Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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The moment you sprinkle your comments with" I would imagine's, maybes,if this were true leads one to believe you are voicing your opinion,not to be confused with facts.
What I believe is that Atheists are finding an empty space which Atheism is unable to fill and are looking for real answers to life's problems...
Well, of course it is my opinion. I can't go ask the participants in the study for more details.

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<quoted text>Do you believe that all bible translations that contain these supposed errors and that the translators of these errant bibles may have sinned against the Holy Spirit? What do you believe is a sin against the Holy Spirit?
Good question. I don't think you can sin against the Holy Spirit. There is just sin. Sin goes against righteousness, which means it is contrary to any of the members of the Godhead.

I think that most errors in the Bible were not intentional. I think even the Council in Nicea were, for the most part, trying to figure out the doctrine to the best of their ability. But none of them had access to a prophet, the Gift of the Holy Ghost, or the priesthood. So they reasoned amongst themselves as best they could and made decisions on doctrinal questions. And most of the stories of the Old Testament are not believed to be written by the people that experienced them. So there could be inaccuracies there too that come from verbal pass downs. I don't think I would consider it sin unless someone knowingly translated something wrong.

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<quoted text>Who's "we"?

And how convenient.
Mormons.

I never claimed the Bible was inerrant
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<quoted text>Now you claim their is absolutely no evidence for evolution?
I have no idea what you think "evidence" is, so I really have no idea where to start with this.
I think the fossil evidence found shows, evolution of animals and plants occur. It is clear that in the distant past, animals lived that look very close to what the animals that lived after them looked like. This happened in a progression that confirms the idea all the way to modern humans. We humans look very much like apes, and even have extremely close DNA relations.
Other than a larger brain, less hair, and walking upright, their is little to nothing different about us and apes.
We can see adaptations being naturally selected. This can be tested and seen virtually before our eyes in viruses and bacteria.
I get that you cannot put the pieces of evidence together to conclude animals and plants evolve, but to claim their is no evidence that points to the theory being true is just an extreme denial of the facts.
Copied from the book; "Life How Did It Get Here? By Evolution? Or By Creation? Published by Jehovah's Witnesses
Chapter 5
Letting the Fossil Record Speak
FOSSILS are the remains of ancient forms of life preserved in the earth’s crust. These may be skeletons or parts of them such as bones, teeth or shells. A fossil also may be some trace of the activity of what was once alive, such as an imprint or trail. Many fossils no longer contain their original material but are made up of mineral deposits that have infiltrated them and have taken on their shape.
2 Why are fossils important to evolution? Geneticist G. L. Stebbins noted a major reason:“No biologist has actually seen the origin by evolution of a major group of organisms.”1 So, living things on earth today are not seen to be evolving into something else. Instead, they are all complete in form and distinct from other types. As geneticist Theodosius Dobzhansky observed:“The living world is not a single array . . . connected by unbroken series of intergrades.”2 And Charles Darwin conceded that “the distinctness of specific [living] forms and their not being blended together by innumerable transitional links, is a very obvious difficulty.”3
3 Thus, the distinct varieties of things now alive offer no support to the theory of evolution. That is why the fossil record became so important. It was felt that at least fossils would provide the confirmation that the theory of evolution needed.
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4 If evolution were a fact, the fossil evidence would surely reveal a gradual changing from one kind of life into another. And that would have to be the case regardless of which variation of evolutionary theory is accepted. Even scientists who believe in the more rapid changes associated with the “punctuated equilibrium” theory acknowledge that there would still have been many thousands of years during which these changes supposedly took place. So it is not reasonable to believe that there would be no need at all for linking fossils.
5 Also, if evolution were founded in fact, the fossil record would be expected to reveal beginnings of new structures in living things. There should be at least some fossils with developing arms, legs, wings, eyes, and other bones and organs. For instance, there should be fish fins changing into amphibian legs with feet and toes, and gills changing into lungs. There should be reptiles with front limbs changing into bird wings, back limbs changing into legs with claws, scales changing into feathers, and mouths changing into horny beaks.
6 In this regard the British journal New Scientist says of the theory:“It predicts that a complete fossil record would consist of lineages of organisms showing gradual change continuously over long periods of time.”4 As Darwin himself asserted:“The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed,[must] be truly enormous.”5
7 On the other hand, if the Genesis creation account is factual, then the fossil record would not show one type of life turning into another. It would reflect the Genesis statement that each different type of living thing would reproduce only “according to its kind.”(Genesis 1:11, 12, 21, 24, 25) Also, if living things came into being by an act of creation, there would be no partial, unfinished bones or organs in the fossil record. All fossils would be complete and highly complex, as living things are today.
8 In addition, if living things were created, they would be expected to appear suddenly in the fossil record, unconnected to anything before them. And if this was found to be true, what then? Darwin frankly admitted:“If numerous species . . . have really started into life at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory of evolution.
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Be more concerned with what God thinks about you than what people think about you.

