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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 149837 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108647 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
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Do not fret over your son's unbelief. He still has time.
If he fails to realize the error of his ways,we can hope that his chidren will break the curse of unbelief.
BTW your self serving statements make you appear even more foolish.
We know that an unbeliever does not attend a religious service out of curiosity.
It is very likely that the unbeliever is there looking for answers to the BS he /she has been fed by Atheists.
Possibly,the unbeliever has read the studies that have concluded that unbelievers have a higher rate of mental and emotional problems,are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol and more likely to commit suicide.
Knowing that unbelief is the cause of those problems,they are probably looking to save their families from such a fate...
After all,if one really loves their family,you really want the best for them
I have been to church services many times since being atheist. The reasons vary. Many times it is due to family or friends asking me to come with them. I often oblige for politeness.

Interesting how your speculation for our motives is actually also due to a curiosity, and yet you do not even know it.

And why would an atheist fret over our offsprings lack of belief? That had zero logic.

If you consistently make contradictory statements, why would we think you have the correct beliefs?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108648 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!
So you cannot articulate a rebuttal?

Since: Aug 10

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#108649 Jul 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Please thank Thor for everything. It may make your life better..........
I do, every Thursday.
But on Wednesdays I thank Odin, for that's Odin's day.
http://tapiture.com/image/frost-giants-odin

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108650 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>I know what the Bible says!
1 time.... Muslims off heads like you drink water!
Buy a clue!
So you cannot articulate a rebuttal?
I know what the bible demands.....non belief-off with your head!

Thank goodness secular men no longer allow Deuteronomy to be enforced.
Why? Because Deuteronomy demands immoral acts.
Now why would I follow a book that demands immoral acts?
Can you or any Christian here answer this or are you all going to divert and run to the denial cave?

I get that you do not follow Islam due to its immoral demands, but why do you have a double standard for your bible?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108651 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Because...
Only ONE God came, and saved me!
You will meet Him soon!
Again you fail to articulate a rebuttal.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108652 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>We are like the fish in a pond...
Not knowing the realm just out of the water!
God has not told where He came from, as It says...
He is the beginning, and the end...
You will see Him, ask Him!
The universe has not told us where it came from either, so why insist your beliefs must be true when you cannot show?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108653 Jul 22, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>Who says it's a complete lie???
You, or the People that told you it was a lie???
See... You believe a God haters view!
I Believe in the God that saved me...
See the difference?
If you cannot show your claims about dating the earth, then why should we believe they are a truth?
Am I to believe someone with the motive of proving a god over the overwhelming majority of scientists?
Science is not out to prove god exists or not. You and your propaganda have massive motive to lie. Science gains nothing if it proves god is myth. This it is less likely to have motive.
Religion has everything to lose, and that ten percent of members income tips the list.
This is massive money and it equals massive motive.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#108654 Jul 22, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to poke the fires....
The Math is useless...
Say no more.
¯\_(&#12484;)_/¯

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108655 Jul 22, 2013
CivilLawandEthics wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the subject matter.
Why do idiots answer rational questions with stupid questions--because it is too difficult for them to actually have to think, and form rational answers to rational questions?
Made ya actually think huh.
GOOD, y'all should actually have to do that from time to time.
All this made me think is, you have no good rational reason to use different names.
Where the name is to be put on topix is to identify the poster, not the topic.
You refuse to use the common rules of society yet expect to be taken as a rational person?
Refusing to use a consistent name only makes me ignore your actual points.
Why? Because I cannot follow a line of posts from you if you are not using a consistent name.
You see, society has a valid reason to use consistent names for people. You evidently this society is all wrong about this concept.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108656 Jul 22, 2013
CivilLawandEthics wrote:
<quoted text>
That's all rational, until anyone inserts the reality of that "free will" stuff...hense IRRATIONALITY.
(so ummm seems like mankind over milleniums hasn't always follered just one pattern of thought now doesn't it. WHOA! Imagine that. Who'd've thought it!
Geez.
You mean differing religions are only natural? I agree. It is as if no real god is actually a part of any of this.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108657 Jul 22, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
The most ethical people I know are just that-ethical, with some morals and integrity enough to walk the walk (not just fake and phony speak of them) as well, and are tolerant of OTHERS and their DIFFERENT beliefs (providing they are not harming others) in a world full of imperfections-those that can exist in better ways, with out having to go around HATING on ANYthing (INcluding BOOKS that others might like to read-and that others read FAR differently) as well--as in NO labelDUHMlabel required-just PEOPLE as they are...not as they merely WISH (UNrealistically) people were.
And those that can accept sincere apologies-are truly the blessed ones...because HATRED is TOXIC.
You don't seem to realize who this rebuttal was about (yes and amen). YAA is the typical hater of atheists. He hates most science books and wants them out of schools. Now I see this as harmful. Maybe you do not, but that is your business.
You consistently see religion as harmless. Did you forget about 9/11 already?
We demonstrate on a daily basis our problems with religion yet your short term memory seems not to keep these grievances in mind.
It is not the belief we hate, we hate the negative actions of believers due to the beliefs.
Now can you comprehend this concept?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108658 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Says I,Most people that get married do so,hoping to raise a family.
In your son's case,he and his wife have opted to have no children.
As you state"There will be no Christians coming out of this family"
From that,one can deduct that they had a concern that,if they had children,they feared that they may have converted into believers,once they realized the error of their parents ways,or,if they remained atheists,they could be afflicted with mental problems,drug and alcohol abuse or suicidial tendencies.
I understand
And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis....
That is more than enough to satisfy their curiosity and explains why many of your children,when they reach adulthood convert into believers.
I understand...
get out of the spinzone and join the real world.
"says I"? What? You were not taking about yourself, you were talking about an atheist.

