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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 142406 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108658 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Says I,Most people that get married do so,hoping to raise a family.
In your son's case,he and his wife have opted to have no children.
As you state"There will be no Christians coming out of this family"
From that,one can deduct that they had a concern that,if they had children,they feared that they may have converted into believers,once they realized the error of their parents ways,or,if they remained atheists,they could be afflicted with mental problems,drug and alcohol abuse or suicidial tendencies.
I understand
And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis....
That is more than enough to satisfy their curiosity and explains why many of your children,when they reach adulthood convert into believers.
I understand...
get out of the spinzone and join the real world.
"says I"? What? You were not taking about yourself, you were talking about an atheist.

Again, why should we think you have the correct views when you cannot even keep a debate straight?

Of course a Christian would fear his children would be atheist but why would an atheist fear this? Of course he would not.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#108659 Jul 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you respect the 9/11 hijackers? They followed what they thought their religion demanded of them. They did it with the blind faith that you keep demanding we accept.
So are you respecting their blind faith? Just what is it you respect about them? Do you respect what atheists believe?

You often make absolute statements that clearly fail when put to a simple test. This leads me to think you have poor logic tests. Thus I have no reason to respect your demand of belief.
I just don't go in to a lot of detail on here quite frequently, I admit. I don't take the time.
Let me clarify here. Yes I respect those people's right to believe what they wish. What I cannot respect is actions that some of these take, that take innocent lives.
The right to believe as others wish, I respect. Actions that kill innocent people, I do not respect.

I have never asked you to accept blind faith.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108660 Jul 22, 2013
Why atheist scientists bring their children to church
December 13, 2012 By Nicholas Didonato
Nicholas C. DiDonato
The formula seems simple: parents pass down what they believe to their children. Atheist parents don’t believe in God or go to church, therefore…. Yet, a surprisingly large number of atheist scientists from elite universities raise their children in a religious community such as a church. Sociologists Elaine Ecklund (Rice University) and Kristen Lee (University of Buffalo, SUNY) found that these atheist scientists do so because they want to give their children religious choice, have a religious spouse, or think that religious communities will give their children moral bearings and community.
Unfortunately, very little research has been done concerning how atheists (and agnostics) treat religion when raising their children. Consequently, the researchers used data ready at hand—Ecklund’s Religion among Academic Scientists study (RAAS). This study surveyed over 2,000 randomly-selected scientists from the top universities in the United States. It then followed up the survey with over 500 personal interviews (also randomly selected). While the main intent of the survey had nothing to do raising children, it still collected that data and enables, arguably for the first time, an in-depth look at how atheists negotiate religion for the sake of their children. For example, interview questions included:“In what ways was religion a part of your life as a child? How was religion talked about in your family setting? If you have a family now, are there ways in which religion/spirituality come up, if they do at all? What religious or spiritual beliefs do you hold? For example, to what extent is believing in God or a god important to you?”
The researchers found that agnostics attend religious services (e.g., church) at about the same rate regardless of whether they have any children. By contrast, the attendance rate of atheists with children jumps 70% compared to those without. Children constitute a statistically significant factor in atheists attending religious services and joining religious communities. It should be noted that the atheists and agnostics in this study are all top-tier scientists, so these findings may not hold for atheists in general.
Looked at another way, contrary to popular expectation, atheist scientists show a proclivity to join a religious community when raising children. Unlike many atheists who feel isolated in a region of heavy religiosity, scientists have ready access to a community of fellow, morally minded atheists, and yet choose to raise their children in a religious community. Several reasons account for this.
First, scientists feel that having a scientific mindset means being able to make choices for oneself. Even if the scientist parent does not believe in God, this does not mean that the parent should impose that decision on his or her children—the children should think for themselves. Many scientists interviewed explicitly stated that they did not want to indoctrinate their children into atheism and so exposed their children to a diversity of religious communities.
Second – the most dominant reason – many of the scientists had a religious spouse who had a strong influence on how to raise their children. While this naturally required some negotiation, most of the scientists came from religious upbringings themselves and did not oppose a religious upbringing for their children.
In many circumstances they favored a religious upbringing because, third, they believed it would provide children with moral orientation. One scientist, who does not have children, said he would raise his children in the Catholic Church because he was raised Catholic and believes Catholicism teaches children important values.
Finally, atheist scientists raise their children in a religious setting because of the community it provides. Religious communities have a strong moral outlook and allow for intimate relationships.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108661 Jul 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you read the New Testament? Jesus plainly tells them this
Jesus didn't write a single word of the New Testament.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108662 Jul 22, 2013
treebeard wrote:
<quoted text>
It's absolutely frightening to be reminded of the person I once was. I am glad at least that once I became a mother and was responsible for someone else, I was able to recognize it as a harmful teaching. That baby boy saved my life in more ways than one.
Sometimes, I feel I could have been pretty smart cat had my youth been filled with knowledge rather than .....
Welcome back from the brink of madness.
I know of a guy who found Jesus when he was reunited with his dog.
http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/afil...

