Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 135,158

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#107931 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
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It is a fact that trying to explain God's creation by using a foolish theory as proposed by some scientists and Evolutionists is an attempt to insult the intelligence of even the lowest form of intellect.
The nonliving can not create life.
Non intelligence can not create intelligence.
Evolutionists and atheists are good at creating and spreading nonsense and giberish.
They can not accept that there is an intelligent being capable of creating the universe,life and everything therein.
They will accept that those events happened by accident.
Problem is,they are unable to explain those accidents...
Other than; 3 billion years ago,on a saturday afternoon at 4:20 PM
something happened that created life...
500 million years ago,on the eleventeenth of May,another unobserved and undocumented event took place in the region known as lower Slobovia.
A VERTEBRATE HAD A FREAK ACCIDENT and there statrted the beginings of intelligence.
Now ,if you weill excuse me,I will get back to watching the Wizard Of Oz.
I like the part where the house falls on the wicked witch in the woods.
By the way,Did ya know?
70 % of chidren raised by atheist parents will become religiously affiliated in their adult life...
I don't think your 70% statistic is accurate. Children of non-religious parents are far more likely to be non-religious according to all the statistics I've ever heard.

The rest of your post is silly. You're using my language (it is a fact that...) to simply assert your opinion. When I say something is a fact it is not my opinion. The evidence that life evolved is so overwhelming that even in 1880 virtually everyone with half a brain or more accepted it. Very few things are so well-supported by evidence.

It is the Modern Synthesis, the Theory of Evlution, that cannot be called a fact. Theories are not facts, theories explain facts.

Jimmy drives his car off a bridge. Fact. Jimmy was probably drunk, based on the fact that he was seen drinking by all his friends. Theory.

When the theory explains the facts in such a compelling way and no evidence can be brought that counters the theory then that theory is accepted.

Its the way it works, bro. You'll just have to learn to live with it. If you don't like it get yourself your own theory. Run it up the flagpole and see who salutes.

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#107932 Jul 4, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
There seems to be a problem with your link. Specifically, it points to a page called " rushlimbaugh.com ". Clicking it would make my computer dumber.

And morally crippled.

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#107933 Jul 4, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I'm ok with teaching that evolution occurs, while providing examples that have been proven. But apes to humans have not been proven yet, so it should be taught as a theory. Just as whether you are born gay or not has not been proven yet, it should be taught that it is a theory, and then present the evidence that leads some to believe it.
Wrong, dude. You're just wrong.

The theory of evolution is taught as a theory, which means it is accepted science. The fact of evolution itself should be taught as a fact, because that's what it is.

It does not matter which species we're talking about. Humans are not some special creation that exists outside the scope of the natural world. If we can with certainty that animals evolved from other animals then guess which animal also fits into that category? Bingo. You and me.

There is a fallacious way of thinking that comes from the Creationist side of this argument. The fallacy is that if science has not yet explained something then science CANNOT explain it and therefore God created everything in accordance with the Bible. That is the implication to all these silly arguments over evolution.

Imagine this. A bunch of people believe that aliens cause autism. They point to some cobbled up graph showing the reports of UFOs and the instances of autism near the UFO sighting spots. When rightfully called idiots, they ask for an immediate explanation of how autism comes to be. Since our current understanding of autism is not absolutely complete they say "Ah-hah!! You can't answer my question...therefore aliens cause autism".

That is EXACTLY what Creationism does. Every. Single. Time.

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#107934 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
DOES ANYONE CARE TO EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING
Biology texts illustrate amoebas evolving into intermediate organisms, which then give rise to amphibians, reptiles, mammals, and, eventually, humans. Yet, we never learn exactly when or how independent male and female sexes originated. Somewhere along this evolutionary path, both males and females were required in order to ensure the procreation that was necessary to further the existence of a particular species. But how do evolutionists explain this? When pressed to answer questions such as,“Where did males and females actually come from?,”“What is the evolutionary origin of sex?,” evolutionists become silent. How could nature evolve a female member of a species that produces eggs and is internally equipped to nourish a growing embryo, while at the same time evolving a male member that produces motile sperm cells? And, further, how is it that these gametes (eggs and sperm) conveniently “evolved” so that they each contain half the normal chromosome number of somatic (body) cells?[Somatic cells reproduce via the process of mitosis, which maintains the species’ standard chromosome number; gametes are produced via the process of meiosis, which halves that number.
Ah yes, another "You can't explain this, therefore God did it" post.

Here's a little insight about science: it is a work in progress. We don't have a magic book with all the answers. Actually, neither do you but you don't seem to understand that fact.

Here's some light reading on the subject of sexual evolution:

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/sexu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_se...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/...

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#107935 Jul 4, 2013
do whut wrote:
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And which ancestor is this that we split from?
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious. Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......

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#107936 Jul 4, 2013
do whut wrote:
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And which ancestor is this that we split from?
That's a great question if you're asking it in earnest. But if it is a rhetorical trick then it's dumb. We don't know a LOT of stuff about the world, but that does not mean we know nothing and it damn sure does not lend evidence to any alternate ideas such as Creationism.

