Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#108151 Jul 7, 2013
care8741 wrote:
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Was that islamic song not going to be preformed in front of many people. Of course, it is a choice not to attend the concert, but what parent is going to refuse when their child is singing up on stage?
Not just the concert, but performing in the choir itself. From the article you presented:
"Students are not required to participate, and receive no academic credit for doing so,"

and

"The teacher consulted with students and asked each of them to review an online performance of the selection with their parents before making the decision to perform the piece," Kirtland said, and members who object to the religious content of musical selections aren't required to sing them."
care8741 wrote:
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It is also a choice not to attend a graduation ceramony. If the people didn't like what they heard, they could have got up and left. No one made a commotion about alah being mentioned in the choir song, so why did they about God being mentioned in a graduation speech?
But, someone did "raise a commotion" didn't they? Otherwise we wouldn't be discussing this now...would we?

Another excerpt from the article:
"At an upcoming concert, the choir is scheduled to sing an Irish folk song and an Christian song titled "Prayer of the Children," in addition to the song by Rahman."

A Christian song? So much for your "they don't mind Allah, but they won't allow Jesus" BS.

That aside, here's where I see a difference. A graduation speech is intended to be delivered to all graduates and should represent not only the orator's personal message but also reflect the values of the school itself. By being delivered at the graduation ceremony it is (by extension) a product of the school. This is why the speech's content should be reviewed (and approved) and if a public school, the content needs to be non-religious. The choir? Not so much.

Many (and I mean many) public schools allow groups to have religious based activities on school grounds, as long as these activities don't interfere with school functions. Since the choir is completely voluntary and doesn't involve any type of academic credit, why is it different?
care8741 wrote:
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Btw, I meant to spell alah and budahs names wrong, and I meant not to capatalize them as well, as I have no respect or reverence for these false gods.[QUOTE]
It only serves to make you look stupid, but if you're comfortable looking like an idiot than by all means continue. I guess this means you hold "ceremonies" in disdain as well?

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You may think you're playing a game, but I know better. The salvation of a soul is not a game and no laughing matter. I will not prove science to you. God gave you two eyes and ten fingers, which you should thank Him for. Look it up your self. Unless YOU haven't figured out how to really use the internet yet...
In other words, you have no evidence to support your claim. As I suspected.

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#108152 Jul 7, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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What does evolution have to do with "hypnosis"?
You claim evolution is a "fact". But you do not even know what "fact" it is.
State the "fact" of evolution, Moron. You cannot state the theory of evolution without looking it up, and after you look it up, your copy of it will likely be wrong.
I have never met anyone who could accurately state what the theory of evolution is. This is after decades of assholes like you telling us it is "fact".
That is a great advantage, as when there is no coherent theory, it cannot be disproven.
Yeah, that's a fact.
A fact is something so obviously true it would be ridiculous to deny it.

The reason evolution is considered a fact by most thinking people is because the evidence is so overwhelming it would be silly to deny it.

We could quibble over definitions all day long but in the end that is the truth of it.

Now, as the actual *theory* that explains evolution we cannot call that a fact. That is why the term "scientific theory" is used.

When a ball is dropped it falls to the ground. That is a fact. The theories of Newton and Einstein explain the fact.

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#108153 Jul 7, 2013
care8741 wrote:
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Note that the above poster completly disregarded the 1st & 2nd half of my post he comented on. That is because he knows it to be truth.
Child molesters and other criminals are, for the most part, NOT judged by society, when you look at the whole of society as the world.
Who can tell the mind of God? No one. Not even His Only Son, Jesus Christ. I am truly sorry if something in your life has made you think God does not punish the wicked in His own time, or that He has left you alone to deal. I do not have a good post about this, and I do not know what to say except that everything happens for a reason. If you are full of sorrow, if you are angry at God for the evil on this earth being able to rule, and not being swiftly handled, there is two books you should read. The first one is the Bible. It is very comforting. The second, The Shack, by William p. Young. I don't know if this one will help you. Your greif might be far worse. You may be blessed enough not to have experianced the greif that happened to the man in this book. I don't know your life, what is behind or what lies ahead. Every life has good and bad in it. The past is not to be forgotten; we are to learn from it. The future, however, should not be stained by the past. As for the present, make the most of it with the ones you love; and come to terms, in your own time, with God. His embrace will be there for you, when you are ready...
Whoah.

