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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142340 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#108739 Jul 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>You are the second person who chose not to read the words "correct me if I'm wrong". So you dismiss my entire point? I was trying to be fair to your boy, Jesus. I was trying to give you some middle ground between liar and nutcase.

The Hebrew Bible never mentions Jesus Christ. Not one time. Ever. Not. Once.

You should go and read it sometime. It's dreadful.

Mark has no real miracles in it, right? Jesus didn't rise from the dead in Mark. Mark was written earliest. Each subsequent gospel adds more elaboration and miracles. By the time you get to John it's a friggin' circus.

That's precisely how legends grow. Do you not find that slightly suspicious? Why doesn't the Bible come right out of the gate from page one with "Jesus, the son of god, who walked on water and rose from the dead, is your lord and savior"?
Just because they don't name Him as Jesus doesn't mean they didn't foretell exactly what He would do and go through. He fulfilled the prophesies from the OT. Please try to prove me wrong. I invite the attempt.

Yes I am correcting you, because you are wrong. I'm not doing so to be malicious, just setting the record straight.
Back to Mark, you don't even have to read far to see Jesus calm a storm with a wave of His hand. Is this not a miracle to you?

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#108740 Jul 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus didn't write a single word of the New Testament.
George Washington didn't write much of anything either, but we still have his words, and know what he stood for.

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#108741 Jul 23, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
<quoted text>I found a link about the question I ask you that shows the LDS places the blame the killing of LDS on other LDS on the president of that country and you are not held blameless. The writer of the article sees things differently than the LDS leadership.

Religious ones seem to worship a God of war, I do see similarities between pagan worship and war also. Those who go into combat will walk with the devil.

That said, I agree with defending out country also. No I have not seen "Saints and Soldiers" and would like to watch it sometime.

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Should A Mormon Join The Military?
An Insidious Doctrine

Ask most latter-day saints about reconciling war with the commandment “Thou shalt not kill”, and you’ll nearly always hear that war is an exception to that rule. They'll tell you that God doesn’t hold the soldier accountable for any killing done in battle. When a Mormon kills during wartime it doesn’t count against him. He gets a pass. Responsibility for any killing transfers to the politicians who sent him into war.

The problem with this widely held “doctrine” is that it’s a false one. It is not supported anywhere in the scriptures. In fact, the reverse holds true.

As legions of those returning soldiers unable to live with themselves will tell you, God will hold you personally accountable for every last person you killed regardless of whether or not you were wearing a government issued uniform at the time.

http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2009/11/sho...
I can see this writer's point.

I'll read more later when I have time
SistaNoneyouBiz

London, KY

#108742 Jul 23, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Since "this is just aNother duhm top-icks thread," why are you and your oh-so-superior intellect here all the time?
You do nothing but insult pretty much everyone.
You fail miserably at being clever and witty.
I'm guessing you don't have the social skills for friends in real life either.
(Don't bother to respond. I will simply consider myself already insulted on your behalf.)
Reality-it's topicks, NOT a Britannica consortum.

Guess all you'd like, sorry to have to call you out as Wrong (although that does seem to be some sort of ulitimate goal for many, although not all, thank Goodness).

Please do feel free to assume your own insults, of your own self, on your own behalf, because that level of nastiness is not at all appealing to me.

Cheers!
BigWorldSmallmin deness

London, KY

#108743 Jul 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
n and men should be prepared to defend themselves to the best of their ability at all times. Sure, no problem. Mace and pepper spray is savage stuff but it wears off. You can pull that trigger and nobody dies.
Some would like to escalate being some what self defensively prepared, as being some sort of "criminal element act" as well, believe it or not.

Of course, they've probably never had to walk the walk of having to do so, just to survive.

“I was born a poor, black child”

