Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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The decline of Marxism Leninism
Another example of the decline of atheism in intellectual thought is that atheistic Marxist-Leninist has been in rapid decline throughout the world as a whole. The decline of atheism as an ideology in the intellectual arena can be also be seen in astronomy. The idea that earth and the universe are rare and remarkable in their ability to support life is increasingly being recognized ó consider the ideas associated with the anthropic principle of the universe. Also, in astronomy the idea that the universe had a beginning and is not eternal has increasingly been recognized (increasing entropy of the universe, etc.). As a result of atheism's losing its intellectual lustre, Alister McGrath, a professor of historical theology at Oxford University, wrote in Christianity Today that atheism's "future seems increasingly to lie in the private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great public domain it once regarded as its habitat".[6]
The apparent tenuousness of atheism in some of its adherents
It seems that atheism is a position that some of its notable adherents find difficult to maintain. Sartre, the most famous professed atheist of the 20th century, said he often had the thought that he was the result of a Creator. Sartre is reported saying in the February 1984 edition of Harper's magazine:
"As for me, I donít see myself as so much dust that has appeared in the world but as a being that was expected, prefigured, called forth. In short, as a being that could, it seems, come only from a creator; and this idea of a creating hand that created me refers me back to God. Naturally this is not a clear, exact idea that I set in motion every time I think of myself. It contradicts many of my other ideas; but it is there, floating vaguely. And when I think of myself I often think rather in this way, for want of being able to think otherwise." [7]
Francis Crick, who is well known for being a advocate of materialism, is perhaps another example. An article which mentions Francis Crick's stated materialist position contains the following:
"Crick is also a fervent atheistic materialist, who propounds the particle story. In his autobiography, Crick says very candidly biologists must remind themselves daily that what they study was not created, it evolved; it was not designed, it evolved. Why do they have to remind themselves of that? Because otherwise, the facts which are staring them in the face and trying to get their attention might break through."[8]

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curious wrote:
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If you have a problem with this study,you should share your expert opinion with those who authotrd it,not me.
That would be like George Zimmerman's defense team saying, "If you have a problem with Mr. Zimmerman shooting people take it up with Kel-Tec (the gun manufacturer), not him".
curious wrote:
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I never said the study was evidence for God's existence,nor did I imply it.
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nor did I imply it.
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imply
Another word to which I don't think you understand the meaning.
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If we have anything christian in public schools, we also need to have a group that teaches children magic.

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The real test of faith and love comes in the application. If we love Him, we will keep His commandments.
WARNINGS ABOUT FALSE TEACHERS
"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, that you might not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son." (II JOHN 7-9). The reason for the great amount of attention given to truth, the commandments and obeying them is the very real danger which existed (and exists today) of being destroyed by a false teacher. The particular false teachers of John's day were called "deceivers" and "antichrists." They have "gone out into the world" showing that they were once within the church (cf. I JOHN 2:19). They were denying that Jesus had come "in the flesh." They said that that which was divine could not become material flesh. He wasn't really here! His body was an illusion! He did not really die! These teachers were the antichrists. They lived and worked in the first century. The Bible does not use the term "antichrist" to refer to some future world leader.
John cautions "watch yourselves" because it would be possible to "lose what we have accomplished." One writer, who believes it is impossible to fall from grace, said these people were in danger of losing "part of the reward at the judgment seat of Christ." But John says nothing about losing a part of anything. He says we can lose it all or we can receive it all; a full reward!
If we go beyond the teaching, or doctrine of Christ, then we forfeit our relationship with God. This letter stresses the need to walk in the commandments of God. If we push them aside substituting our own doctrines and practices, then we do not have God. We must continue to abide in the teaching of Christ to maintain our
relationship with Him and the Father. Yes! Doctrine does matter!
DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANOTHER'S EVIL DEEDS
"If anyone comes to you, and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds." (II JOHN 10,11). If it is true that the "elect lady" is a church, then "house" here could be the place where the saints assemble to worship. Or perhaps Christians are being told not to allow a traveling false teacher a place to stay. At any rate, Christians are prohibited from lending encouragement to false teachers. Do not even wish them well in their work, because whatever encouragement or support we may give them will only serve to aid in the accomplishment of evil. The false teacher must be shown that his teaching is unacceptable.
Truth will be with us forever. It makes us free. We must be loyal to the way, the truth and the life.
http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-2-john.htm

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I read this on another discussion board, was charmed and wanted to share it.
It illustrates the difference between Reason and Faith beautifully.
A guy named Joe wrote:

I used to ask my dad, "What does God look like?".
And he'd say like us, that we were made in his image.

And I'd say, "Well does he have eyes?"
And my dad would say well I believe he would.
And I'd say "Why? Eyes are photon receptors. Why does God need a surface to capture photons. Doesn't he just "know" everything?"

And I'd say, "Well does God have feet?"
And my dad would say well I believe he would.
And I'd say "Why? Can't he just appear anywhere?"