Geez, the problems with this. Where to begin?

First of all, how do you *know* anything at all about an all powerful being that does not show itself in any way other than giving you a warm and fuzzy feeling?

If you can't know the mind of god then you have a serious problem. You can't know that anything you believe is actually true. God has deceived people in the Bible. He has "hardened hearts" to make people change their minds. By that token you can't possibly know when he's telling the truth or lying.

If that's the case, you can't possibly know the path to salvation or even if salvation is a necessity at all.

Regarding suffering, this is the most powerful argument against the god of the Bible. Surely you are familiar with the classic Problem of Evil? If god is all powerful and suffering exists in the world then god wants people to suffer. By all possible human standards of morality that makes god either indifferent to suffering or outright evil.

I posted links a long while back to stories about kids being raped and killed. If even one child is raped and killed and god does not intervene what does that tell you about god?

And please don't hand me that "we can't know gods plans" bullsh*t. You know damn good and well that raping a kid is pretty much the definition of evil. If god doesn't stop it though he has the power to stop it then god is evil.
happy

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#108154 Jul 7, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sure you have proof.
Set down the bottle and back away...
U all are in serious denial. This post generating so many comments is what is amazing. Lol. GOD IS REAL. If He were not .. U would not b here..:-)
happy

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#108155 Jul 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The present that proof.
WE HAVE... Lol. U r still BLIND.. As a BAT lol
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#108156 Jul 7, 2013
Spaceship earth wrote:
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What reason would an atheist become God fearing? Some of the God fearing christians have converted to Islam and Judaism. Some of the God fearing Christians have abandoned the belief in God and become Atheist. So I don't think you have made a good point for a belief in a God.
Most christians believe that Armageddon will happen between now and 2018. If it does not within next ten years will you still believe in God?
Those who have a desire to know God will seek him.
The Parable of the Sower gives a simple and accurate assesment of the human condition.
Christ made mention that all who called him Lord would not enter into heaven and that there would be a FALLING AWAY FROM THE FAITH.
To you these events may come as a surprise,to me,they are not surprising,they were foretold.
I have no idea how you came to conclude what most Christians may or may not believe...
I do not think or worry about Armageddon.
My faith and beliefs are not based on any of the topics you have mentioned.
Many are called.but few respond.
I believe that your questions should be addressed to those in a better position to provide you with the answer you seek.
Studies show that 25 % of atheists attend religious services on a weekly basis.
They are searching for or fear somrthing
They must have very good reasons for feeling or believing that way... Maybe you should address your question to them.
curious

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#108157 Jul 7, 2013
beardie wrote:
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How does nature do it? Through evolution. Two genders only evolve respective of one another, because they are AROUND each other. Reproduction (not to be confused with sexual intercourse) is the survival of the species, and that is it. If you have trouble understanding this, then perhaps you should spend more time gardening. Life will do its damnest (sp?) to reproduce and survive. Example: If you have a greenhouse full of one gender of the same plant (let's say female), some of those plants will actually start growing male parts in order to reproduce. It doesn't grow a new male plant, it equips ONE plant with the essential parts, as its only concern is producing more plants, regardless of gender. Outside interference can do nothing to stop it, it happens on its own. The human species would be capable of the same thing, as witnessed in the depleting male sex gene.
Comparing plants and humans is a LOOOOOOOOONG stretch.You musta played 1st base on your baseball team.

Thanks for your answer. I did some research.
Turns out that those who arrived at the same conclusions as you did,did so,not by observing the plants,but by smoking them...

I also talked to a number of jail wardens.
Although their jails are full of men,no one has ever observed one of these men developing and growing female parts
Some may wannabe,but it don't work that way...