Again, why should we think you have the correct views when you cannot even keep a debate straight?

Of course a Christian would fear his children would be atheist but why would an atheist fear this? Of course he would not.

Since: Aug 10

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#108659 Jul 22, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you respect the 9/11 hijackers? They followed what they thought their religion demanded of them. They did it with the blind faith that you keep demanding we accept.
So are you respecting their blind faith? Just what is it you respect about them? Do you respect what atheists believe?

You often make absolute statements that clearly fail when put to a simple test. This leads me to think you have poor logic tests. Thus I have no reason to respect your demand of belief.
I just don't go in to a lot of detail on here quite frequently, I admit. I don't take the time.
Let me clarify here. Yes I respect those people's right to believe what they wish. What I cannot respect is actions that some of these take, that take innocent lives.
The right to believe as others wish, I respect. Actions that kill innocent people, I do not respect.

I have never asked you to accept blind faith.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108660 Jul 22, 2013
Why atheist scientists bring their children to church
December 13, 2012 By Nicholas Didonato
Nicholas C. DiDonato
The formula seems simple: parents pass down what they believe to their children. Atheist parents don’t believe in God or go to church, therefore…. Yet, a surprisingly large number of atheist scientists from elite universities raise their children in a religious community such as a church. Sociologists Elaine Ecklund (Rice University) and Kristen Lee (University of Buffalo, SUNY) found that these atheist scientists do so because they want to give their children religious choice, have a religious spouse, or think that religious communities will give their children moral bearings and community.
Unfortunately, very little research has been done concerning how atheists (and agnostics) treat religion when raising their children. Consequently, the researchers used data ready at hand—Ecklund’s Religion among Academic Scientists study (RAAS). This study surveyed over 2,000 randomly-selected scientists from the top universities in the United States. It then followed up the survey with over 500 personal interviews (also randomly selected). While the main intent of the survey had nothing to do raising children, it still collected that data and enables, arguably for the first time, an in-depth look at how atheists negotiate religion for the sake of their children. For example, interview questions included:“In what ways was religion a part of your life as a child? How was religion talked about in your family setting? If you have a family now, are there ways in which religion/spirituality come up, if they do at all? What religious or spiritual beliefs do you hold? For example, to what extent is believing in God or a god important to you?”
The researchers found that agnostics attend religious services (e.g., church) at about the same rate regardless of whether they have any children. By contrast, the attendance rate of atheists with children jumps 70% compared to those without. Children constitute a statistically significant factor in atheists attending religious services and joining religious communities. It should be noted that the atheists and agnostics in this study are all top-tier scientists, so these findings may not hold for atheists in general.
Looked at another way, contrary to popular expectation, atheist scientists show a proclivity to join a religious community when raising children. Unlike many atheists who feel isolated in a region of heavy religiosity, scientists have ready access to a community of fellow, morally minded atheists, and yet choose to raise their children in a religious community. Several reasons account for this.
First, scientists feel that having a scientific mindset means being able to make choices for oneself. Even if the scientist parent does not believe in God, this does not mean that the parent should impose that decision on his or her children—the children should think for themselves. Many scientists interviewed explicitly stated that they did not want to indoctrinate their children into atheism and so exposed their children to a diversity of religious communities.
Second – the most dominant reason – many of the scientists had a religious spouse who had a strong influence on how to raise their children. While this naturally required some negotiation, most of the scientists came from religious upbringings themselves and did not oppose a religious upbringing for their children.
In many circumstances they favored a religious upbringing because, third, they believed it would provide children with moral orientation. One scientist, who does not have children, said he would raise his children in the Catholic Church because he was raised Catholic and believes Catholicism teaches children important values.
Finally, atheist scientists raise their children in a religious setting because of the community it provides. Religious communities have a strong moral outlook and allow for intimate relationships.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108661 Jul 22, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you read the New Testament? Jesus plainly tells them this
Jesus didn't write a single word of the New Testament.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108662 Jul 22, 2013
treebeard wrote:
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It's absolutely frightening to be reminded of the person I once was. I am glad at least that once I became a mother and was responsible for someone else, I was able to recognize it as a harmful teaching. That baby boy saved my life in more ways than one.
Sometimes, I feel I could have been pretty smart cat had my youth been filled with knowledge rather than .....
Welcome back from the brink of madness.
I know of a guy who found Jesus when he was reunited with his dog.
http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/afil...