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Be more concerned with what God thinks about you than what people think about you.
"We ought to obey God rather than men"
When you "obey God" you are obeying men. You just haven't realized it.

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<quoted text>Any scientist, that cannot see God's handiwork IN His creation, and/or tries hard to deny that there is a Creating God... is an Atheist!
Anti-Christ if you will...
Our American flag WAS Designed by God fearing Christian people, and
sewn By a Christian woman... So Yes!
God Bless America!
Wow. Your ability to debate is amazing. I stand corrected. You have floored me with facts, data, and solid theory.

You should write a book or be a college professor.

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If u don't believe why do u bother with the argument?
1. Because people who believe in talking snakes and magic vote. I live here too and their votes make a difference in my life and the lives of those I love. Therefore it is important to combat stupidity.

2. It's fun.

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Mormons.
I never claimed the Bible was inerrant
Mormons also believe in Reformed Egyptian...a language that has never been seen or heard of outside Joseph Smith's brain. So I don't think their Biblical scholarship is...watertight.

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They're the ones who believe god is a flesh and bone man, right? Who also got in some sort of flying mechanism and flew to Earth to rape a woman?
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<quoted text> Maybe the Abrahamic God is real? Perhaps the Bible is true? I imagine those who are devoutly religious are not brain damaged? It could be that God responds to prayer?
Nah.... just teasing, Bonzo.
Maybe...Those Atheists that are attending religious services every week,are doing so,in order to get a legitimate answer to the questions you posed.

Perhaps,those of your children who were raised as Atheists and have now converted to Believers ,did so,because they diligently searched for the truth,God revealed himself to them,answered those questions and much more.
After all,Madalyn O"hair's Atheist son became a believer and a Christian Minister

He who comes to me,I will in no wise cast out.
If ye diligently seek me,ye will find me,For I desire for none to be lost,
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Maybe...Those Atheists that are attending religious services every week,are doing so,in order to get a legitimate answer to the questions you posed.
You got some solid evidence for that? It's a pretty sweeping generalization.
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1. Because people who believe in talking snakes and magic vote. I live here too and their votes make a difference in my life and the lives of those I love. Therefore it is important to combat stupidity.
2. It's fun.
Combating stupidity is important.
I do believe that is exactly what the 25% of Atheists that attend religious services each week are doing.

Moreover,so are also,the 70% of your chidren,whom upon reaching adulthood,discard Atheism as worthless,are converted into believers
or become Agnostics.
If you want to fight stupidity,you'd best start that fight with the stupid members contained within your ranks.

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Maybe...Those Atheists that are attending religious services every week,are doing so,in order to get a legitimate answer to the questions you posed.
Perhaps,those of your children who were raised as Atheists and have now converted to Believers ,did so,because they diligently searched for the truth,God revealed himself to them,answered those questions and much more.
After all,Madalyn O"hair's Atheist son became a believer and a Christian Minister
He who comes to me,I will in no wise cast out.
If ye diligently seek me,ye will find me,For I desire for none to be lost,
Praised be our God and Our Lord,Jesus Christ
You really only thing in one color. Of the millions of possible answers to the questions you posted, you only came up with one answer to each and they're nothing more than what you want to be real.

