Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,919

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#108635 Jul 22, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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First off, as Quantummist spoke to, "nothing" isn't as clearly defined as it sounds. A singularity may have no volume (nothing), but it's infinitely hot and infinitely dense. Sadly, I don't understand the math (or the physics really) in the details of it. But...
It's a matter of assumptions (at least for me). One position makes a huge assumption (an infinitely powerful, intelligent entity has always existed) vs. a position that strives to make as few assumptions as possible and chooses instead to explain things based on observed (and observable) evidence.
<quoted text>
Why should it be "easy"?
Just to poke the fires....

The Math is useless... All Physical Laws only apply to Matter with inertial mass in motion relative to other Matter with inertial mass in motion... Once you fall to consider the universe around us absent Matter with inertial mass in motion all math fails and is useless... Give you an example... We know Einstein was correct with his answer E=Mc2... We know this through 1000's of tests of it's validity from simple nuclear decay to reactors, accelerators and nuclear explosions ect...

So let's consider a 1" X 1" X 1" cube of matter as the whole of the Universe... There is No other Matter with inertial mass in motion in the universe other than that cube... As Einstein stated we can convert some or all that Matter with inertial mass in motion into energy... So we know it has a Finite amount of mass... But if you convert All of the Matter with inertial mass in motion into energy and attempt to calculate all math fails and give an Infinite energy density which cannot be with a finite mass...

As Einstein said which I agree with 100%...

"The skeptic will say,'It may well be true that this system of equations is reasonable from a logical standpoint, but this does not prove that it corresponds to nature.' You are right, dear skeptic. Experience alone can decide on truth. " - Albert Einstein
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London, KY

#108636 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
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Says I,Most people that get married do so,hoping to raise a family.
In your son's case,he and his wife have opted to have no children.
As you state"There will be no Christians coming out of this family"
From that,one can deduct that they had a concern that,if they had children,they feared that they may have converted into believers,once they realized the error of their parents ways,or,if they remained atheists,they could be afflicted with mental problems,drug and alcohol abuse or suicidial tendencies.
I understand
And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis....
That is more than enough to satisfy their curiosity and explains why many of your children,when they reach adulthood convert into believers.
I understand...
get out of the spinzone and join the real world.
"And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis..."

You are stuck on this and yet you never cite your source. Do you not know how?

Do you have any idea how many people that would say that they are Christian or that they believe in a God do not attend any kind of worship service on a regular weekly basis? If they don't attend, does that mean that they are really unbelievers? Or does it mean that they are Christian in name only or because they were raised in that tradition?

You obviously spent no time looking at the actual numbers in the survey or the updated survey. You are quoting the one done 4 or 5 years ago. We all know you just saw some one else talking about it on some blog and you are trying to parrot what they were saying....cite your source, PLEASE!

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#108637 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Studies show that,sad to say, unbelievers have more mental problems than the general population,they are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol and more likely to commit suicide.
Fortunately,about 25% of unbelievers attend a religious servioce on a regular basis.
Obviously,they are looking for answers that Atheism has not been able to provide them.
As you know,many of your children,raised as atheists, once they reach adulthood,convert to believers...
Why do you think that is?
What is it about Atheism that they find unfullfilling?
You can spin it anyway you want,the facts speak for themselves.
Are you saying that 25 % of Atheists are being zombified,or, are they realizing the error of their ways?
Are those of your children who convert once they reach adulthood
zombified,or,are they realizing that their parents erred?
It could well be that,reading the Scientific studies that confirm the abovementioned problems,they are searching for answers and solutions.
It would appear,even to the untrained eye,that they are seeking
that which we call God..
There are those who may deny it,but,the facts speak for themselves.
Moreover,since God desires that none be lost,if they diligently seek him,he will reveal himself to them.
Typically, you make statements without any references. evidence or data. It seems that you take more than just a cue from the Bible, in that once you have stated a thing, it has become a "Truth".

