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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 156440 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#108712 Jul 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Mays's Axiom's
1) There are no infinities... are but illusion that occurs when mathematical constructs fail due to scale...
2) There are no paradox's ... Are but a mental construct in the absence of all known rules....
3) All observed constants in nature are variable... but on such scales as to be undetectable as varing from the limited scale of observation of the observer...
4) Man knows far less than he knows he knows....
5) Physical Laws apply whether or not man has symbolically defined it.....
a) Mathematical symbolism is not the event its describes...
b) All physical aspects will occur in the universe whether we recognize it or model it... or even if we cease to exist...
6) Vines will not grow out your butt if you swallow water melon seeds...
Paul R. Mays
Who is Paul R. Mays?

I always thought the speed of light in a vacuum was an unquestionable constant. Is it not?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108713 Jul 23, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
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Science books are good (in my opinion)..actually there seems to be NOT enough of them these days.
I see harmless beliefs as harmless, I see extreme intolerance and/or terrorist type psychoticness as dangerous.
9/11 was an example of extreme intolerance of others beliefs, in combination with the psychoticness of psychoTIC evil beings, wishing to force their own beliefs upon others in very evil, dark age, nutcase ways.
Never to forget that.
Not all believers are haters, and not all haters are believers.
Not that difficult to understand, for rational, sane, logical thinking people anyway.
So is pushing for an agenda of less science books in the science classroom harmless in your opinion? I do not see it as harmless.
Now are you going to address this point or are you going to keep diverting to only addressing the extremes? The extremes I pointed out were only given to show definitively how religion can lead to bad.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#108714 Jul 23, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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"Victim in Waiting"...that would be a great band name.
And you live in a strange world if you think someone is going to rape my cat and you are somehow going to skin your smoke wagon, do a double flip over the "bad guys", and save the day. That's called Hollywood.
I used to live in a rough part of a city. Had several friends and loved ones that were mugged. I was also attacked. None of us needed a gun and I'm thankful none of us had guns or the situations would have been worse.
http://youtu.be/zTP7CLRE2ho

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108715 Jul 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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But why do the majority of believer posters hate on others >SO MUCH<? They don't just hate on atheists, they hate on Catholics,'evolutionists', Democrats, astrophysics, agnostics,- on things like the Higgs boson, and wikipedia. They even hate on honesty and compassion. Is that rational, sane, logical or thinking?
Evidently provenscience thinks harm can only mean murder.
He shows consistent double standards as shown here by condemning atheists for debating believers but refuses to address how the believers debate atheists.

Double standards are evidence of the denial needed to keep some faith.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#108716 Jul 23, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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Who is Paul R. Mays?
I always thought the speed of light in a vacuum was an unquestionable constant. Is it not?
1) A independent thinker of all thinks thinkable...

2) Depends on Who you ask... To Humans on our scale of observation of the universe the value of c is constant within our limited existence... But there are competing theories that see c as a variable that is set by the separation distance of physical matter... So the Base value of c is set by the total separation distance of all matter in the universe and varies as the universe expands such a rate of change would be so small as to be below calculable error rates on human scales.. Same could be said of the Local Group and our own Galaxy as local deviation due to local density of matter with inertial mass can be in collapse while the Universe can be in expansion but on human scales any variation would be over millions of years and would measure in any method of measure as constant...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#108718 Jul 23, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is Paul R. Mays?
I always thought the speed of light in a vacuum was an unquestionable constant. Is it not?
By the way, just to clarify, in Real Science there is no such thing as "unquestionable" as much as the Gia Religion wishes it so, There Ain't.... The Instant a so called "Scientist" claims absolutes and consensus fall back and be "Skeptical" and give more weight to opposing than supporting views....

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108719 Jul 23, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Anyone with half a brain would notice the distinct personalities represented.
Would a delusional person?

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108720 Jul 23, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
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No I have not seen "Saints and Soldiers" and would like to watch it sometime.
Free on hulu. A christian dies and an atheist keeps his bible. Waste of time, christian propaganda, no historical value. It does have a moment that "curious" would like. The atheist "makes a comment" about the christians religion. The christian says, for one with no faith you ask a lot of questions about religion.