Now he spends his time buttressing his delusions by misinterpreting polls and being played like a piano by apologist sites and fundamentalist blogs. It's tragic to watch.
act your age

AOL

#108663 Jul 22, 2013
the entire nation is going the way of Detroit ,....

OK
keep backing obama and the democrats !

lets watch America fall !

it will be quite a show !

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108664 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Says I,Most people that get married do so,hoping to raise a family.
In your son's case,he and his wife have opted to have no children.
As you state"There will be no Christians coming out of this family"
"There will be no Christians coming out of this family" = FACT.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> From that,one can deduct that they had a concern that,if they had children,they feared that they may have converted into believers,once they realized the error of their parents ways,or,if they remained atheists,they could be afflicted with mental problems,drug and alcohol abuse or suicidial tendencies.
You call that "deducting?" LOL! You are serious, aren't you? Really?
LOLOL!
They didn't have kids because they didn't want to raise kids. Not everyone does, you know. Or maybe you don't know... There is a lot you don't know.
It shows every time you post.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> I understand
In a pig's eye you do.... LOL!
curious wrote:
<quoted text> And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis....
That is more than enough to satisfy their curiosity and explains why many of your children,when they reach adulthood convert into believers.
I understand...
get out of the spinzone and join the real world.
You understand nothing.
I KNOW quite a few atheists.
I KNOW a lot of pagans.
I know for a FACT that 25% of their kids are NOT going to church regularly.

You read about some survey you would love to believe is true but for which you have no actual proof.
Imagine that, a Christian claiming to know something for which they have no proof...AGAIN.

And you think *I* am the one who should join the "real world?"
LOL! You are a hoot.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108665 Jul 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Welcome back from the brink of madness.
I know of a guy who found Jesus when he was reunited with his dog.
http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/afil...
Now he spends his time buttressing his delusions by misinterpreting polls and being played like a piano by apologist sites and fundamentalist blogs. It's tragic to watch.
Which do you think is more noble and worthy of praise?
The love of God and Christ.Using a lost pet to put an unbeliever on the road to repentance
Or,
The actions of those unbeliecers who live according to their human nature.
Knowing full well the destructive ramifications of unbelief,they continue to weave their deceptive web.
The fact that unbelievers have the highest suicidial rates,mental problems and are more likely to become drug and alcohol abusers.
These unbelievers continue preaching their religion of Unbelief,feeling no guilt about the destruction they are wreaking on weak and unsuspecting minds and to their own families
And,when these problems surface,it is not the Atheists who provide support...
Generally speaking,the support comes from a Christian organization...
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108666 Jul 22, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
"There will be no Christians coming out of this family" = FACT.
<quoted text>
You call that "deducting?" LOL! You are serious, aren't you? Really?
LOLOL!
They didn't have kids because they didn't want to raise kids. Not everyone does, you know. Or maybe you don't know... There is a lot you don't know.
It shows every time you post.
<quoted text>
In a pig's eye you do.... LOL!
<quoted text>
You understand nothing.
I KNOW quite a few atheists.
I KNOW a lot of pagans.
I know for a FACT that 25% of their kids are NOT going to church regularly.
You read about some survey you would love to believe is true but for which you have no actual proof.
Imagine that, a Christian claiming to know something for which they have no proof...AGAIN.
And you think *I* am the one who should join the "real world?"
LOL! You are a hoot.
The value of what you know is not sufficient to buy one an empty glass of cider and the whole from a donut during Halloween.
In other words,you know a lot about nothing....As is evidenced by the nonsense and gibberish you post under all your different monikers....

