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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 147223 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108401 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?
Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....
And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.
Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.
But, but , but Realities Hard.......

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108403 Jul 17, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
But, but , but Realities Hard.......
***chuckles***

I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.

“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.

It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.

So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
Bush ax

Glasgow, KY

#108404 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?
Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....
And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.
Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.
BAHAHAHAHA..... you are right!! I just answered you randomly to try and figure out the quotes. seriously. So how does that work? Like, if I had wanted to put what I am writing now with what you wrote about me not knowing the quote stuff?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108405 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
***chuckles***
I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.
“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
Yes and we can tell how the types of stars each element was processed through before it became you... We know that at least one Quasar and One Super nova was required to make you you....

Evolution started the Instant Physical Matter was converted from the Unified Indefinable Energy Quantum at least 14 Billion years ago... Each subatomic particle that self assembled in the universe was a step in the Evolution of man and all life... How ever you define life... And that is a moving target... Today Life exists from 60 below zero to 400 degrees above, live lives in oxygen and it lives in pure methane.... Live exists at pressures that would cause your blood to boil at altitude and pressures that would crush you like a semi running over a grape... Life Thrives in toxic acid baths and the hearts of nuclear reactors... And that is but Life as We Know It... A species that has been around for only a fraction of a tick of the cosmic clock.....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#108406 Jul 17, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
***chuckles***
I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.
“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
And interesting article Sorta on the subject...

http://news.yahoo.com/earths-gold-may-come-co...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#108407 Jul 18, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Seems that you conveniently overlooked the reasons for the decline
of Atheism..
Here is a reminder
Substantive challenges to naturalistic explanations for the origin of life;
Substantive challenges to psychological theories viewing religion as a pathology, and a scientific demonstration of the health benefits of a spiritual life;
Philosophical challenges to the presuppositions and axioms of atheism, such as materialism;
The decline of Marxism and Leninism;
Tenuousness of belief in atheism by many of its own believers;
Reduction in atheism and resurgence of theistic belief worldwide;
Inhuman acts committed by atheists throughout the 20th century;
No, I just know about McGrath and I know that theologians study fairy tales as if they were real. So I don't put much stock in what they say.

Let's look at this list and see just how serious these challenges are:

"Substantive challenges to naturalistic explanations for the origin of life"

No. I'm not aware of any "substantive" challenges on this matter other than the fact that studying an event or series of events billions of years in the past ain't easy. We are not likely to get an answer on this one anytime soon. Creationist loonies take that as support for their fairy tale.

"Substantive challenges to psychological theories viewing religion as a pathology, and a scientific demonstration of the health benefits of a spiritual life"

So? If you can demonstrate that being religious is healthy how on earth does that go against atheism? Atheism is rejection of the idea that a god or gods are real. You can adhere to a religious lifestyle and still be an atheist.

What does that say about god, other than god is irrelevant in the equation.

"Philosophical challenges to the presuppositions and axioms of atheism, such as materialism"

There are philosophical challenges to the idea that you are a real person. So the fact that there are philosophical challenges to atheism is neither shocking nor problematic. Philosophy is all about arguments. Good stuff!

"The decline of Marxism and Leninism"

I have no idea why this is on the list. Who gives a flying f*ck?

"Tenuousness of belief in atheism by many of its own believers"

Nobody "believes" in atheism. How many times have you read the definition of the word? Atheism is rejection of a belief, not the promotion of a belief. Do you understand the difference?

A lot of people have doubts about their faith in god. Does that mean I can use that fact as evidence against god? No, that's dumb. And so is this point.

"Reduction in atheism and resurgence of theistic belief worldwide"

I don't know what planet these authors are living on. The atheist/agnostic demographic has grown from less than 5% to over 15% in less than 20 years. During that time Evangelical Christianity has also grown while certain other sects have declined. Worldwide Christianity has grown because you guys keep going into African villages and converting them. Gotta love a religion that preys on the weakest people.

"Inhuman acts committed by atheists throughout the 20th century"

So? What does that have to do with atheism? Do you honestly believe the claptrap that Pol Pot killed millions because there was a god-shaped hole in his heart? Does that mean the millions killed over the years in religious conflicts are because god was involved? It seems like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. With god, you go to war. Without god, you go to war.