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#108638 Jul 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>...laws were......man-made tradition.
BRILLIANT! Did you just recently have this serendipitous enlightenment?
Have you read the New Testament? Jesus plainly tells them this

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#108639 Jul 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I'm guessing you have your head hidden under the couch cushion again. I'm sorry. I take it back. Better now?
I'm fine. Your remark just didn't deserve more effort

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#108640 Jul 22, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
You never read the book of Fernando? The parable of the Dancing Queen?
I must have missed that one. Too bad, it might have been more entertaining than all the "begats".

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#108641 Jul 22, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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I don't Believe in Good guys and Bad Guys... I Know from 60 years of personal experience there are Good Guys and Bad Guys... and some that are varying amounts of each.... There are people that would have no better fun than to find you and your family out and about, tie you to a tree while they scoop you child's eye balls out and force feed them to you wife while they rape her with a red hot poke and cut your eye lids off so you have to watch... If you don't thing such bad guys exist, you are living a delusional life....
I carry a side arm where ever I go just in case the day ever comes when folk like you become a victim....
http://youtu.be/23uPQgaJ24Y
Yes, I'm aware that people do terrible things. I was being hyperbolic, pointing out that the language "good guys and bad guys" in conjunction with any discussion of carrying a god-damned loaded gun around in public underscores how dumb it is.

I realize most carriers hide their guns and I won't even know they are around. But when I do spot someone carrying and I know they are not law enforcement I keep my kids the hell away from them. Especially when they talk like it's a 1960s western.

But hey, takes all kinds to make the crazy world go round.

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#108642 Jul 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>So let me follow your logic. If I tell you something that isn't true I'm either a) lying or b) crazy.

Do you not have room in your equation for other options? For example, what if Jesus didn't say anything about magic or being the son of god? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Mark mentioning the whole "son of god" thing. If not, and since it was the earliest text, that means it is likely that the magical stuff was added later, like I said.

That would mean Jesus might have been sane and might have simply said things that were on par with a modern hippie. Loopy, but not fraudulent. And not necessarily crazy.
The entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments speak of Jesus being the Son of God.

You are totally unprepared to have this discussion. Please go read Mark again and tell me there are no mentions of Him claiming to be the Son of God or fantastic miracles.
Then I can indeed call you a liar.

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#108643 Jul 22, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
<quoted text>If LDS members are drafted in the military and called to go to war, are LDS o.k. with killing other LDS members that serve in the enemy countries that we might go to war with?

When LDS members go to war, who are they serving, God or man?
Great question. It is something that disturbs many members of any Christian religion. I personally view this as self defense. As a country, we normally go to war to defend our country (or at least that's what they have us believe), so we are defending our families. I would not take pleasure in taking the life of another individual, but if it were done to save the life of a family member, I would do it.
I don't think that means it is "ok", but I see it as necessary to defend our country.

Different scenarios are numerous, but it all comes down to the unfortunate situation they are placed in. Have you seen "Saints and Soldiers"?

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#108644 Jul 22, 2013
thank god wrote:
Please thank god for everything. It may make ur life better. Tell him your troubles and ur life may get better...
Please thank Thor for everything. It may make your life better..........

You can thank imaginary beings your whole life, but if your life gets better it does not mean that being made it so. Your life getting better depends upon your efforts and the actions of others. Thank them and pat yourself on the back. Give credit to those who actually helped.

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#108645 Jul 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
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The entire Bible, both Old and New Testaments speak of Jesus being the Son of God.
You are totally unprepared to have this discussion. Please go read Mark again and tell me there are no mentions of Him claiming to be the Son of God or fantastic miracles.
Then I can indeed call you a liar.
You are the second person who chose not to read the words "correct me if I'm wrong". So you dismiss my entire point? I was trying to be fair to your boy, Jesus. I was trying to give you some middle ground between liar and nutcase.

The Hebrew Bible never mentions Jesus Christ. Not one time. Ever. Not. Once.

You should go and read it sometime. It's dreadful.

Mark has no real miracles in it, right? Jesus didn't rise from the dead in Mark. Mark was written earliest. Each subsequent gospel adds more elaboration and miracles. By the time you get to John it's a friggin' circus.