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#108667 Jul 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Great question. It is something that disturbs many members of any Christian religion. I personally view this as self defense. As a country, we normally go to war to defend our country (or at least that's what they have us believe), so we are defending our families. I would not take pleasure in taking the life of another individual, but if it were done to save the life of a family member, I would do it.
I don't think that means it is "ok", but I see it as necessary to defend our country.
Different scenarios are numerous, but it all comes down to the unfortunate situation they are placed in. Have you seen "Saints and Soldiers"?
I found a link about the question I ask you that shows the LDS places the blame the killing of LDS on other LDS on the president of that country and you are not held blameless. The writer of the article sees things differently than the LDS leadership.

Religious ones seem to worship a God of war, I do see similarities between pagan worship and war also. Those who go into combat will walk with the devil.

That said, I agree with defending out country also. No I have not seen "Saints and Soldiers" and would like to watch it sometime.

----------
Should A Mormon Join The Military?
An Insidious Doctrine

Ask most latter-day saints about reconciling war with the commandment “Thou shalt not kill”, and you’ll nearly always hear that war is an exception to that rule. They'll tell you that God doesn’t hold the soldier accountable for any killing done in battle. When a Mormon kills during wartime it doesn’t count against him. He gets a pass. Responsibility for any killing transfers to the politicians who sent him into war.

The problem with this widely held “doctrine” is that it’s a false one. It is not supported anywhere in the scriptures. In fact, the reverse holds true.

As legions of those returning soldiers unable to live with themselves will tell you, God will hold you personally accountable for every last person you killed regardless of whether or not you were wearing a government issued uniform at the time.

http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2009/11/sho...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108668 Jul 22, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I'm aware that people do terrible things. I was being hyperbolic, pointing out that the language "good guys and bad guys" in conjunction with any discussion of carrying a god-damned loaded gun around in public underscores how dumb it is.
I realize most carriers hide their guns and I won't even know they are around. But when I do spot someone carrying and I know they are not law enforcement I keep my kids the hell away from them. Especially when they talk like it's a 1960s western.
But hey, takes all kinds to make the crazy world go round.
I always love it when a Victim in Waiting is so scared by the numbers of bad guys they shun the protection of good guys, until after they are no longer in waiting and then blame the Good Guys because the Bad Guys kills their family and rapes their cat....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108670 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Which do you think is more noble and worthy of praise?
The love of God and Christ.Using a lost pet to put an unbeliever on the road to repentance
Or,
The actions of those unbeliecers who live according to their human nature.
Knowing full well the destructive ramifications of unbelief,they continue to weave their deceptive web.
The fact that unbelievers have the highest suicidial rates,mental problems and are more likely to become drug and alcohol abusers.
These unbelievers continue preaching their religion of Unbelief,feeling no guilt about the destruction they are wreaking on weak and unsuspecting minds and to their own families
And,when these problems surface,it is not the Atheists who provide support...
Generally speaking,the support comes from a Christian organization...
Actually, I have no problem with a belief in God or practicing spiritual principles. The thing that gets under my skin is when people choose to be dishonest with themselves and others regarding the fallibility and accuracy of "their" Holy tome(s) and expose a complete personal disregard of the virtuous lessons that it/they might contain.
Mind your 9th commandment.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108671 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>

Generally speaking,the support comes from a Christian organization...
You want to aggrandize what you want to believe, so you advance faulty assumptions about atheist hobgoblins and you attribute to Christendom that which belongs to a strong and supportive personal social network. Mind your 9th commandment.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108672 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
The value of what you know is not sufficient to buy one an empty glass of cider and the whole from a donut during Halloween.
At least I know how the differece between "whole" and "hole."
curious wrote:
<quoted text> In other words,you know a lot about nothing....As is evidenced by the nonsense and gibberish you post under all your different monikers....
Try not to appear any more foolish than you usually do.
I post only as aWitchintheWoods.