Hmm...what can that possibly mean?...
CivilLawsandEthi cs

London, KY

#108408 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't quite figured out how to use those pesky "QUOTE" AND "/QUOTE" symbols yet, have you?
Your "god" isn't much of a "god" if he didn't know Lucifer, along with 1/3 of his angel forces, was going to rebel.(according to the myth)
Omniscient? Guess not...
If your "god" knew about Lucifer and his plan, why didn't he stop him with a snap of the old magical fingers? He has to "wage war" on Lucifer? Really?
Omnipotent? Not so much....
And why should I defend Wicca? I am an atheist.
Wicca does indeed have better morals and a reverence for Nature that are more admirable than Christian values but I realized some time ago that the belief in anthropomorphized invisible beings is foolish.
Keep your primitive fears and superstitions. Go on believing that some imaginary parental figure is watching over you, judging you and will, in the end, punish or reward you.
Since there is no evidence for any of that, I'll take reality.
People can deny the existence of a "God" all they wish to, it doesn't change the FACT that there are good and kind people as well as bad, nasty people, no matter the "religious" belief or non belief.

And that is a REALITY of how and what people ARE JUDGED upon...through EVIDENCE of their OWN doings while on this earth.
Just some judge harder than others, and are far worse people than others.
But then that usually has a way of coming back around on the not so good and nasty types in more ways than one, while here on earth, eventually.
JustMeaness

London, KY

#108409 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
***chuckles***
I read this a few days ago and thought of you and the other science-minded (is that a word?) folks on this forum. It is quite touching.
“Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand.
It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust.
You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements – the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life – weren’t created at the beginning of time.
They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode.
So, forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today."
-- Lawrence Maxwell Krass
Too bad ignorance and meaness isn't comprised of "star dust" though huh?
JustMeaness

London, KY

#108410 Jul 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and we can tell how the types of stars each element was processed through before it became you... We know that at least one Quasar and One Super nova was required to make you you....
. A species that has been around for only a fraction of a tick of the cosmic clock.....
Kin yew splain to us how it izz dat all deez differnt containers of duh same elemental type of wallkin, tallkin mouf breaving type pixie DUHst ingwediants, can awrl be so'z differnt elsewise (yew know, outside of the realms of basic physic matter composition)

Do yewz have ter awlter yer doorways to fits yer them pompous blobs over OVER filled helium on yer shoulders through them?

OMG-just copy and paste post all the "SPECIES" in Periodic tables and point out the elements fo what's being discussed, in use...as shown for what it comprises--composition of the universe.

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Did you ever wonder what stars are made of? You might not be surprised to know that stars are made of the same stuff as the rest of the Universe: 73% hydrogen, 25% helium, and the last 2% is all the other elements. That’s it. Except for a few differences here and there, stars are made of pretty much the same stuff.

After the Big Bang, 13.7 billion years ago, the entire Universe was a hot dense sphere. The conditions inside this young Universe were so hot that it was equivalent to being inside the core of a star. In other words, the entire Universe was like a star. And for the brief time that the Universe was in this state, nuclear fusion reactions converted hydrogen into helium to the ratios we see today.

The Universe kept expanding and cooling down, and eventually the hydrogen and helium cooled down to the point that it could actually start collecting together with its mutual gravity. This is how the first stars were born. And just like the stars we have today, they were made up of roughly 73% hydrogen and 25% helium. These first stars were enormous and probably detonated as supernovae within a million years of forming. In their life, and in their death, these first stars created some of the heavier elements that we have here on Earth, like oxygen, carbon, gold and uranium.

Stars have been forming since the Universe began. In fact, astronomers calculate that 5 new stars form in the Milky Way every year. Some have more of the heavier elements left over from previous stars; these are metal-rich stars. Others have less of these elements; the metal-poor stars. But even so, the ratio of elements is still roughly the same. Our own Sun is an example of a metal rich star, with a higher than average amount of heavier elements inside it. And yet, the Sun’s ratios are very similar: 71% hydrogen, 27.1% helium, and then the rest as heavier elements, like oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, etc. Of course, the Sun has been converting hydrogen into helium in its core for 4.5 billion years.

