Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 132,163

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#108431 Jul 18, 2013
The Czech Republic is a classic example. It proclaims itself the most atheist country in Europe, if not the world; it also has a puny birthrate of 1.28 per woman, one of the lowest on the planet (so soon there won’t be any godless Czechs to proclaim their atheism).
The existence of atheism is therefore something of an anomaly. But then again, anomalies are not unknown in evolution.
Think of the dodo or the flightless parrot, doomed to extinction. Are atheists similarly blighted? Are Richard Dawkins and his type destined to vanish off the face of the Earth — the victims of their own intellectual arrogance?
That’s not for me to say; it’s for you to ponder. All I do know is that reassessing the research has changed the way I think about faith. These days I go to church quite a lot, especially when I am travelling and researching my books.
For instance, the other day I found myself in Cambridge — the home of Stephen Hawking — and took the opportunity to do some sightseeing of the city’s intellectual landmarks.
I strolled by the labs where Hawking does his brilliant work, popped into the pub where they announced the discovery of DNA and admired the library where Charles Darwin studied. As I did, I was in awe at the greatness of Man’s achievements.
And then I went to Evensong at King’s College Chapel, and it was beautiful, sublime and uplifting. And I felt a very different kind of awe.
Sneer at faith all you like. Just don’t assume science is on your side.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#108433 Jul 18, 2013
Going to a friendly church, temple or mosque gives you a strong social network and a ready-made support group, which in turn gives you a more positive outlook on life — and offers vital help in times of need. The Harvard scientists were so startled by their findings that they considered altering their own religious behaviour.
As Professor Lim said:‘I am not a religious person, but ... I personally began to think about whether I should go to church. It would make my mum happy.’
But if the ‘congregation’ effect is one explanation for the good health of churchgoers, it’s not the only one. Other surveys have found that intrinsic faith is also important.
For instance, a study of nearly 4,000 older adults for the U.S. Journal of Gerontology revealed that atheists had a notably increased chance of dying over a six-year period than the faithful.
Crucially, religious people lived longer than atheists even if they didn’t go regularly to a place of worship. This study clearly suggests there is a benefit in pure faith alone — perhaps this religiousness works by affording a greater sense of inner purpose and solace in grief.
This begs the question: Given all this vast evidence that religion is good for you, how come the atheists seem so set against it?
They pride themselves on their rationality, yet so much of the empirical evidence indicates that God is good for you. Surely, then, it is the atheists, not the devout, who are acting irrationally?
All this will come as no surprise to many students of genetics and evolution, who have long speculated that religious faith might be hard- wired into the human mind.
For instance, twin studies (research on identical siblings who are separated at birth) show that religion is a heritable characteristic: if one twin is religious, the other is likely to be a believer as well, even when raised by different parents.
Prayer: Studys have found that even those with a small connection to religion can feel the benefits of it
Neurologists are making exciting progress in locating the areas of the brain, primarily the frontal cortex,‘responsible’ for religious belief — parts of the brain that seem designed to accommodate faith. This research even has its own name: neurotheology.
Why might we be hard-wired to be religious? Precisely because religion makes us happier and healthier, and thus makes us have more children.
In the purest of Darwinian terms, God isn’t just good for you, He’s good for your genes, too.
All of which means that, contrary to expectation, it is the atheists who are eccentric, flawed and maladaptive, and it’s the devout who are healthy, well-adjusted and normal.
Certainly, in purely evolutionary terms, atheism is a blind alley. Across the world, religious people have more children than non-religious (go forth and multiply!), while atheist societies are the ones with the lowest birth rates.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108434 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that most people's idea of "Life" is far, far too narrow.
They are saying "Life, you know, like us" when the variety of possibilities of living creatures is endless.
The more we think we know, the more there is to learn.
Yes... there is every probability that we could run into several forms of life and not be able to recognize it in the slightest...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108435 Jul 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
The evidence shows that GZ spotted, profiled and chased TM, lost him, found him again and a confrontation ensued. We will never hear TM's side of the story. You can edit and confound the story any other way you want - and you usually do. That's why I loathe responding directly to your posts. Have a nice day.
The Evidence does not Show that in the slightest....