Steve says he saw an animal in the woods. Dave says it was Bigfoot. Steve says no, it was not Bigfoot. Just some animal. Dave asks Steve "Do you know what animal it was?" and Steve answers honestly, "Not really. Didn't get a good look at it."

Dave says "Then it was Bigfoot."

And there you have Creationism in a nutshell.

But about human origins:

http://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/intro-hu...

"Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa -- chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas -- share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa."

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#107937 Jul 4, 2013
Father God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit... Do what you want with america, I'm moving to canada!

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#107938 Jul 4, 2013
Happy 4th of July, Everyone!!!

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#107939 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
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It is a fact that trying to explain God's creation by using a foolish theory as proposed by some scientists and Evolutionists is an attempt to insult the intelligence of even the lowest form of intellect.
The nonliving can not create life.
Non intelligence can not create intelligence.
Really? Got any evidence for this claim or is this just religious propaganda you think has somehow been proven?

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#107940 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
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Evolutionists and atheists are good at creating and spreading nonsense and giberish.
They can not accept that there is an intelligent being capable of creating the universe,life and everything therein.
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And the religious cannot accept their may not be an intelligent being capable of creating the universe, life and everything therein.

Maybe if you had a drop of evidence this supposed creator actually existed, I could accept it, but you have ZERO.

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#107941 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
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They will accept that those events happened by accident.
Problem is,they are unable to explain those accidents...
And your problem is, you cannot explain how a god created. You cannot even show this mystical being. The being you speak of has absolutely zero evidence of existence. ZERO! So expecting us to believe your tall tale is irrational.

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#107942 Jul 4, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Is this a Poe? Poe's Law states that Fundamentalist beliefs are so silly you can't tell them apart from satire. If you are making a joke, bravo! Nice post.
If you are serious then that's pretty scary.
Hmm...I read the Bible and you're right! The chapter that explains the reason for nested hierarchies of species really is better than evolution. And the way the Bible clarifies the morphological and DNA distribution across populations really does a better job than science can do. I didn't realize Moses knew so much about mitochondria!
No, I'm not a poe... I am serious. And you are very right to be scared. Anyone who is traveling down a path like yours should be petrified... not for the path it's self, but for the judging God whom lies ahead...

It dosn't have to be this way, though! The Bible says that God loves this ol' world so much, that He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ, to be spat on, whipped, humiliated, layed on a board and nails pounded through His skin and flesh, and a spear thrust in His side. And for what? What crime did He do? Murderers and child molesters don't get treated as horrid! Jesus Christ was persicuted, tortured, and killed because He stood up for us. God didn't want us all to have to go to Hell, so He gave us a choice: Do as we wish, say He dosn't exist, pull your little scientific theory of evolution out of your hat(btw, Creationism has also been scientificly proved); or just believe. Believe in Father God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit. Believe that God sent His Son to save us from our sins. Read the Bible, believe it, do what it says. And pray:

Father God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit,

I am a sinner. I know Jesus came down to the world to save me from my sins. I accept the gift. Please, forgive me! I have done so much wrong in my life that it weighs me down. I want you to lead me. I want to be made new. Come in to my heart and I will do what you say. I Love you. I believe... now I believe.

In Jesus Christ's Name I pray... Amen

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#107943 Jul 4, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong, dude. You're just wrong.

The theory of evolution is taught as a theory, which means it is accepted science. The fact of evolution itself should be taught as a fact, because that's what it is.

It does not matter which species we're talking about. Humans are not some special creation that exists outside the scope of the natural world. If we can with certainty that animals evolved from other animals then guess which animal also fits into that category? Bingo. You and me.

There is a fallacious way of thinking that comes from the Creationist side of this argument. The fallacy is that if science has not yet explained something then science CANNOT explain it and therefore God created everything in accordance with the Bible. That is the implication to all these silly arguments over evolution.

Imagine this. A bunch of people believe that aliens cause autism. They point to some cobbled up graph showing the reports of UFOs and the instances of autism near the UFO sighting spots. When rightfully called idiots, they ask for an immediate explanation of how autism comes to be. Since our current understanding of autism is not absolutely complete they say "Ah-hah!! You can't answer my question...therefore aliens cause autism".

That is EXACTLY what Creationism does. Every. Single. Time.
Your response is irrelevant to mine, and doesn't make what I said any less true.
What I said was teach as fact, that which is fact, and teach as theory, that which is theory. How can anyone dispute that?

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#107944 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
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Other than; 3 billion years ago,on a saturday afternoon at 4:20 PM
something happened that created life...
500 million years ago,on the eleventeenth of May,another unobserved and undocumented event took place in the region known as lower Slobovia.
A VERTEBRATE HAD A FREAK ACCIDENT and there statrted the beginings of intelligence.
Now ,if you weill excuse me,I will get back to watching the Wizard Of Oz.
These are not sciences claims, but I get that it is what your propaganda tells you science says.
When you wish to debate truthfully and like an adult, I will be glad to go over the details. But it is hard to debate claims that are not even the claims we hold.

The wizard of Oz fits the story of god perfectly. I see no connection to evolution here. Care to demonstrate?