Stars everywhere are made of the same stuff: 3/4 hydrogen and 1/4 helium. It’s the stuff left over from the formation of the Universe, and one of the most elegant pieces of evidence to help explain how we’re here today...

Frasier, C. "What are stars made of" Universetoday.com . 2/6/2009.

Footnote 1. Ahh 2009...back before the current admin had time to plunder, blunder, pillage and generally screw America over.)

Footnote 2. No "dying stars" requirement mentioned, for the formation of new ones to exist--just universal ELEMENTS already in existance.
Footnote 3. Yewr a maroon.
JustMeaness

London, KY

#108411 Jul 18, 2013
Annoyed wrote:
But alas, all we can do here is mingle and egg them on for fun
Maroons can fool some of the masses some of time, but not all of the masses all of the time.

Might want to tie a string onto Q and a couple of others toes, and twine them around some firmly rooted trees, so they don't float due to the abunDUNCE of hot air comprising the blob on they shoulders.
(and make sure there's no puddles of water around either, in case the other elements of BS compositional material is in float mode)
JustMeaness

London, KY

#108412 Jul 18, 2013
Carl Sagan wrote:
<quoted text>
If this message board promoted intelligent discussions and debates instead of a broken, anti-discussion 'judging' system - & didn't attract so many overweight, gossiping coal miners' wives, it could happen.
Hardly anyone on here can even tolerate someone with a different viewpoint than them.
Lets lessen the element of boron, it hard on the MOHs scale of rocks, that way we culd make sum better pliability in tolerance.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108413 Jul 18, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Tray shouldn't have bounced George's head off the street, what else can you expect? There were only two injuries on Tray, bruised knuckles and a bullet wound. Did you see the photos of George?
George started it and George ended it.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108415 Jul 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes and we can tell how the types of stars each element was processed through before it became you... We know that at least one Quasar and One Super nova was required to make you you....
Evolution started the Instant Physical Matter was converted from the Unified Indefinable Energy Quantum at least 14 Billion years ago... Each subatomic particle that self assembled in the universe was a step in the Evolution of man and all life... How ever you define life... And that is a moving target... Today Life exists from 60 below zero to 400 degrees above, live lives in oxygen and it lives in pure methane.... Live exists at pressures that would cause your blood to boil at altitude and pressures that would crush you like a semi running over a grape... Life Thrives in toxic acid baths and the hearts of nuclear reactors... And that is but Life as We Know It... A species that has been around for only a fraction of a tick of the cosmic clock.....
I agree that most people's idea of "Life" is far, far too narrow.
They are saying "Life, you know, like us" when the variety of possibilities of living creatures is endless.
The more we think we know, the more there is to learn.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#108416 Jul 18, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
And interesting article Sorta on the subject...
http://news.yahoo.com/earths-gold-may-come-co...
Thanks. Interesting.
I have never been a big fan of gold but I can see where that would make it pretty special.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#108417 Jul 18, 2013
GWB wrote:
<quoted text>Do Mormons believe speaking on tongues "glossolalia" also? If not then why not?
Yes, but I have never seen it in the manner that is described in the New Testament. It is said to have happened in the Kirkland Temple in the early days of the church.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#108418 Jul 18, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>In a sense, if we're talking about supernatural beliefs, you are correct. It is no more crazy to believe that Smith was shown to an ancient document by a magical creature than it is to believe that a superpowerful being created the world in 6 days.

But if we juxtapose these beliefs against the actual evidence and a realistic worldview they do in fact pale by comparison.

I believe Smith was a fraud. My belief is far more plausible than your belief because it does not introduce magic. We know frauds exist, we do not know angels exist. And there is no such thing as Reformed Egyptian.
You also believe Jesus was a fraud, so your opinion is not important to me.
CivlLawsandEthic s

London, KY

#108419 Jul 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
George started it and George ended it.
People have a right to protect themselves, their loved ones and everything else that goes along with that.

Was just talking with a friend who lives in Fla last night-her elderly female parent lives in a similar nieghborhood watch type community..and she and her friends are out "watching" peaceably, every night, armed with cell phones, to call the police (as Zimmerman did)at anytime, should suspect give reason to do so.