Since: Jan 07

that weren't no easy thing

#108744 Jul 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure, I can share my opinion on this.
First of all I'm not opposed to anyone's right to bear arms. I enjoy shooting rifles and things like that myself, though I haven't really done it in years. But I don't think the average citizen should have the right to own very powerful weapons such as machine guns and the like. I'm not interested in debating that matter either, it is way down my list of debate topics.
I don't even overtly oppose Conceal and Carry laws or Open Carry or any of that junk. I think it's dumb, and I think less of people who do it (being honest here). But I don't necessarily use my votes to take it away from them. I don't really care.
But I am bugged by people who make arguments in support of carrying a gun around in public. I think their arguments tend to be based on wild speculation about how they would act in a situation with a criminal. Sure, sometimes a person legally carrying a gun can seem to avert a possible crime. But it seems rare to me. And it seems far more likely that if you were jumped by a mugger, for example, you would not have the time or presence of mind to get out your gun and do anything with it.
And honestly I think shooting someone is a bad idea. I don't have any sympathy for muggers or anything but in the dozen or so cases I know of personally any injuries sustained were extremely minor and in most cases the attacker got nothing. Adding a gun to the mix would only have made these situations worse.
Regarding women, I think both women and men should be prepared to defend themselves to the best of their ability at all times. Sure, no problem. Mace and pepper spray is savage stuff but it wears off. You can pull that trigger and nobody dies.
Pull the trigger on a gun and there's no going back.
Thanks, man. I just got a little confused on your stance is all (not too hard for me sometimes). It seems we view it similarly. I am a woman (not that it matters), small, and I keep a gun in the glovebox, and I will carry it with me when I'm hiking and such. Mostly, I just have a huge fear of very bad people, I'm not afraid to admit it. Politically, I feel things should be stricter on gun possession. But regardless how you got it (registered or illegal), I think once a person owns a gun, they must then take on the responsibility of that weapon. I own several, and I understand well that if one were to ever take another's life, then that's on me. But I don't feel every gun owner sees it this way, and those are the people who should NOT have a gun. Just my quick (and terribly rough, ill-prepared) thoughts on the matter :)

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Barbourville, KY

#108745 Jul 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry those tragedies happened to you. I fully realize these things do happen every day.
But I'm not paralyzed with fear as a result and I don't feel so insecure I have to carry a lethal weapon to buy milk.
I'm sorry you do. And, as I told the other poster, I have no interest or intention of attacking your right to do so. Just keep your pop guns away from my kids and we'll have no quarrel.
Until the day comes when your kids are on a milk carton and your just another helpless victim crying on Nancy Grace ....
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108746 Jul 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You ARE a cartoon.
No surprise coming from you!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108747 Jul 24, 2013
CivilLawandEthics wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh but that would mean a nation having to look at crime REALISTICALLY, rather than racially and politically twisted and baited by LOSERS, that could even begin to "overlook" such a vile, heinous of such contempt!
(and can you believe some WHACKed out nutjob even clicked a negative judge it on that post-disgusting, warped in the head vermon!)
I know... Right!
Darkness hates the Light, as it shows just how depraved they really are!
The Bible is so True, and Every issue we face!
God Bless :-)
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108748 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you cannot articulate a rebuttal?
No, I can... I just want you guys to figure it out on your own, as telling you seems to inspire increasingly ignorant comments... much like yours!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108749 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you cannot articulate a rebuttal?
I know what the bible demands.....non belief-off with your head!
Thank goodness secular men no longer allow Deuteronomy to be enforced.
Why? Because Deuteronomy demands immoral acts.
Now why would I follow a book that demands immoral acts?
Can you or any Christian here answer this or are you all going to divert and run to the denial cave?
I get that you do not follow Islam due to its immoral demands, but why do you have a double standard for your bible?
Tard!
Hold that thought!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108750 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The universe has not told us where it came from either, so why insist your beliefs must be true when you cannot show?
I'm STILL here!
God saved me!
You believe in the show Ghost hunters, UFOs, things like that, but
you cannot believe NDE's, and People that tell you God saved them?
Yet... you will believe Dawkins when he speaks?
NO! you do NOT want the Truth... The Light hurts your eyes!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108751 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If you cannot show your claims about dating the earth, then why should we believe they are a truth?
Am I to believe someone with the motive of proving a god over the overwhelming majority of scientists?
Science is not out to prove god exists or not. You and your propaganda have massive motive to lie. Science gains nothing if it proves god is myth. This it is less likely to have motive.
Religion has everything to lose, and that ten percent of members income tips the list.
This is massive money and it equals massive motive.
You forget... A LOT of those scientists are turning towards ID, and NO...
You do NOT get to claim Nature ID it!
You also forget the percentages of us... Who do NOT Want your Money, and don't care if you darken the door of a church!
We just want you saved, and to KNOW the truth!
God is Real, get used to it, as you will meet Him... I promise you that!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108752 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You don't seem to realize who this rebuttal was about (yes and amen). YAA is the typical hater of atheists. He hates most science books and wants them out of schools. Now I see this as harmful. Maybe you do not, but that is your business.
You consistently see religion as harmless. Did you forget about 9/11 already?
We demonstrate on a daily basis our problems with religion yet your short term memory seems not to keep these grievances in mind.
It is not the belief we hate, we hate the negative actions of believers due to the beliefs.
Now can you comprehend this concept?
What a lying Dipstick you are!
IF... IF I hated you, I would not try talking to you!
Stop your lying, and open your eyes to the Light!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108753 Jul 24, 2013
act your age wrote:
the entire nation is going the way of Detroit ,....
OK
keep backing obama and the democrats !
lets watch America fall !
it will be quite a show !
It's unstoppable!
Satan is grinding us to powder!
To God be the Glory of all who Repents, and is saved!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#108754 Jul 24, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
At least I know how the differece between "whole" and "hole."
<quoted text>
Try not to appear any more foolish than you usually do.
I post only as aWitchintheWoods.
It bothers you to think there are so many educated, intelligent, well-spoken atheists. You would rather pretend we are all posting under multiple names. But you are wrong, as usual.
Anyone with half a brain would notice the distinct personalities represented.
"educated, intelligent, well-spoken"
Not always!
You can be "educated, intelligent, well-spoken", and STILL go to Hell!
Go figure!
Oh... Try not to make ANY spelling mistakes, as I may feel...
I will have to point them out to you!
Good day!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108755 Jul 24, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
George Washington didn't write much of anything either, but we still have his words, and know what he stood for.
Now you're going all fundamental on us? Mind your 9th commandment.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gwhtml/