Sounds like your delusion has rotted your brain completely.

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Combating stupidity is important.
I do believe that is exactly what the 25% of Atheists that attend religious services each week are doing.
Moreover,so are also,the 70% of your chidren,whom upon reaching adulthood,discard Atheism as worthless,are converted into believers
or become Agnostics.
If you want to fight stupidity,you'd best start that fight with the stupid members contained within your ranks.
You keep throwing out these numbers. Where are you getting them? Because I know for a fact that "70%" of atheists do not become religious.

And the distinction between an agnostic and an atheist is meaningless in this discussion. Both reject your claims.

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Good question. I don't think you can sin against the Holy Spirit. There is just sin. Sin goes against righteousness, which means it is contrary to any of the members of the Godhead.
I think that most errors in the Bible were not intentional. I think even the Council in Nicea were, for the most part, trying to figure out the doctrine to the best of their ability. But none of them had access to a prophet, the Gift of the Holy Ghost, or the priesthood. So they reasoned amongst themselves as best they could and made decisions on doctrinal questions. And most of the stories of the Old Testament are not believed to be written by the people that experienced them. So there could be inaccuracies there too that come from verbal pass downs. I don't think I would consider it sin unless someone knowingly translated something wrong.
Your comments are interesting and have some basis in religious history, thanks for your reply. Now just a few questions.

If what you said is true about the Holy Spirit, then all good atheist are also among the ones saved. All who are good will be saved. So if those that are good will be save. That doctrine is nicer than the Jehovah Witnesses doctrine and even Yaa's doctrine and many others.

You don't think one can sin against the Holy Spirit, then why would one suffer in hell for all eternity? Something does not sound correct. If you sinned and have to suffer in hell for all eternity then you must have sinned against the Holy Spirit I would think.

Judias Escariot was commsioned as an apostle and had no doubt about the diety of Jesus, yet like Satan turned against him. Would you consider that a deliberate act of treason against God or an act of sin against the Holy Spirit by Judias.

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Combating stupidity is important.
I do believe that is exactly what the 25% of Atheists that attend religious services each week are doing.
Moreover,so are also,the 70% of your chidren,whom upon reaching adulthood,discard Atheism as worthless,are converted into believers
or become Agnostics.
If you want to fight stupidity,you'd best start that fight with the stupid members contained within your ranks.
That was not to me. I did find some reasons atheist would attend church.

But why would atheists go to church? I mean, what's that all about?

First, scientists feel that having a scientific mindset means being able to make choices for oneself. Even if the scientist parent does not believe in God, this does not mean that the parent should impose that decision on his or her children—the children should think for themselves. Many scientists interviewed explicitly stated that they did not want to indoctrinate their children into atheism and so exposed their children to a diversity of religious communities.

Second – the most dominant reason – many of the scientists had a religious spouse who had a strong influence on how to raise their children. While this naturally required some negotiation, most of the scientists came from religious upbringings themselves and did not oppose a religious upbringing for their children.

more..see link

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Q-When-Do-Athei...

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Maybe...Those Atheists that are attending religious services every week,are doing so,in order to get a legitimate answer to the questions you posed.
Perhaps,those of your children who were raised as Atheists and have now converted to Believers ,did so,because they diligently searched for the truth,God revealed himself to them,answered those questions and much more.
After all,Madalyn O"hair's Atheist son became a believer and a Christian Minister
He who comes to me,I will in no wise cast out.
If ye diligently seek me,ye will find me,For I desire for none to be lost,
Praised be our God and Our Lord,Jesus Christ
The children of the athiest will learn the story of Noah's Ark is just a fable. Alot of people go to church for many different reasons.
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