Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Leviticus 20:13
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13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
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9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 12:17-19
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17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
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do whut wrote:
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There is a case right now of a father and a daughter who were separated when she was young. They met, formed a sexual relationship, then found out they were related.
They are trying to prove that there is a biological attraction there because they are blood related, when in most cases, if they had been able to stay together, forms a mental block that tells the brain that person is off limits. Kinda like if your sister was hot, you'd still think she was gross. But if you were separated, you wouldn't see it that way. In other words, they are trying to prove that this is natural, and biologically sound.
You have a link? Please post.

I'll be totally honest. I've given it some thought and if two brothers, for example, wanted to have a relationship I cannot find a reason to say it is wrong or illegal. It does seem to be a situation in which nobody can get hurt as a *necessary* result of the relationship.

However, when a man and a woman get together we all know that babies can come out of the mix. And doing a very quick survey of the data it seems like there is a shockingly high percentage of birth defects and mortality involved with offspring of closely-related people. It isn't quite as high with brother-sister unions but with parent-offspring unions the numbers are very high (like 20% or more?).

So we have a serious problem, I think. There seems to be no moral argument against incest that I can think of. Therefore my instinct would be to allow it. To each his own, you know.

But the incredibly high rate of birth defects seems compelling enough that it would be justified to prevent inbreeding somehow. But that gets us into sticky territory. Body autonomy is very important. If I want to have a baby it is not your business. Yet if we know that there is a 25% chance my baby will be horribly disfigured or will die shortly after birth maybe there is some argument that could be made to limit my right to have a child.

I don't know. That's a really tricky one. Again, I don't see it rising to the level of a genuine public debate. There are just too many things stacked against it and not nearly enough people interested in it. And it is not a sexual orientation, as I said before.

In terms of its relationship to the gay marriage issue, this is nothing but a dumb red herring meant to scare people. But it is an interesting topic to pursue on its own merits.

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No, it really isn't. No matter how bad you want it to be.
So lets have your answer. Are you ok with all forms of incest being legal and supported because they are consenting adults?
No, I am not. But this has nothing to do with the price of rice in China.

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So you should have witnessed one killing for a reason other than food.
Yes, for practice and honing their skills, and domain, traits that are beneficial to a species.
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<quoted text>Your stance on gay marriage is not a defense for homosexuals. It is an attack on their equality.
I am sure many slave owners claimed a few black persons as their friends also.
What a crock!
Yer ok with planned murder of minority children, and claim crap like this...
We (Christians) will not hunt down, and kill gays!
It's you liberals like Margret Sanger that placed those murder clinics in strategic locations, and then tell them it's ok to kill their Babies if the want to!
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Shouldn't all scientists use the same process to come up with the same answer?
Not ALL of the WANT the same answer!
Darkness hates the Light!
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the = them...
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The threats to humanity were posed by the Atheist regimes of Joe Stalin, Benito Mussolini,Mao Ze Dung ,Pol Pot and other Atheists.
These are responslble for the deatha of hundreds of millions of innocent civilians.
History will confirm that it was the Chrisdtian Western World that prevented our planet from being overrun by the heathen hordes...
Whatever all of you might claim as to your excuses for being here,you are wasting your time.
No one knows who you are,what your plan of action is,where you may be reached, what you might hope to accomplish and how that might be achieved.
Your audience is composed of under 10 Christians who will totally disregard the foolishness you are so fond of spouting
So,,,,,,What have you accomplished these many years of spreading foolish ideas to an audience that places your credibility between --0 and O.
It is not our responsibility to provide you with evidence.
If you want evidence,it is your responsibility to search for it.
Great post!
Actually it's way less than 0, Amen!
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And there in lies the rub... And the down fall of a society is the end result of your view.. We have seen pockets within the country where such views have led to their own demise and the falling of entire civilizations in the past due to such views becoming wide spread...
And of course you don't give a damn what I and others think about such things as long as you understand I and others don't give a crap about what you think about such things and will continue to push back against the destruction of the nation...
Great post Q...
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By "consumed" you mean posting on Topix occasionally? Really?
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"Heartaches?" LOL! You are a hoot.
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Nope. My mind knows what it's doing. My "spirit" and "heart" don't think for me.
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Nope. There is no "he who judges the heart and mind."
But thanks for sharing your delusion.
Just go ahead, and wait... you'll curse yourself in the end!
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This country was founded on Christian principle. we survived many years through thick and thin keeping God as our foundation beliefs. Have you noticed how we started slipping since that atheist woman named Madelyn Murphy started the atheist feeling so many years ago.
Before she died she repented of her sins and ask JESUS to forgive and save her soul. Pretty ironic isn't it? He never turns you down like we do HIM. John 3;16
Great post Wayne... God Bless :-)
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<quoted text>You have yet to even be specific about what my view is that is so detrimental to society? Still being vague.
I do not care about your feelings when they are being as bigoted as they are. I care about what others think, just not bigots.
You have yet to show evidence for any of your claims. But they are so darn vague, I could hardly even call them claims.
You need to learn you some tolerance there Mikey... Your hypocritical bigotry is showing!
Oh wait... I forgot that with you guys...
Tolerance is a "ONE WAY" street!
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Hey! Don't you be judging either!
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<quoted text>My heart speaks to me. Usually right after I eat a half pound of bacon.
Do you need interpretation of what your heart is telling you, or do you full understand what's it saying?

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<quoted text>Not ALL of the WANT the same answer!
Darkness hates the Light!
Darkness is the absence of photons. "It" doesn't hate anything.

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<quoted text>Do you need interpretation of what your heart is telling you, or do you full understand what's it saying?
It's saying, "If you feel pains in your chest, call 911."

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Because it's not supported by any evidence.
You've never seen my cat with an anole.

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You asked Q about the slippery slope. Polygyny would most likely be next, followed by incest, and I would wager, it will eventually come to human and animal. And in maybe 200 years people will be considered bigots for not wanting incest and beastiality to occur.
You wager god is real and Joe Smith found gold tablets with writings of a deity, so your judgement is highly suspect.
I do not wager beastiality will be socially acceptable even in two hundred years. And are you really trying to keep homosexuals from marrying due to fears of what will occur two hundred years in the future?
You can try to justify your bigotry if you wish, it is what all bigots do.
You are on the wrong side of equality, and as long as you are, I will protest your beliefs. I will inform all of how the god you worship is but a myth. Atheism is on the rise, and this is one large reason why.

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You asked Q about the slippery slope. Polygyny would most likely be next, followed by incest, and I would wager, it will eventually come to human and animal. And in maybe 200 years people will be considered bigots for not wanting incest and beastiality to occur.
I would wager your bigoted beliefs are pushing more people away from your religion than pulling them in.
Atheism is growing faster than Mormonism.

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That's not 100% true. Some animals kill for fun.
A well fed dog that kills chickens, the whole coop at once with no desire to eat them and they are not presenting a threat.
And the animal that kills for fun and just for sport the most,,, HUMANS! Case closed.
Domestic cats.

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Incest in the Animal Kingdom is very normal.... all needed is to check out the local deer populations, cat population and wild dog and wolf populations inner family procreation is prevalent in all social animal groups in the wild...
OK, I looked this up and their is some truth to your statement. I say "some" because it is not healthy for most animals, but a few species do mate this way.
Clearly in humans it is not a healthy way to reproduce.

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