It bothers you to think there are so many educated, intelligent, well-spoken atheists. You would rather pretend we are all posting under multiple names. But you are wrong, as usual.
Anyone with half a brain would notice the distinct personalities represented.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108676 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Says I,Most people that get married do so,hoping to raise a family.
In your son's case,he and his wife have opted to have no children.
As you state"There will be no Christians coming out of this family"
From that,one can deduct that they had a concern that,if they had children,they feared that they may have converted into believers,once they realized the error of their parents ways,or,if they remained atheists,they could be afflicted with mental problems,drug and alcohol abuse or suicidial tendencies.
I understand
And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis....
That is more than enough to satisfy their curiosity and explains why many of your children,when they reach adulthood convert into believers.
I understand...
get out of the spinzone and join the real world.
I think you have the stat wrong. I heard only 25% of believers attend church on a weekly basis. Are you wanting us to believe atheists attend church as much as believers?

"Spin zone"? Someone needs to lay off the O Reilly factor.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108677 Jul 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you read the New Testament? Jesus plainly tells them this
All laws are of man made traditions. Just look at the difference between the old and New Testament. The old traditions/laws needed an update and Jesus was that avenue to the changes.
Now is time for more updates. And I do not mean Joe Smith has the correct path to new traditions or laws. If he did, your church would never have made such massive mistakes as discriminating like it has done and is still doing.
Our traditions are moving past the era of Smiths days ( 1840). Our laws have moved along. Now catch up or be left behind.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108680 Jul 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
I always love it when a Victim in Waiting is so scared by the numbers of bad guys they shun the protection of good guys, until after they are no longer in waiting and then blame the Good Guys because the Bad Guys kills their family and rapes their cat....
"Victim in Waiting"...that would be a great band name.

And you live in a strange world if you think someone is going to rape my cat and you are somehow going to skin your smoke wagon, do a double flip over the "bad guys", and save the day. That's called Hollywood.

I used to live in a rough part of a city. Had several friends and loved ones that were mugged. I was also attacked. None of us needed a gun and I'm thankful none of us had guns or the situations would have been worse.

“I was born a poor, black child”

Since: Jan 07

that weren't no easy thing

#108683 Jul 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
"Victim in Waiting"...that would be a great band name.
And you live in a strange world if you think someone is going to rape my cat and you are somehow going to skin your smoke wagon, do a double flip over the "bad guys", and save the day. That's called Hollywood.
I used to live in a rough part of a city. Had several friends and loved ones that were mugged. I was also attacked. None of us needed a gun and I'm thankful none of us had guns or the situations would have been worse.
You may have answered this in the past (pardon me, I'm half asleep), but I would like to know your stance a little further, if you would indulge me. You seem to feel people shouldn't pack guns. Do you think the same thing about a woman? Do you feel sprays, stuns, and whistles are sufficient for a female, or do you feel a female should be trained to defend herself (and often her children as well) empty handed?

“I was born a poor, black child”

Since: Jan 07

that weren't no easy thing

#108685 Jul 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Which do you think is more noble and worthy of praise?
The love of God and Christ.Using a lost pet to put an unbeliever on the road to repentance
Or,
The actions of those unbeliecers who live according to their human nature.
Knowing full well the destructive ramifications of unbelief,they continue to weave their deceptive web.
The fact that unbelievers have the highest suicidial rates,mental problems and are more likely to become drug and alcohol abusers.
These unbelievers continue preaching their religion of Unbelief,feeling no guilt about the destruction they are wreaking on weak and unsuspecting minds and to their own families
And,when these problems surface,it is not the Atheists who provide support...
Generally speaking,the support comes from a Christian organization...
In a discussion about believers and nonbelievers, the term "knowing full well" should never come into play.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108686 Jul 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
You want to aggrandize what you want to believe, so you advance faulty assumptions about atheist hobgoblins and you attribute to Christendom that which belongs to a strong and supportive personal social network. Mind your 9th commandment.
It has been established that Unbelievers have a higher suicide rate than any other group.
They also are more likely to abuse drugs,alcihol and be afflicted by other mental problems.
Those are facts based on scientific studies. Those are not faulty assumptions.

Are there any Atheist Social Agencies they can turn to for help?
If they have a problem,they can call AA,Catholic Charities or any Christian Church or social agency.
They will either provide the necessary help and if not qualified to do so, will point you in the right direction.
It is not a question of aggrandizement,it is a fact,as you well know.
Needless to say,Atheists will attempt to dismiss these studies as irrelevant or based on faulty assumptions....
The evidence points otherwise.

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