 2013
SistaNoneyaBiz wrote:
<quoted text>
What exactly is your point, and what are you measuring it by, your OWN personal opinions?
Just because you might require evidence for anything, doesn't mean everyone does.
That's why there's a little word called "Faith".
The god of the bible insists I must believe in it, although it shows zero evidence of existence. This is an unreasonable demand. Why would I think this god is real if it is so unreasonable?

If you wish to believe it, fine, but the reality is, believers typically insist I also believe and they have agendas that affect my life that I disagree with due to said beliefs. This is why I try to show why I think the god is of a myth.
John

Clay City, KY

#108811 Jul 25, 2013
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
talk to PRLady. She knows all about it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108812 Jul 25, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Yes, I was wrong about Mark. It does contain miracles and Jesus is said to have risen near the end. I was remembering it wrong.
But no, that is not why I dismiss Jesus as a divine figure. There are lots of other reasons such as the fact that divine figures don't exist.
Some bibles add in an extra small chapter to Mark in order to mention the supposed resurrection. It describes the tomb being empty, but no actual return and teachings latter claimed.
Mark has some miracles but far less than latter books.
Mark was written decades after the claimed Jesus was to have died. Exaggerations can come in days, minutes or even seconds after an event. In the days with no mass communications, exaggerations flourish because accountability is so poor.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108813 Jul 25, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>True science does NOT disprove God...
Only Evilution tries to say God does not exist, and
You call it science...
God is real... I KNOW He is!
Get used to it!
Evolution makes absolutely zero claims of a god. Must you lie in order to promote your beliefs?
The anti-science agenda you have is why I protest your beliefs.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108814 Jul 25, 2013
curious wrote:
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Let me see if I got this whole business wright.
A hole lot of people believe atheists have a whole in their heads.
LOL..Before you point it out,,I spelled LOL backwards...LOL
These many educated,intelligent Atheists you allude to,Where can they be found?
Comments posted by Atheists on this website;
John the Baptist taught Jesus....Wrong
Mark makes no mention of Jesus being the son of God,his resurection or any miracles......Wrong,,he has now admitted to being wrong.
Atheist claims to have evidence that the Bible predicted the coming of Michael Jackson.
Atheist claims that swallowing water melon seeds will not cause vines to grow out of you butt"That is more than I needede to know about watermelons" LOL,,I spelled LOL backwards again LOL
Atheist believes one should always be armed due to muggers who may break into your home,take your goods and RAPE your cat.
Since that item was posted,KITTEN KODDER has not been heard from
I dunno.
i have seen a lot of ignorant opinions posted...
May be these opinions are originating from Atheist wannabes.
Could be we should disregard the hole thing or,possibly I just shot your argument full of wholes HEH,HEH HEH...
I know what you gonna say...I spelled HEH backwards LOL
Oh,those mental games....
Was there some kind of point to all that babble?

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108815 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Man this quote really describes you:
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.
- Metallica
It is foretold in the scriptures that these things will happen. If you really took half the time that you spend degrading believers, and used it to study the scriptures, you could learn quite a bit on your own.
Been there, done that.
Learned that the bible is nothing but myth.

Why do you think so many people become atheists?
WE READ THE BIBLE.
That will make an disbeliever out of any intelligent person.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108816 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I believe at one time they were completely accurate. I believe that through different people's interpretations and translations (along with Satan's influence) that scriptures have become less perfect. I do not think that the intention of the scriptures was to leave things so open to interpretation that there could be this many denominations coming from the same source.
Also, judging from the way Christ taught, we are supposed to rely on the Holy Ghost for our understanding. Those that wanted to learn more, and had full intentions to follow His teachings no matter what they were, are the ones that had "ears to hear".
So the words of the bible are not perfect? I could have sworn on another post you attested your faith believed they were. Now which is it?
If the Satan could influence writers of the words in today's bible, why on earth would you take any of the words as truth just due to it being in the bible? If Satan could affect the words, why could he not affect whole books?

The lack of a consistent standard is why I have no faith the bible is reflecting true events.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108817 Jul 25, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Man this quote really describes you:
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.
- Metallica
It is foretold in the scriptures that these things will happen. If you really took half the time that you spend degrading believers, and used it to study the scriptures, you could learn quite a bit on your own.
It would be funny if it were not so sad that you have no idea how hypocritical your statement was.
Your arrogance is extreme and you demonstrated it here clearly.

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