That's precisely how legends grow. Do you not find that slightly suspicious? Why doesn't the Bible come right out of the gate from page one with "Jesus, the son of god, who walked on water and rose from the dead, is your lord and savior"?

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#108646 Jul 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>If what the bible claims of Jesus is what Jesus actually said, then yes, he is either crazy or a fraud.
But their is a good chance the bible is not citing correctly what the man called Jesus actually said. You see, it is all hearsay.
Also their is a debate of just what the "son of man" actually meant. Even believers of Jesus being a deity have disputes on its meaning.

People even today claim to be deities. Some even teach some good things, but non of the claims mean they are truth.
A crazy person can be a good person and teach some good things.

For all we know, Jesus could have been lead to believe he was a deity and believed it himself. This does not mean he was crazy in the sense of a medical disorder. It could simply be a sort of brainwashing. Just look at the Dalai Lama's of the past and today for a textbook example of this phenomenon.
How does the Bible show Jesus is a fraud or a liar?

And what makes you think Jesus was delusional?(Lead to believe He was a diety)

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#108647 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
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Do not fret over your son's unbelief. He still has time.
If he fails to realize the error of his ways,we can hope that his chidren will break the curse of unbelief.
BTW your self serving statements make you appear even more foolish.
We know that an unbeliever does not attend a religious service out of curiosity.
It is very likely that the unbeliever is there looking for answers to the BS he /she has been fed by Atheists.
Possibly,the unbeliever has read the studies that have concluded that unbelievers have a higher rate of mental and emotional problems,are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol and more likely to commit suicide.
Knowing that unbelief is the cause of those problems,they are probably looking to save their families from such a fate...
After all,if one really loves their family,you really want the best for them
I have been to church services many times since being atheist. The reasons vary. Many times it is due to family or friends asking me to come with them. I often oblige for politeness.

Interesting how your speculation for our motives is actually also due to a curiosity, and yet you do not even know it.

And why would an atheist fret over our offsprings lack of belief? That had zero logic.

If you consistently make contradictory statements, why would we think you have the correct beliefs?

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#108648 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!
So you cannot articulate a rebuttal?

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#108649 Jul 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Please thank Thor for everything. It may make your life better..........
I do, every Thursday.
But on Wednesdays I thank Odin, for that's Odin's day.
http://tapiture.com/image/frost-giants-odin

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#108650 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>I know what the Bible says!
1 time.... Muslims off heads like you drink water!
Buy a clue!
So you cannot articulate a rebuttal?
I know what the bible demands.....non belief-off with your head!

Thank goodness secular men no longer allow Deuteronomy to be enforced.
Why? Because Deuteronomy demands immoral acts.
Now why would I follow a book that demands immoral acts?
Can you or any Christian here answer this or are you all going to divert and run to the denial cave?

I get that you do not follow Islam due to its immoral demands, but why do you have a double standard for your bible?

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#108651 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Because...
Only ONE God came, and saved me!
You will meet Him soon!
Again you fail to articulate a rebuttal.

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#108652 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>We are like the fish in a pond...
Not knowing the realm just out of the water!
God has not told where He came from, as It says...
He is the beginning, and the end...
You will see Him, ask Him!
The universe has not told us where it came from either, so why insist your beliefs must be true when you cannot show?

“Breaking the spell ”

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#108653 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Who says it's a complete lie???
You, or the People that told you it was a lie???
See... You believe a God haters view!
I Believe in the God that saved me...
See the difference?
If you cannot show your claims about dating the earth, then why should we believe they are a truth?
Am I to believe someone with the motive of proving a god over the overwhelming majority of scientists?
Science is not out to prove god exists or not. You and your propaganda have massive motive to lie. Science gains nothing if it proves god is myth. This it is less likely to have motive.
Religion has everything to lose, and that ten percent of members income tips the list.
This is massive money and it equals massive motive.

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#108654 Jul 22, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Just to poke the fires....
The Math is useless...
Say no more.
\_(&#12484;)_/

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