To think that those people, that LIVE in those communities, have any less right to be out walking (especially when compared to anyone who does NOT actually live in such) than anyone else-or any less right to protect themselves while doing such-is Insane...the insanity of the liberal toxicness of thieves, thugs and CONS who seem to think they have some sort entitleMENTALed (NON) right, to ANY one else's anything.

BOTH TM and GZ had civil "rights" to be out walking/driving that night.
Evidence shows, one chose to ABUSE that right, by ABUSING another human being, opting for initiating Violence, rather than abiding by civil law, and ignoring the right to have just kept walking.

SAD, but true...but not as patheTically disgusting as teenagers shooting a thirteen month old baby point blank in the face, to further their own self serving evil agendas of nothing but vile GREED.

Where's the "rioting and national media froth" for that type of EVILness and vileness, not only trying take the rights of OTHERS away, but vilely ruining the lives of TRULY innocent people.
DISGUSTING.

Baby shot dead in stroller; 2 Georgia teens charged with murder

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby...

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108420 Jul 18, 2013
CivlLawsandEthics wrote:
<quoted text>
People have a right to protect themselves, their loved ones and everything else that goes along with that.
Was just talking with a friend who lives in Fla last night-her elderly female parent lives in a similar nieghborhood watch type community..and she and her friends are out "watching" peaceably, every night, armed with cell phones, to call the police (as Zimmerman did)at anytime, should suspect give reason to do so.
To think that those people, that LIVE in those communities, have any less right to be out walking (especially when compared to anyone who does NOT actually live in such) than anyone else-or any less right to protect themselves while doing such-is Insane...the insanity of the liberal toxicness of thieves, thugs and CONS who seem to think they have some sort entitleMENTALed (NON) right, to ANY one else's anything.
BOTH TM and GZ had civil "rights" to be out walking/driving that night.
Evidence shows, one chose to ABUSE that right, by ABUSING another human being, opting for initiating Violence, rather than abiding by civil law, and ignoring the right to have just kept walking.
SAD, but true...but not as patheTically disgusting as teenagers shooting a thirteen month old baby point blank in the face, to further their own self serving evil agendas of nothing but vile GREED.
Where's the "rioting and national media froth" for that type of EVILness and vileness, not only trying take the rights of OTHERS away, but vilely ruining the lives of TRULY innocent people.
DISGUSTING.
Baby shot dead in stroller; 2 Georgia teens charged with murder
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/georgia-baby...
This case had nothing to do with random or wanton violence and your baby killing example is wholly immaterial.
It should have ended with Zimmerman calling the police, but instead HE escalated the situation - very likely because of the false bravado of being armed. Zimmerman is the one who chased Martin to within 70 yards of his door and Zimmerman was the one who initiated the confrontation.
I never claimed that he didn't have the right to defend his life, but there are many who believe that defending their THINGS gives them the personal liberty to inflict capital punishment. The essence of the "stand your ground" law is that even if you have an avenue of escape, you have the lawful right to cause grievous bodily injury and/or death if you feel your life is threatened. This being the case, did Martin not also have a lawful right to stand his ground?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#108421 Jul 18, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks. Interesting.
I have never been a big fan of gold but I can see where that would make it pretty special.
http://www.miho.or.jp/english/member/shangril...
CivlLawandEthics

London, KY

#108422 Jul 18, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
This case had nothing to do with random or wanton violence and your baby killing example is wholly immaterial.
It should have ended with Zimmerman calling the police, but instead HE escalated the situation - very likely because of the false bravado of being armed. Zimmerman is the one who chased Martin to within 70 yards of his door and Zimmerman was the one who initiated the confrontation.
I never claimed that he didn't have the right to defend his life, but there are many who believe that defending their THINGS gives them the personal liberty to inflict capital punishment. The essence of the "stand your ground" law is that even if you have an avenue of escape, you have the lawful right to cause grievous bodily injury and/or death if you feel your life is threatened. This being the case, did Martin not also have a lawful right to stand his ground?
Yeah, he had the right to head right back to the door where he was staying as a GUEST, rather than choosing the option of his spoken intent to "just bash on" a neighborhood watch person.

No common sense, already IN trouble (rather than IN school, IN is own neighborhood) returning to Guest lodging from purchasing purple drank ingrediants, met lacking in common sense too resident, out watching/looking for trouble.

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