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#108158 Jul 7, 2013
curious wrote:
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Yes you do know such a thing,whether you post it under Spectacles or Chromiuman.
I do not need to call you a liar.
The lies you post,under either of the monokers you use,speak for themselves.
Anyhow,since you and I know that you are lying,it makes little difference...
Poor curious. If you weren't such a vile, hateful, little monster I'd probably feel actual sympathy for you. But, your incessant false accusations, insane ramblings threats, and just downright nastiness makes that nearly impossible.

Still, I'd like to know... what is it that you think I'm lying about?

And..you just admitted that you know Chromiuman and I are not the same person. Yet, you still make that accusation. Why is that? What do you think I stand to benefit from posting as two separate people?
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On the lighter side,to show that I harbor no hard feelings,let me extend this invitation,,
My name is Cliff,,,,Drop over sometime...
See what I mean? A rotten little monster, you are. Full of hate and wickedness.
curious wrote:
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ON A SERIOUS NOTE, I would suggest that you and your family attend religious services....
God desires that all be saved.....Who knows what the results might be if you gave him the opportunity to reveal himself....
Been there, done that. I've told you this before. I grew up believing in your god. I started questioning things when I was around 17.
My life has been improving ever since.
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#108159 Jul 7, 2013
If you feel "dog tired" at night, maybe it's because you "growled" all day.

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#108160 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Here is the definition of fact by websters. Now tell us how evolution does not fit this definition?

Definition of FACT
1
: a thing done: as
a obsolete : feat
b : crime <accessory after the fact>
c archaic : action
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archaic : performance, doing
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: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
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a : something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact>
b : an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
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: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact
: in truth
I didn't say evolution wasn't fact. I said we didn't come from apes. Just because evolution can occur within certain species doesn't mean we came from apes. That link I disagree with.

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#108161 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>What you fail to understand about what is considered a fact is, a fact might not be the truth.
Evolution is considered fact by the scientific community. Evolution is considered fact by the courts. Now lets say hypothetically that evolution is not the truth. This does not mean it is not considered a fact by the definition of the word.

Now you might consider god a fact, but god has zero evidence, so it really does not fit the definition of fact.

Now do I need to spell out what a scientific theory is?
Nothing in that definition says something requires evidence to be a fact. So based off of this definition, why doesn't God fit it?

But it does say that something is in actual existence to be a fact. Doesn't that mean truth?

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#108162 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>And what drives play? Instincts. Play is practice. This is why kids play. Play hones skills. Skills need to be sharp for survival. Survival is key for evolution.
Not in all cases. Some play just to play. Have you never had or seen an animal that just played?

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#108163 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I am not sure any species of animal hunts its own species for practice. I am quite sure when an animal hunts its own species, it has a reason, most usually to protect its territory, as I have said and you have continually ignored and diverted.

Observations of apes shows they will hunt down tribes in their surrounding territory, kill them and even eat them.
The hypothesis on this is, the cannibalism is to strike fear in the survivors to keep them out of the territory.

Now, just what about homosexuality is harming anyone to the point of comparing it to cannibalism?
You have to keep up here. If you are going to say that homosexuality is ok because animals do it, which makes it natural. Then by your logic you would be ok with humans killing someone from another "tribe" and eating them in front of the survivors. Because it's natural.

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#108164 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I never said humans should do what the animal kingdom does.
Again, you claimed homosexuality was not natural, I showed that it is by giving examples in nature.
Now if you wish to show homosexuality as immoral, then you need to show a reason why. You have yet to do so.

I can certainly agree that what is natural is not moral in any absolute manner. But that is not showing homosexuality as immoral.

Do you even know how to demonstrate what constitutes immorality?
You tried by claiming homosexuality was not natural, but that was proved wrong. So try another reason.
Moral is not a word I have used one single time in this thread. And no, just because animals get horny and satisfy themselves in a homosexual nature, does not make it natural. Nature would not survive unless the procreation all urges and powers had a purpose. So just because an animal gets his rocks off this way only proves how powerful the urge is, not that nature intended it to be that way.