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#107945 Jul 4, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious. Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......
Nice insightful answer. Exactly the type of answer I'd expect from someone who has no clue.

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#107946 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
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Now ,if you weill excuse me,I will get back to watching the Wizard Of Oz.
I like the part where the house falls on the wicked witch in the woods.
I like the part when the tall tale claims the world was flooded and Sodom burned.
You know, the parts where it claims god murdered all the babies on the entire planet. You worship a mass murderer.

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#107947 Jul 4, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Nice insightful answer. Exactly the type of answer I'd expect from someone who has no clue.
Lets be truthful, you're an idiot and it's obvious. Your holyhatebible should be no where near public schools........respect a religie.......not gonna happen........ Remember......

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#107948 Jul 4, 2013
care8741 wrote:
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No, I'm not a poe... I am serious. And you are very right to be scared. Anyone who is traveling down a path like yours should be petrified... not for the path it's self, but for the judging God whom lies ahead...
It dosn't have to be this way, though! The Bible says that God loves this ol' world so much, that He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ, to be spat on, whipped, humiliated, layed on a board and nails pounded through His skin and flesh, and a spear thrust in His side. And for what? What crime did He do? Murderers and child molesters don't get treated as horrid! Jesus Christ was persicuted, tortured, and killed because He stood up for us. God didn't want us all to have to go to Hell, so He gave us a choice: Do as we wish, say He dosn't exist, pull your little scientific theory of evolution out of your hat(btw, Creationism has also been scientificly proved); or just believe. Believe in Father God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit. Believe that God sent His Son to save us from our sins. Read the Bible, believe it, do what it says. And pray:
Father God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit,
I am a sinner. I know Jesus came down to the world to save me from my sins. I accept the gift. Please, forgive me! I have done so much wrong in my life that it weighs me down. I want you to lead me. I want to be made new. Come in to my heart and I will do what you say. I Love you. I believe... now I believe.
In Jesus Christ's Name I pray... Amen
Yep, god in a jesus suit loves a sinner.

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#107950 Jul 4, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I like the part when the tall tale claims the world was flooded and Sodom burned.
You know, the parts where it claims god murdered all the babies on the entire planet. You worship a mass murderer.
Agreed, god is the most beloved mass murderer in the entire fairyland realm.

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#107951 Jul 4, 2013
curious wrote:
DOES ANYONE CARE TO EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING
Biology texts illustrate amoebas evolving into intermediate organisms, which then give rise to amphibians, reptiles, mammals, and, eventually, humans. Yet, we never learn exactly when or how independent male and female sexes originated. Somewhere along this evolutionary path, both males and females were required in order to ensure the procreation that was necessary to further the existence of a particular species. But how do evolutionists explain this? When pressed to answer questions such as,“Where did males and females actually come from?,”“What is the evolutionary origin of sex?,” evolutionists become silent. How could nature ev
Silent? Not exactly, but that is likely what your religious propaganda is claiming we do.
My question is, if science does not yet know all the answers, must it mean god did it?
Males and females evolved as a slow differentiation of sexually reproducing species.
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
To understand this, remember that sexual reproduction does not require separate sexes. There are many species of both plants and animals that reproduce sexually, but have no dedicated sexes. Either all individuals of the species have both male and female organs, or they will change from male to female at different times of their lives, or based on temperature during incubation, or a slightly different hormonal environment. So it is not difficult for individuals of some species to slowly get more and more differentiated.
So start with the development of sexual reproduction. This just means that gametes from one individual combine with the gametes of a second individual to form a new individual.
And second, none of these development had to be sudden. There did not have to be a sudden transition from asexual reproduction to one with sexual reproduction (as both can exist simultaneously in the same species); and there did not have to be a sudden transition from a species without sexual organs to one with (as sexual organs are just organs for better production, spreading, and fertilizing of gametes); and third, there did not have to be a sudden transition from a species without males and females to one where individuals only have one kind of sex organ or the other depending on genetics.
To give a single example that illustrates both of these points, look at the slime mold amoeba. It reproduces both asexually and sexually. Normally the amoebas just divide asexually ... so all the amoebas in a colony are clones of the same individual. But when resources get scarce, the amoebas congregate and produce a stalk with a fruiting body at the top filled with spores ... gametes (haploid versions of the amoeba cells). This bursts, releasing the spores (gametes) into the air, which encounter other spores (gametes) from other colonies, fertilize, and start a new colony.
The stalk and fruiting body can be considered the beginnings of a "sexual organ" ... it is a structure designed for the mass-production, and release of gametes.
But the main point is that this shows how there can be a slow transition from asexual reproduction to a *combination* of asexual and sexual reproduction, to a dedicated *sexually reproducing* species.
Second, once sexual reproduction is established, then the next step is the slow differentiation between "male" gametes (smaller, and better suited for mass-production and release), and "female" gametes (larger, and better suited for being fertilized and beginning the process of cell replication).
Third, once the gametes have differentiated, then organs will start specializing in the production of one or the other ... i.e. organs for making and releasing "male" gametes, and for making and protecting "female" gametes and making fertilization more successful.
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