And I'd ask, "Well does God have a penis?"
And my dad would get angry.
And I'd say "What would he need reproductive parts for? Is there a lady God out there he wants to get all up inside her?"

And I'd ask, "Does God have a stomach and intestines and does he go poop?"
And my dad would basically just stop talking with me and say there was a God and that was that.
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Amen ms witch

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If you have a problem with this study,you should share your expert opinion with those who authotrd it,not me.
I never said the study was evidence for God's existence,nor did I imply it.
It seems that you have a tendency to see things that are not there.
The studies merely point out problems that exist in society.
As opposed to the very foolish,who,in their state of ignorance,claim that Christians are delusional,believe in magic and have emotional problems as the basis for their belief in God.
Some of your more famous atheists most assuredly had some very serious mental problems,,,
Nietzche,Madalyn O'hair and John Forbes Nash,among others
lol...you're posting Alister McGrath stuff. A theologian thinks atheism is dead...shocker!

Good night, you crazy, crazy person.
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I'm all for putting God in our school.

Please send me $200 for my book on moral living.

Forgive me Father for I have sinned. WAAAA, BOO HOO, sniff sniff.
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aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Silly man. You are well known for lying so no one really believes you will do what you say. Your "god" will tell you it's ok to use the disgusting term "tard" ...no matter what we say.
A moral conscience and a bit of empathy should tell you it's NOT ok.
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"To those of you that WANT to believe in a god...So be it!
Live your lives!(But keep out of other people's lives)
To those of you that believe you that that there is a god...You are just ignorant!"
^^^^We could both say these lines ad infinitum. Does it make any difference?
Do you really think you are helping anyone to believe in your fantasy by posting here?
You blather on about "proof."
How you are "saved" from some vague imaginary threat.
Why don't you tell us how you are a better person because of your imaginary "forgiveness?"
Don't tell us what you DON'T do...like drugs and homosexual sex.
Tell us what you DO to make the world a better place because you are in it.
(besides posting your nonsense on Topix, that is..*chuckle*)
By the way, you still drink, don't you?
Hold that thought, as your clock ticks down, and your end gets closer... Hoping you change your mind!
God is real, and no amount of dis-belief will change that!
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BTW about the "Will of the People"... I was going to point out that the will of the people in CA was Over ruled by Un-righteousness!
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Lame attempt to reverse the burden of proof. If you had a shred of intelligence you would recognize how stupid this sounds.
"Filling the gaps with "god didn't do it""?? Are you serious?
I'm asking you seriously if you are on medication for a mental disorder. I'm just curious about that. Your posts are irrational and I have a feeling you might suffer from some sort of problem. If so, I hope you are getting help.
Sure...
Whatever you want to believe, say I'm on meds... whatever!
Sounded more stupid from you, than from me!
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Brian_G wrote:
If you had studied the bible the Zimmerman verdict would be no surprise.
What I want to know is...
Why isn't the "Race-baiters" in the held accountable in their Race/hate crimes??? Zimmerman was not guilty of race... FBI said so!
Such a messed up world the Liberals are making!
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aWitchintheWoods wrote:
I read this on another discussion board, was charmed and wanted to share it.
It illustrates the difference between Reason and Faith beautifully.
A guy named Joe wrote:
I used to ask my dad, "What does God look like?".
And he'd say like us, that we were made in his image.
And I'd say, "Well does he have eyes?"
And my dad would say well I believe he would.
And I'd say "Why? Eyes are photon receptors. Why does God need a surface to capture photons. Doesn't he just "know" everything?"
And I'd say, "Well does God have feet?"
And my dad would say well I believe he would.
And I'd say "Why? Can't he just appear anywhere?"
And I'd ask, "Well does God have a penis?"
And my dad would get angry.
And I'd say "What would he need reproductive parts for? Is there a lady God out there he wants to get all up inside her?"
And I'd ask, "Does God have a stomach and intestines and does he go poop?"
And my dad would basically just stop talking with me and say there was a God and that was that.
Hahahaha!
You are so ignorant!
Your body is just a machine to carry your "Spirit/soul" on this earth!
God is a Spirit, and came in the flesh to save you, and I...
It was a gift, take it or leave it... I took mine :-)

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Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Hold that thought, as your clock ticks down, and your end gets closer... Hoping you change your mind!
God is real, and no amount of dis-belief will change that!
That is YOUR fear that you are referring to, not mine.
I am not afraid of dying.
There is no hell or heaven, just the same nothingness as before being born.

And you are so scared you might be wrong.

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Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Hahahaha!
You are so ignorant!
Your body is just a machine to carry your "Spirit/soul" on this earth!
God is a Spirit, and came in the flesh to save you, and I...
It was a gift, take it or leave it... I took mine :-)
IF your "god" were real, I would spit in his eye.
I have no respect for a creature who would punish those he "loved" for eternity for the finite "crime" of not worshipping him.

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Sin is sin. If you sin, it is against all three members of the Godhead. This is different from denying God or the Holy Spirit.
I agree sin is sin. I do not agree about denying God or the holy spirit.

