Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Read more: The Courier-Journal 135,676

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108577 Jul 21, 2013
Buzz Kill wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the danger?
Bible stories teach good work ethics and morals. What's wrong with that?
Because it also teaches hate, cruelty, war, slavery, and violence against women and children.
It says it's ok to sell your daughter, stone your child, rape and kill those who don't believe like you do.
If you want the land and goats/sheep owned by people in a neighboring country, you have "god's" permission to kill them and take their property, provided they don't believe like you do.
Buzz Kill wrote:
<quoted text> We, as a people, need spirituality in our lives again.
Freedom from the belief in primitive superstitions would make for a better world.
There. Now we have both expressed our opinions.
Buzz Kill wrote:
<quoted text> Look at the pain caused by drugs and alcohol abuse. It's because we have fled from morals and are leading glutinous lives!
Oh, sure. Because "believers" would never take drugs or abuse alcohol.
**eyeroll**
Buzz Kill wrote:
<quoted text> The common man needs religion to keep himself in line. So does the rich man.
You think everyone needs to believe in a mythical sky daddy who is going to punish him/her if he/she doesn't behave? Ridiculous.
If Yahweh appeared tomorrow and said, "Hey, do whatever you want to do! No punishment ever!" are you going to go out to steal, rape, and pillage?
If so, you were never a moral person to begin with.

Ethics and morals come from being able to empathize with others.
To treat others the way you want to be treated.
No religion is necessary for that.

The most ethical people I know are atheists.
They know that they are responsible for their actions.
They don't get to simply apologize to Yahweh and get "forgiven."
its obvious

United States

#108583 Jul 21, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>Because it also teaches hate, cruelty, war, slavery, and violence against women and children.
It says it's ok to sell your daughter, stone your child, rape and kill those who don't believe like you do.
If you want the land and goats/sheep owned by people in a neighboring country, you have "god's" permission to kill them and take their property, provided they don't believe like you do.

Buzz Kill wrote, "<quoted text> We, as a people, need spirituality in our lives again."

Freedom from the belief in primitive superstitions would make for a better world.
There. Now we have both expressed our opinions.

Buzz Kill wrote, "<quoted text> Look at the pain caused by drugs and alcohol abuse. It's because we have fled from morals and are leading glutinous lives! "

Oh, sure. Because "believers" would never take drugs or abuse alcohol.
**eyeroll**

Buzz Kill wrote, "<quoted text> The common man needs religion to keep himself in line. So does the rich man. "

You think everyone needs to believe in a mythical sky daddy who is going to punish him/her if he/she doesn't behave? Ridiculous.
If Yahweh appeared tomorrow and said, "Hey, do whatever you want to do! No punishment ever!" are you going to go out to steal, rape, and pillage?
If so, you were never a moral person to begin with.

Ethics and morals come from being able to empathize with others.
To treat others the way you want to be treated.
No religion is necessary for that.

The most ethical people I know are atheists.
They know that they are responsible for their actions.
They don't get to simply apologize to Yahweh and get "forgiven."
You have been deceived. The day will come in which you will regret these very words.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108584 Jul 21, 2013
its obvious wrote:
<quoted text>
You have been deceived. The day will come in which you will regret these very words.
You have been zombified. The day will come in which you will evidence even less brain activity.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108585 Jul 21, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
You have been zombified. The day will come in which you will evidence even less brain activity.
Studies show that,sad to say, unbelievers have more mental problems than the general population,they are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol and more likely to commit suicide.
Fortunately,about 25% of unbelievers attend a religious servioce on a regular basis.
Obviously,they are looking for answers that Atheism has not been able to provide them.
As you know,many of your children,raised as atheists, once they reach adulthood,convert to believers...
Why do you think that is?
What is it about Atheism that they find unfullfilling?
You can spin it anyway you want,the facts speak for themselves.
Are you saying that 25 % of Atheists are being zombified,or, are they realizing the error of their ways?
Are those of your children who convert once they reach adulthood
zombified,or,are they realizing that their parents erred?
It could well be that,reading the Scientific studies that confirm the abovementioned problems,they are searching for answers and solutions.
It would appear,even to the untrained eye,that they are seeking
that which we call God..
There are those who may deny it,but,the facts speak for themselves.
Moreover,since God desires that none be lost,if they diligently seek him,he will reveal himself to them.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108586 Jul 21, 2013
Buzz Kill wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is the danger?
Bible stories teach good work ethics and morals. What's wrong with that?
We, as a people, need spirituality in our lives again.
Look at the pain caused by drugs and alcohol abuse. It's because we have fled from morals and are leading glutinous lives!
The common man needs religion to keep himself in line. So does the rich man.
If the bible never pushed bad morality, you might have a point, but evidently you have no read the whole book or are blind to how murdering non believers is bad morality.