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#108165 Jul 7, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>When the theory of evolution was first hypothesized has no relevancy in the fact it is a sound scientific theory that is thus considered fact.
The concept is considered a fact because all evidence found relating to the hypnosis confirms it as true.
Now if you wish to show it is wrong, then you must produce evidence that shows it as wrong. Claiming their is not enough missing links is not evidence at all. A lack of evidence is not evidence. This is why no one can prove god does not exist. Their is zero evidence against a god existing.
Now their is no evidence showing a god exists, so it cannot be considered a scientific theory.
Evidence can be shown some of the claims of god are false. This is what I often show in my case against god.

So you might consider a 'hypothesis' a hunch, but a 'scientific theory' is not a hunch.
I didn't mention any particular subject when discussing facts and theory. What started us talking about fact and theory though was someone saying it was fact that people are born gay. To which I said the scientific community has said there is no conclusive evidence that confirms this. I didn't make that up. You are free to look it up yourself.
There are some scientists that say yes and some no. But if all are using the scientific method correctly, they would come up with the same conclusion, but this has not happened.

But if you want to talk about evolution, there is no conclusive evidence that man came from apes either. There is a missing link that keeps anyone from calling that fact. There is some evidence that many call compelling, but not conclusive.

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#108166 Jul 7, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You probably have all the bishops of the church wondering why they even let you in the door. Your total lack of education is something more fit for Westboro.
Lack of education in what subject kitty?
I've never had any problem with my education at church. Maybe you misplaced or misused your insult.

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#108167 Jul 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You have to keep up here. If you are going to say that homosexuality is ok because animals do it, which makes it natural. Then by your logic you would be ok with humans killing someone from another "tribe" and eating them in front of the survivors. Because it's natural.
No.

I'll jump in on this one. I'm not sure what the other poster actually said but I don't know anyone who advances the argument that BECAUSE animals do it, then it's OK.

Here is the actual argument. Many bigots argue that homosexuality is not natural, its a behavioral choice. We point to studies showing animals doing it *in support of* our argument that it is natural.

"In support of" is different from "because of". For example, the extremely close DNA relationship between humans and chimps *supports* the fact that we evolved from common ancestors. But it does not mean we evolved from common ancestors *because of* our close DNA match with chimps.

Different lines of evidence come together to lend support to an idea or to go against it. All lines of evidence lead to the fact that homosexuality is not a chosen sexual orientation. The fact that animals do it too is *part of* that body of evidence.

See what I mean?

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#108168 Jul 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Moral is not a word I have used one single time in this thread. And no, just because animals get horny and satisfy themselves in a homosexual nature, does not make it natural. Nature would not survive unless the procreation all urges and powers had a purpose. So just because an animal gets his rocks off this way only proves how powerful the urge is, not that nature intended it to be that way.
"Moral" is a judgement you make all the time - you just don't spell it with 5 letters.
Play is natural, procreation is natural. You are making the argument against recreational sex with your spouse because it is not strictly for procreation and it is therefore immoral and unnatural.

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#108169 Jul 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I didn't mention any particular subject when discussing facts and theory. What started us talking about fact and theory though was someone saying it was fact that people are born gay. To which I said the scientific community has said there is no conclusive evidence that confirms this. I didn't make that up. You are free to look it up yourself.
There are some scientists that say yes and some no. But if all are using the scientific method correctly, they would come up with the same conclusion, but this has not happened.
But if you want to talk about evolution, there is no conclusive evidence that man came from apes either. There is a missing link that keeps anyone from calling that fact. There is some evidence that many call compelling, but not conclusive.
No.

The scientific evidence dispels the idea that homosexuality is chosen. You are correct that it does not prove conclusively that no choice is involved.

Human sexuality is largely a social concept as well as biological. It is immensely complex. That is why there is disagreement.

But for the most part the scientific community is overwhelmingly against the bigot's argument that gays choose to be gay. It ain't that simple, bro. Sorry to break it to ya.

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#108170 Jul 7, 2013
happy wrote:
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U all are in serious denial. This post generating so many comments is what is amazing. Lol. GOD IS REAL. If He were not .. U would not b here..:-)
Set down the bottle and back away....

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