Look this is were I think you understand of this concept is not correct.

Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

The bible explictly say that if you have the correct doctrine of the truth (which all christians sects say they have) including yourself and if you willfully sin then no sacrifice for sins is left.

So the unforgivable sin would be a sin against the TRUTH.

Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the TRUTH, no sacrifice for sins is left.

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the TRUTH.

If you don't have the TRUTH in the first place then you cannot sin against the Holy Spirit.

This then means the heavy burden is upon those that have the TRUTH and then willfully keep sinning.

Ecclesiastes 5:4-8
4 When you make a vow to God, do not delay in fulfilling it. He has no pleasure in fools; fulfill your vow. 5 It is better not to vow than to make a vow and not fulfill it.

I would like to see what other religious ones think about the understanding of how you can sin against the Holy Spirit, since they are the ones who claim to have the truth.

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ChromiuMan wrote:
If you had studied how Rick Scott and Tallahassee has defended the "stand your ground" law, the Zimmerman verdict would be no surprise.
There's that too.

Lesson from Tray: when bouncing an old man's head off the street, expect to get shot. Just saying.
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lol...you're posting Alister McGrath stuff. A theologian thinks atheism is dead...shocker!
Good night, you crazy, crazy person.
Seems that you conveniently overlooked the reasons for the decline
of Atheism..
Here is a reminder
The Decline of Atheism
According to Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg, "Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline worldwide."
According to Oxford's Alister McGrath, Atheism's "future seems increasingly to lie in the private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great public domain it once regarded as its habitat," Christianity Today.[1]
Reasons cited for the decline of atheism include:
Substantive challenges to naturalistic explanations for the origin of life;
Substantive challenges to psychological theories viewing religion as a pathology, and a scientific demonstration of the health benefits of a spiritual life;
Philosophical challenges to the presuppositions and axioms of atheism, such as materialism;
The decline of Marxism and Leninism;
Tenuousness of belief in atheism by many of its own believers;
Reduction in atheism and resurgence of theistic belief worldwide;
Inhuman acts committed by atheists throughout the 20th century;
The origin of life
The origin of life (abiogenesis) has always provided something of a challenge for atheism. To date, life has never, under any circumstances, been observed spontaneously arising from non-life. Further, as the study of biology progresses, scientists and the public at large are becoming ever more aware of the profound complexity, intricacy and beauty evident in even the simplest forms of life.
It was detail at this level, specifically the fact that a single cell can contain more information than the entire Encyclopedia Britannica, that convinced the well known atheist Anthony Flew that atheism was indefensible, and caused him to convert to deism.
Psychology
Another traditional bastion of atheism has been the belief that religion is a form of psychological pathology. This view was promoted by Freud, and more recently by R. Stark & W. S. Bainbridge in their work, Theory of Religion. The traditional argument was that religion was both the result of neurosis, and the cause of further deterioration into neurosis.
Recently, however, these ideas have come under fire by medical and psychological research. The Mayo Clinic did an analysis of 850 mental health studies involving religious belief and involvement and found that mental health was positively affected by faith.[2]
Subsequently, 1,200 studies at research centers around the world have come to similar conclusions. For example, Psychologie Heute, a German journal, cites the marked improvement of multiple sclerosis patients in Germany's Ruhr District because of "spiritual resources." [3]
Professor Vitz did a study of the most prominent professed atheists in the last 400 years; it appears that those individuals neither were nor are paragons of mental health, and that a disproportionate number had strained relationships with their fathers.[4][5]
Some challenge Prof. Vitz's argument that the temperament of an atheist arises from a strained relationship with his father, without addressing the possibility that both the atheism and the strained paternal relationship may have stemmed from the child's native cantankerous and rebellious temperament.
As a result of these facts, many have become convinced that religion is psychologically beneficial, and that it is atheism which is both a cause and a result of mental illness.

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Seems that you conveniently overlooked the reasons for the decline
of Atheism..
Here is a reminder...a bunch of xian propaganda...
What makes you think that Atheism is on the decline?
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IF your "god" were real, I would spit in his eye.
I have no respect for a creature who would punish those he "loved" for eternity for the finite "crime" of not worshipping him.
You seem familiar.
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If you are interested ,Google"Religious Affiliation, Atheism and Suicide
It will get you there.
BTW 1)Curious is a figment of my imagination,Although he has never had a bowel movement,he is not full of tihs..
2) English is not my native tongue. You made the same allegations using your regular nick Yiago..
Just so you understand
Porta fa Hist, zumindest, ein wichtiger . interessiert man sich mehr fur hingegen wird sie als betrachtet.
Vor zehn radaskatz gab es nur mehr , heute wachst die. Unter ihnen und bringt man nicht unbedingt mit
Y,por si acaso no entiendes en Aleman,aqui tienes,en otro de mis favoritos idiomas..
Canto E loco
El proximo te lo mandare en Frances o italiano Capice gumbadi,,,Testa di cipollla
Thanks for clearing that up.

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