Atheists ask questions.
So god exists.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#108721 Jul 23, 2013
Why do atheists go to church? Free laughs.

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#108723 Jul 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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By the way, just to clarify, in Real Science there is no such thing as "unquestionable" as much as the Gia Religion wishes it so, There Ain't.... The Instant a so called "Scientist" claims absolutes and consensus fall back and be "Skeptical" and give more weight to opposing than supporting views....
Damn, I fell into your "real science doesn't bow to consensus" trap.

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#108724 Jul 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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1) A independent thinker of all thinks thinkable...
2) Depends on Who you ask... To Humans on our scale of observation of the universe the value of c is constant within our limited existence... But there are competing theories that see c as a variable that is set by the separation distance of physical matter... So the Base value of c is set by the total separation distance of all matter in the universe and varies as the universe expands such a rate of change would be so small as to be below calculable error rates on human scales.. Same could be said of the Local Group and our own Galaxy as local deviation due to local density of matter with inertial mass can be in collapse while the Universe can be in expansion but on human scales any variation would be over millions of years and would measure in any method of measure as constant...
OK. I'm definitely not swimming in my lane here, but are you suggesting that the value of c is affected by, what? Quantum Entanglement? Or some as-of-yet immeasurable property of gravity?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Mount Vernon, KY

#108725 Jul 23, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
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OK. I'm definitely not swimming in my lane here, but are you suggesting that the value of c is affected by, what? Quantum Entanglement? Or some as-of-yet immeasurable property of gravity?
Gravity is an Effect... the set point of the speed of light is an effect.... All Caused by the Quanta of Energy physical matter was converted out of at the Big bang... I call it the Quantum State, Einstein called it Space/Time and Maxwell called it the Ether.... It acts as an Inverse Tensor between all real physical particles with inertial mass no matter the separation distance... All Particles are directly connected from the farthermost particles to those within a single group of em producing particles such as a helium atom.

You as a Being made of Matter cannot ever directly observe the Quantum State, Space/Time, Ether because you are inside it, a direct part of it connected by it to each and every particle in the Universe you attempt to observe causing you and all observers to have an Intrinsic Bias... We can Measure, Model, observe the Effects of the Quantum State on Matter but can Never model the Quantum State absent Matter as all mathematical models Only deal with Matter with Inertial Mass in motion relative to other Matter with Inertial Mass in motion.... When we attempt to model it all out math falls to Infinity, paradox... Both of which I contend do not exist within the universe....

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#108727 Jul 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Gravity is an Effect... the set point of the speed of light is an effect.... All Caused by the Quanta of Energy physical matter was converted out of at the Big bang... I call it the Quantum State, Einstein called it Space/Time and Maxwell called it the Ether.... It acts as an Inverse Tensor between all real physical particles with inertial mass no matter the separation distance... All Particles are directly connected from the farthermost particles to those within a single group of em producing particles such as a helium atom.
You as a Being made of Matter cannot ever directly observe the Quantum State, Space/Time, Ether because you are inside it, a direct part of it connected by it to each and every particle in the Universe you attempt to observe causing you and all observers to have an Intrinsic Bias... We can Measure, Model, observe the Effects of the Quantum State on Matter but can Never model the Quantum State absent Matter as all mathematical models Only deal with Matter with Inertial Mass in motion relative to other Matter with Inertial Mass in motion.... When we attempt to model it all out math falls to Infinity, paradox... Both of which I contend do not exist within the universe....
Interesting. I'm not sure I follow it because it sounds like quantum entanglement or non-locality to me (I don't understand the distinction between those either). But, interesting.
ProvenScience

Manchester, KY

#108728 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So out of that whole list, you could only find one thing to comment on? You commented on something that really does not address the question or point.
You made an earlier comment on atheists hating on believers, but you have yet to comment on how believers hate upon others.
Now keep in that denial cave.
ChromiuMan wrote:
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But why do the majority of believer posters hate on others >SO MUCH<? They don't just hate on atheists, they hate on Catholics,'evolutionists', Democrats, astrophysics, agnostics,- on things like the Higgs boson, and wikipedia. They even hate on honesty and compassion. Is that rational, sane, logical or thinking?
I answered ALL the questions, I just elaborated on one of them.
Was the four word answer too simple?