Now he spends his time buttressing his delusions by misinterpreting polls and being played like a piano by apologist sites and fundamentalist blogs. It's tragic to watch.
act your age

AOL

#108663 Jul 22, 2013
the entire nation is going the way of Detroit ,....

OK
keep backing obama and the democrats !

lets watch America fall !

it will be quite a show !

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108664 Jul 22, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Says I,Most people that get married do so,hoping to raise a family.
In your son's case,he and his wife have opted to have no children.
As you state"There will be no Christians coming out of this family"
"There will be no Christians coming out of this family" = FACT.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> From that,one can deduct that they had a concern that,if they had children,they feared that they may have converted into believers,once they realized the error of their parents ways,or,if they remained atheists,they could be afflicted with mental problems,drug and alcohol abuse or suicidial tendencies.
You call that "deducting?" LOL! You are serious, aren't you? Really?
LOLOL!
They didn't have kids because they didn't want to raise kids. Not everyone does, you know. Or maybe you don't know... There is a lot you don't know.
It shows every time you post.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> I understand
In a pig's eye you do.... LOL!
curious wrote:
<quoted text> And yes,25% of atheists attend religious services on a regular weekly basis....
That is more than enough to satisfy their curiosity and explains why many of your children,when they reach adulthood convert into believers.
I understand...
get out of the spinzone and join the real world.
You understand nothing.
I KNOW quite a few atheists.
I KNOW a lot of pagans.
I know for a FACT that 25% of their kids are NOT going to church regularly.

You read about some survey you would love to believe is true but for which you have no actual proof.
Imagine that, a Christian claiming to know something for which they have no proof...AGAIN.

And you think *I* am the one who should join the "real world?"
LOL! You are a hoot.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108665 Jul 22, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Welcome back from the brink of madness.
I know of a guy who found Jesus when he was reunited with his dog.
http://images.dangerousminds.net/uploads/afil...
Now he spends his time buttressing his delusions by misinterpreting polls and being played like a piano by apologist sites and fundamentalist blogs. It's tragic to watch.
Which do you think is more noble and worthy of praise?
The love of God and Christ.Using a lost pet to put an unbeliever on the road to repentance
Or,
The actions of those unbeliecers who live according to their human nature.
Knowing full well the destructive ramifications of unbelief,they continue to weave their deceptive web.
The fact that unbelievers have the highest suicidial rates,mental problems and are more likely to become drug and alcohol abusers.
These unbelievers continue preaching their religion of Unbelief,feeling no guilt about the destruction they are wreaking on weak and unsuspecting minds and to their own families
And,when these problems surface,it is not the Atheists who provide support...
Generally speaking,the support comes from a Christian organization...
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#108666 Jul 22, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
"There will be no Christians coming out of this family" = FACT.
<quoted text>
You call that "deducting?" LOL! You are serious, aren't you? Really?
LOLOL!
They didn't have kids because they didn't want to raise kids. Not everyone does, you know. Or maybe you don't know... There is a lot you don't know.
It shows every time you post.
<quoted text>
In a pig's eye you do.... LOL!
<quoted text>
You understand nothing.
I KNOW quite a few atheists.
I KNOW a lot of pagans.
I know for a FACT that 25% of their kids are NOT going to church regularly.
You read about some survey you would love to believe is true but for which you have no actual proof.
Imagine that, a Christian claiming to know something for which they have no proof...AGAIN.
And you think *I* am the one who should join the "real world?"
LOL! You are a hoot.
The value of what you know is not sufficient to buy one an empty glass of cider and the whole from a donut during Halloween.
In other words,you know a lot about nothing....As is evidenced by the nonsense and gibberish you post under all your different monikers....

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