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108756 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again you simply misstate the study you posted. The study was on the elderly on the brink of certain death and often in pain. The motives of suicide for these persons was actually somewhat noble as they cited the burden they felt they put upon their children supporting them financially to artificially extend their lives with modern medicine.
But you twist the actual study to include all atheists, young and old. This is just lying for the motive of demonizing atheism.
I brought this up to you when you first published the study and you ignored my response. You clearly ignore it to keep in denial and keep the faith.
Of course you do not realize the beliefs you have are considered detrimental by others. You sit in ignorant bliss as you discriminate upon homosexuals and constantly demean science. Ironically posting science studies to prove your own points astounds me..
Stop making up nonsense
Full article online: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/a...

ABSTRACT:

OBJECTIVE: Few studies have investigated the association between religion and suicide either in terms of Durkheim's social integration hypothesis or the hypothesis of the regulative benefits of religion. The relationship between religion and suicide attempts has received even less attention.
METHOD: Depressed inpatients (N=371) who reported belonging to one specific religion or described themselves as having no religious affiliation were compared in terms of their demographic and clinical characteristics.

RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.

CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.

Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman compiled country-by-country survey, polling and census numbers relating to atheism, agnosticism, disbelief in God and people who state they are non-religious or have no religious preference. These data were published in the chapter titled "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine

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#108758 Jul 24, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>All laws are of man made traditions. Just look at the difference between the old and New Testament. The old traditions/laws needed an update and Jesus was that avenue to the changes.
Now is time for more updates. And I do not mean Joe Smith has the correct path to new traditions or laws. If he did, your church would never have made such massive mistakes as discriminating like it has done and is still doing.
Our traditions are moving past the era of Smiths days ( 1840). Our laws have moved along. Now catch up or be left behind.
I am speaking as a religious person so I can't agree. I believe some of their laws were from God.
Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic law and brought to them the higher law. He also corrected their laws that had crept overtime into something the law was not meant to be.
Like don't work on the Sabbath. Man had turned this into a more strict law than necessary. The law restricted normal work, but not the work of The Lord. He showed them it was ok to heal on the Sabbath.

I will obey the laws of this country because I love my country and wish to remain a citizen. But I will also abide by God's laws and will not abandon them regardless of what you say I should do. If God chooses to change a law that He has commanded us to follow, and communicates this to me directly or through His prophet, I will obey after receiving my own witness from the Holy Ghost that it is indeed from God.

I couldn't care less if you leave me behind as I do not wish to travel the same path as you are taking on several topics. Feel free to leave me behind and call me weird for choosing such (thus fulfilling scripture).

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#108759 Jul 24, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>"Victim in Waiting"...that would be a great band name.

And you live in a strange world if you think someone is going to rape my cat and you are somehow going to skin your smoke wagon, do a double flip over the "bad guys", and save the day. That's called Hollywood.

I used to live in a rough part of a city. Had several friends and loved ones that were mugged. I was also attacked. None of us needed a gun and I'm thankful none of us had guns or the situations would have been worse.
Wow, I would rather have a gun and ensure this monster would not continue to gather victims.

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