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#108436 Jul 18, 2013
ok, I have a serious question. I'm not religious and don't really understand the depth of science so here is my question.

If everything has evolved from a particle and the universe is expanding why are there not new things evolving and if the universe is expanding are we getting further away from the sun?

oh, and how do I use the [quote] symbols?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108438 Jul 18, 2013
chance8 wrote:
ok, I have a serious question. I'm not religious and don't really understand the depth of science so here is my question.
If everything has evolved from a particle and the universe is expanding why are there not new things evolving and if the universe is expanding are we getting further away from the sun?
oh, and how do I use the [quote] symbols?
All Things are evolving at all times... You are Different tomorrow than you are today... The changes are so small as to be undetectable to you but there are changes and some are measurable... But Changes of things are tied to the conditions(Environments) they exist within...
As long as the environment is fairly stable and doesn't change much the changes of life forms in that stable environment is slow, so slow it may be 10's of 1000's of years before any change is noticed.
But change the environment and change happens quickly (In geological time) For example Humans change a little over long times here on earth because the environment is relatively stable over long periods of time... But send a Human into space and within weeks the bones lose calcium, the muscles atrophy and the basic chemistry of the body changes... If a large enough breeding population were to be placed in that environment within a few generations the ones that survive could very well be unrecognizable as humans... Another example is domestic animals... take Dogs.. Humans act as a Environmental Impactor by selective breeding... within a short time of 10 to 20 thousand years we went from wild stocks of about 5 basic canine types to recognized 339 breeds of dogs and 1000's of sub variations ...
Think of a Oak Tree growing.. If you look at it for a week it doesn't change enough to notice but come back in 100 years ... Evolution works the same way... but is slow until the environment changes then it speeds up until the environment is filled after a catastrophic event that changes the environment....

at the beginning
at the end of a quote

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108439 Jul 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
The Evidence does not Show that in the slightest....
Nope, not in the 'slightest'.
At approximately 7:09 PM, Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community. Zimmerman stated, "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy." (SPOTTED) He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes. On the recording, Zimmerman is heard saying, "these assholes, they always get away." (PROFILED)
About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running." The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?" The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door. Zimmerman followed Martin,(CHASED) eventually losing sight of him.(LOST) The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay." Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location. Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.
After Zimmerman ended his call with police,(FOUND) a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman,(CONFRONTED) which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards (64 m) from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#108440 Jul 18, 2013
CivlLawandEthics wrote:
<quoted text>
where's the outrage on the thirteen month old baby?
The media hasn't sensationalized it.
White Lightening

Gardena, CA

#108441 Jul 18, 2013
Carl Sagan wrote:
<quoted text>
The media hasn't sensationalized it.
sagan was an athiest through out his life although the closer he got to death he started to speak as though he might be wondering if there really was a god. i've never understood why it's so important to some people that there is no god.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108442 Jul 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes... there is every probability that we could run into several forms of life and not be able to recognize it in the slightest...
If or when that happens, it will be a sad commentary on that "crown of creation" called humanity.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108443 Jul 18, 2013
White Lightening wrote:
<quoted text>
sagan was an athiest through out his life although the closer he got to death he started to speak as though he might be wondering if there really was a god. i've never understood why it's so important to some people that there is no god.
You have it wrong. It is not important "that there is no god."
As we have stated over and over on this forum, anyone can believe in any nonsense they want to AS LONG AS THEY DON'T INSIST THAT OTHERS BELIEVE ALSO AND ATTEMPT TO ENACT LAWS BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS THAT AFFECT EVERYONE.