“Tend to Offend”

Since: Jul 13

SHADY ACRES

#108729 Jul 23, 2013
simply pull off the strip..and stick anywhere!

Got tough bathroom stains? KABOOM cuts through all kind's of mildew and grime.

And i lost 40 pounds on Neutralism system........ and we now have the Queen talking about the future of the new Baby.

-do you have the royal baby fever?
SistaNoneyabiz

Manchester, KY

#108730 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So because you feel you follow most rules, this is some sort of excuse to not follow the one in question?
Just admit you are wrong like an honorable human would do and stop demonizing the accuser for deflection.
I do not think you are an evil person just because you cannot follow this one rule of society. But the accusation was never meant to accuse you of an evil. I am simply pointing out how your behavior makes it hard for us to follow a line of the argument. This is why the rule is what it is.
Good, because this is just aNother duhm top-icks thread, irrelevent to anything except for it's pathetic existence on the gutter dump end of the internets sewage system. Not much right about any of it actually, so that isn't really any sort of realistic accusation there either, unless you're a blinkered type of bloke....mired in ignorance of a viewing the world as a simplisTIC one of mere black/white, right/left, stop/go...you know, clueless as to the REST of the realms of reality.

So, keeping it simple for the simple minded then--How about trying to figure out what the newest member of the Church of England's name will be?!

(Something that is actually refreshing to hear of!)

Guiness? Try not to throw your elbow out raising the cheers!
SistaNoneyabiz

Manchester, KY

#108731 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Are you agreeing with me? I have no idea what your riddles mean and I really do not care to try and figure it out.
Your mind if far different than mine, so your analogies do not seem to fit in my opinion.
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>You mean differing religions are only natural? I agree. It is as if no real god is actually a part of any of this.
"Yup".
(doesn't get much simpler than that huh?)

Since: Feb 12

Rancho Cordova, CA

#108732 Jul 23, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
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Free on hulu. A christian dies and an atheist keeps his bible. Waste of time, christian propaganda, no historical value. It does have a moment that "curious" would like. The atheist "makes a comment" about the christians religion. The christian says, for one with no faith you ask a lot of questions about religion.
Atheists ask questions.
So god exists.
Full Metal Jacket, Platoon and Battlestar Glactica are some of my favorites. All that cussing, killing,drinking and fornication with the locals. It's the politicians fault for sending us, we are forgiven.
ProvenScience

Manchester, KY

#108733 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So is pushing for an agenda of less science books in the science classroom harmless in your opinion? I do not see it as harmless.
Now are you going to address this point or are you going to keep diverting to only addressing the extremes? The extremes I pointed out were only given to show definitively how religion can lead to bad.
Umm otay ...this is one of those see the twisted distortion for duhmmies practice paragraphs right?

Just leave the Science books alone--there's NOT enough of them!!
ProvenScience

Manchester, KY

#108734 Jul 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Evidently provenscience thinks harm can only mean murder.
He shows consistent double standards as shown here by condemning atheists for debating believers but refuses to address how the believers debate atheists.
Double standards are evidence of the denial needed to keep some faith.
Now you've crossed the line and confused yourself.

Keep it simple, you think ad speak for YOURSELF and I can and will do the same.

Just because some atheists are haters, doesn't mean all of them are, and just because some believers debate atheists doesn't mean all believers believe in it.
And just because something might seem a double standard to You personally, does not mean it is to others, and actually I would think that anyone else's faith would have nothing to do with your, or my (for that matter) perspective of standards, or double standards, at all.

Unless...are you some sort of roboTic pwetend-to-be-a-clone, or something freaky like that?

(pshew...ewe...)

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