Deuteronomy 13:6-12

King James Version (KJV)

6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108587 Jul 21, 2013
its obvious wrote:
<quoted text>
You have been deceived. The day will come in which you will regret these very words.
Veiled threats are not going to scare a non believer.
Would a threat of Thor's wrath scare you?
It is clear to me that these scare tactics were manufactured by men seeking power and control. You blindly believe the threat that has absolutely zero evidence of being so.
I understand it is common to believe what your peers had lead you to believe, but it certainly does not mean it is true.

For one, I see no logic in expecting belief. It is not reasonable to punish someone for not believing in something that has absolutely zero evidence.

If your deity is that unreasonable and irrational, it is less likely the deity is of a good nature or even real.
It simply does not pass the logic test.

Now how do you pick your god? I would hope a logic test is part of the criteria.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108588 Jul 21, 2013
CivilLandEthics wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would anyone carry a purse on an evening neighborhood watch walk?
Why would someone use a different name in three consecutive posts?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108589 Jul 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I follow you. You aren't following me. I didn't mention the miracles. I only mentioned that He taught that He was the Son of God, the messiah, the savior of the world and that only through Him could anyone return to the Father. Since you don't believe in God, then you do not believe these statements. So either you are calling Jesus a fraud or crazy.
If what the bible claims of Jesus is what Jesus actually said, then yes, he is either crazy or a fraud.
But their is a good chance the bible is not citing correctly what the man called Jesus actually said. You see, it is all hearsay.
Also their is a debate of just what the "son of man" actually meant. Even believers of Jesus being a deity have disputes on its meaning.

People even today claim to be deities. Some even teach some good things, but non of the claims mean they are truth.
A crazy person can be a good person and teach some good things.

For all we know, Jesus could have been lead to believe he was a deity and believed it himself. This does not mean he was crazy in the sense of a medical disorder. It could simply be a sort of brainwashing. Just look at the Dalai Lama's of the past and today for a textbook example of this phenomenon.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108590 Jul 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess it depends on what you mean by high regard. I respect all religious followers though I don't believe in the same things they do.
So you respect the 9/11 hijackers? They followed what they thought their religion demanded of them. They did it with the blind faith that you keep demanding we accept.
So are you respecting their blind faith? Just what is it you respect about them? Do you respect what atheists believe?

You often make absolute statements that clearly fail when put to a simple test. This leads me to think you have poor logic tests. Thus I have no reason to respect your demand of belief.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108591 Jul 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Not saying it isn't possible, but the demonstrations I have witnessed I believe to be a figment of their own imaginations. I do not believe it is of God.
Again, I believe it is possible, but I do not see the usefulness of doing this like some Christian sects demonstrate today.
For the purpose of Pentecost, I can see it happening. But I don't see where there would be a setting that called for this to be necessary in the modern world.
So non belief is rational in your eyes? Great, now we are getting somewhere.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108592 Jul 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No
So you discount the possibility that the writings could be flawed?
This alone tells me you do not show the ability use skepticism for your beliefs.
I am sure the 9/11 hijackers had the same problem.

ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, the other consideration is that accounts written decades and centuries later should >never be assumed< to coincide with the actual events, especially when there are certain and definite agendas backing those writers. Wouldn't you agree?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108593 Jul 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>No comparison... Christians do not cut off your heads, or smash queers cinder blocks... what a tard!
Provably false claim there buddy. Do you live in a cave?
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/70-year-...

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13 " 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 14 " 'If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you. 15 " 'If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 " 'If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 17 " 'If a man marries his sister, the daughter of either his father or his mother, and they have sexual relations, it is a disgrace. They must be cut off before the eyes of their people. He has dishonored his sister and will be held responsible. 18 " 'If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108594 Jul 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Hahahaha!
Do you think ALL of us cannot understand complex thoughts???
How about the Micro biologists that have turned from atheism to ID believers???
I'd say... they understand more than you!
God's real!
snuggle up to that fact... you will be glad you did!
Well you are no micro biologist, nor simply believe in ID, so I do not understand why you use this for comparison?
ID does not automatically discount evolution either, which you do. You are a creationist.
Lets just get the facts straight, then debate them.
Is this to complex of a concept for you? If not, show us you can understand it, don't just claim to understand it.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108595 Jul 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Interesting....
Everyone will know the answer to that...
But I wonder... ALL the NDE's, and stories of God, n Heaven...
Why take chances? Even if God didn't show up, and save me...
I think I'd error on the side cautiousness!
Why not just cover all the bases and believe in all the gods ever conceived?
Are you not taking a chance that Mohammed might be the one true prophet? Maybe Joe Smith was the one.

I am sure the 9/11 hijackers believed as you and did not take chances doubting what they were told.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108596 Jul 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Ask Him when you see Him!
I doubt... that question will be on your mind...
And here is where the denial to be a skeptic of your beliefs come to play.
If you cop out on the questions at this point, please do not insist the scientific hypothesis's have no logic or plausible likelihoods.

Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did your god come from?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108597 Jul 21, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
My limited understanding cannot fathom how nothing can create something out of nothing.
To me,that is illogical and nonsensical.
Neither am I able to comprehend or explain how something"God" can have always existed.
But,the WORD OF GOD says" If you diligently seek me,you will find me.
Reluctantly,but,wanting to find out for myself,I tested God's word...
Through a series of events that occurred in my life,it became evident to me that God is real,and will reveal himself to those who seek him,as he promised.
I was not coerced,not delusional,brainwashed,did not hear voices,was not afraid of death,was not looking for a reward,eternal life or any such thing..
The events that occured in my life convinced me that someone was listening and responding to my prayers..
Thereby,my Faith....
To those who do not believe,my faith is nonsense.
To me,knowing what I experienced to be real,gives a totally different meaning to my life....
Well first get the actual argument straight. The debate from an atheist need not claim something came from nothing because no one can yet know if an absolute nothing ever was the state of things. As I have explained many times but you refuse to acknowledge, the hypothesis of Stephen Hawking's postulates that energy likely always existed. Thus absolute nothingness is just a relative term and not absolute.

It seems strange to me that you acknowledge the idea of a god coming from nothing or needing no creator does not exactly make sense, yet you keep insisting other hypothesis must make sense to you or else they are not true.

These concepts can be difficult to comprehend and I really do not expect average Joe to think about them enough or learn the facts enough to understand them.

I get you believe in god due to perceived occurrences. But I have seen studies of how flawed the human perception can be concerning these things. Humans naturally remember the positive events versus negative ones at a steady rate. So it is reasonable to assume you do as most humans do naturally.

What really leads me to believe you are deluded is the fact you keep ignoring my posts about this. It shows the consistent denial needed to stay in delusion.
It is not only you who does this, but it is every single regular religious poster on this thread.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108598 Jul 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, the Pentecostal version of the gift of tongues I think was to demonstrate the power of God to a large group of people. I don't see why this would be necessary now. And it certainly wouldn't have a place in a worship service with a group of people that already believe.
Of course some missionaries would have prior language experience in some cases. Kids start learning Spanish in kindergarten now. But I do have to say that a friend of mine learned Mandarin Chinese in under 4 weeks before his mission and he was not a good student in high school. I was impressed.
Do you believe the tower of Babble story? Do you believe different languages are due to god causing confusion among the people as this story claims?
This whole concept makes no sense to me. Now it sounds like you think god is magically making some speak in tongues to lower the confusion.
First, why would god intentionally try to make the people confused?
Looking at any map of differing religious populations we can see the language barrier could be a large reason for the differing religions. Thus if god wanted all to be of one religion, it defies logic to think he would put in place any road blocks to this goal.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108599 Jul 21, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
My logic is flawed?
You would rather me think Jesus was crazy than think you believe He was a fraud?
Hope you remember Bill Cosby's old standup routine with God and Noah when I say:
Riiiiiiiiiiggggghhhtt
And you wonder why we keep accusing you of avoiding answering our questions.
You have a really hard time giving a straight answer.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#108600 Jul 21, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Heat a rock, and water (sterilize them), and put them in a jar, set it in the sun, zap it with all the volts you want...
At the end of the day... you've got no Life!
Don't give me that crap about Billions of years crap, or I'll
give you that "So you say, but cannot demonstrate" crap!
Look! I like you, you seem to be one of the smartest on here...
You seem to know right from wrong, moral, and immoral!
From the microscope, to the telescope, we've searched the
mysteries of God, and it is the enemy that makes us blind to the truth...
Does it not bother you, the mindless narrative of Godless men
claiming things they cannot prove, and yet, God is a Prayer away!
95% of dating methods point to a young earth, and they push the old earth, because, if the enemy can keep you ignorant of God, or twist a church to think Gay clergy is A-ok with God, and
Killing babies like cattle in the slaughter house...
Sick Dying world we live in... I know you can see it!
Blessed day to you, and yours!
No,we cannot demonstrate what a billion years of nature can do. But we do not claim we know for sure this is how life started. At least I don't. I say it sounds plausible.

Now you claim god did it with absolute certainty, but you cannot show.
See the stark difference?

And your claim about 95% of dating methods pointing to a young earth is a compete lie. I thought lying was considered a sin to you? Maybe you think it is the truth, so that is your loophole.
doogie

Columbia, KY

#108601 Jul 21, 2013
religious literacy wrote:
this could be a good thing for the state of Kentucky - there needs to be some structure around how people teach religion in our schools.
In your scenario, does this include all the Christian sects or just the one you subscribe to? Does it also include Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Atheism?

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