A country which runs on religious laws is a theocracy.
Do you want to live in a country like that?
I don't.
trish

Point Pleasant, WV

#108444 Jul 18, 2013
Amen

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108445 Jul 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, not in the 'slightest'.
At approximately 7:09 PM, Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community. Zimmerman stated, "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy." (SPOTTED) He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes. On the recording, Zimmerman is heard saying, "these assholes, they always get away." (PROFILED)
About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running." The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?" The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door. Zimmerman followed Martin,(CHASED) eventually losing sight of him.(LOST) The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay." Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location. Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.
After Zimmerman ended his call with police,(FOUND) a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman,(CONFRONTED) which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards (64 m) from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.
Then you should have listened a bit closer to the actual 911 tapes where he mention the suspect standing in the rain in a yard staring at a house, as he drove around the suspect saw him and walked off... On a raining night ... So Yep... that is a Suspicious Person that Any Neighborhood Watch Should keep and eye on and follow until they see that they are not heading through the window of the next house down...

The Evidence does not indicate Who Confront Who... The Only testimony is Zimmerman that he was Jumped on the way back to his truck and Map of the paths Zimmerman stats e took and the location of the Confrontation backs up Zimmerman version... The side walk that turns toward Martins fathers home was where Zimmermans says he Stopped following and walked straight ahead as Martin turned toward the house... Zimmerman walked to the end of the side walk and turned to head back to his truck which would have taken several moments.. If martin would have continued home he would have been there in 2 minutes... But it was four minutes after last OK that the Confrontation took place... The Evidence says that after Zimmerman stopped following and walked of Martin turned around and went to the Corner where the two side walks cross and laid in wait until Zimmerman passed back by the spot 4 minutes after last contact with the cops... Could Zimmerman be lying...sure... But the time line, location of conflict, injuries bolster his story...

If my neighborhood watch guys see Anyone they do not recognize I would hope they would follow them and do as told by the police contacts at the meeting which is always if you see Anything one Anyone suspicious call the police and keep them in sight... Zimmerman did absolutely Nothing illegal up until the moment of Contact from All Evidence presented in court.. There is No Evidence Zimmerman initiated that contact...
White Lightening

Gardena, CA

#108446 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You have it wrong. It is not important "that there is no god."
As we have stated over and over on this forum, anyone can believe in any nonsense they want to AS LONG AS THEY DON'T INSIST THAT OTHERS BELIEVE ALSO AND ATTEMPT TO ENACT LAWS BASED ON THEIR BELIEFS THAT AFFECT EVERYONE.
A country which runs on religious laws is a theocracy.
Do you want to live in a country like that?
I don't.
the usa is not run according to religion which gets to the separation of church and state. i am comfortable with a country where the citizens believe in something beyond them.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108447 Jul 18, 2013
White Lightening wrote:
<quoted text>
the usa is not run according to religion which gets to the separation of church and state. i am comfortable with a country where the citizens believe in something beyond them.
So you would be uncomfortable in a country of atheists?
If so, why?
HELLO

United States

#108448 Jul 18, 2013
kellerman wrote:
It's not appropriate to teach religion in school. we live in a diverse society and can't teach all religions in schools. One has to keep these separate, it's up to the parents to inform their children on religious upbringing. I thought this issue was long solved, but i see it keeps coming back up.
Right now everyone is promoting atheism. We aren't allowed to talk about God because we might offend someone! Look where that has gotten us! Did you hear of school shootings when we were allowed to pray in school? Nope!
White Lightening

Gardena, CA

#108449 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would be uncomfortable in a country of atheists?
If so, why?
not if they believe freedom of religion = freedom from religion.
WeNeedGodBackinA merica

Tampa, FL

#108450 Jul 18, 2013
Ephesians 5:6-9
King James Version (KJV)

6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Psalm 119:7
King James Version (KJV)

7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108451 Jul 18, 2013
White Lightening wrote:
<quoted text> i am comfortable with a country where the citizens believe in something beyond them.
So you would be comfortable in Iran or Iraq?
With people who make laws concerning your behavior based on their religious views?
So true

Pelham, TN

#108452 Jul 18, 2013
WeNeedGodBackinAmerica wrote:
Ephesians 5:6-9
King James Version (KJV)
6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
Psalm 119:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 I will praise thee with uprightness of heart, when I shall have learned thy righteous judgments.
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