Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 135,202

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107680 Jun 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Many Animals kill for Sport....
If by "sport" you mean practice, then yes, that sometimes occurs. A kitten might fight a bug scurrying around to hone his skills to hunt.
Their is a hypothesis that says humans play all sports to satisfy the instinct to hunt.
What is fun and how do we get pleasure from hunting? It all seems to boil down to our instincts.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107681 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I don't claim to know either, but the religious claim to know, yet have zero evidence.
Part of a full life is to enjoy life. If that includes putting some money and effort into understanding non critical studies in science, so be it.
The main thing slowing progress in the global warming issue is the right wingers who are in denial about many sciences. You know, the kind that deny homosexuality is natural.
yes, and some of the worst ones are Republicans who were or are on the science and technology committees in the House and Senate. They are anti-science.

As for the scientists enjoying life by studying the immediate after events of the big bang, let them do it on their own money, not mine. Same with all the generals and neocons who enjoy making wars in the mideast. Same on all the women seeking abortions after not using birth control in consensual sexual relationships (they have the right, but not with my tax money). Same with all the damned animal experiments that torture and kill animals in the name of science. They are letting some of the chimps go. I do not respect socalled science based upon torture of animals. Let them experiment on human first-degree murderers, instead of animals, and instead of giving the murderers the death penalty.
Curiosity - even intellectual curiosity - are often attributes of folks with socalled scientific abilities, and compassion is not required of them in too many cases. Look at how Oppy finally realized what he had done and was bent down with the weight of it, almost literally.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107682 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, and I am also of the camp of non-conventional notions about free will.
I think racism and the sort, are offshoots of our instinctive behavior pattern, keeping outsiders from our territory.
Race can distinguish groups, but it does not determine if the group is hostile or friendly.
Have you been watching the Zimmerman trial, and the news about how many people on so called social media are attacking the black high school girl who was on the phone with the victim, when he was being stalked by Zimmerman? Did you know the judge refused to dismiss a prospective juror for cause when the juror said she had seen news about black people having "riots" about the case? The case is doomed from the start both by the horrid Florida law, and by the judge, and the consequent jury with no black persons on it - though the defense could get black prospective jurors off the jury.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107683 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Can you tell us which animal does this, other than humans?
I have heard of no study that makes this claim.
that was to du what, and I suspect some cats play with mice and birds because they are challenged by the motion, and do not eat them afterwards. I am not even sure if they intend to kill, in some cases. There certainly is no evidence of hatred in their killing, in such cases, at least.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107684 Jun 29, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> yes, and some of the worst ones are Republicans who were or are on the science and technology committees in the House and Senate. They are anti-science.
As for the scientists enjoying life by studying the immediate after events of the big bang, let them do it on their own money, not mine. Same with all the generals and neocons who enjoy making wars in the mideast. Same on all the women seeking abortions after not using birth control in consensual sexual relationships (they have the right, but not with my tax money). Same with all the damned animal experiments that torture and kill animals in the name of science. They are letting some of the chimps go. I do not respect socalled science based upon torture of animals. Let them experiment on human first-degree murderers, instead of animals, and instead of giving the murderers the death penalty.
Curiosity - even intellectual curiosity - are often attributes of folks with socalled scientific abilities, and compassion is not required of them in too many cases. Look at how Oppy finally realized what he had done and was bent down with the weight of it, almost literally.
Well that is a lot of issues in one post.
Testing on humans is cruel and unusual punishment. The death penalty is cruel and unusual punishment in my book. Testing on animals is cruel also.

You have the right protest what the government spends money on, and you can vote to push your views. Keep in mind, no one person will get all of his wishes here. Utopia is an impossibility.

Abortion is seen as a health right because it actually is. Some pregnancies can lead to almost certain death. The only person who is allowed to make this absolute determination is the mother.

I am not sure how much money the government is spending on the big bang, but I doubt it is much if any.
NASA's budget for a year would cover about two weeks of war in Iraq.
I think if we spent less on war and more on any science, the problems you are concerned with would be addressed as part of this spending.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#107685 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Incest is not natural. Homosexual behavior is prevalent in nature, but incest is not. Incest is prevalent in the bible though. In fact, the claim of the bible shows all humans are the product of two relationships of incest, Adam and Eve, and Noah and his family.
Incest is known to result in deformations in offspring. This alone will keep it off the list of what our government will condone.
Incest in the Animal Kingdom is very normal.... all needed is to check out the local deer populations, cat population and wild dog and wolf populations inner family procreation is prevalent in all social animal groups in the wild...
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#107687 Jun 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
The whole history of modern Fundamentalists denying science is pretty interesting. I think it was the cast in the 19th century that most religious people (most people) accepted science pretty firmly. But this was because science had not yet really stepped on their religious toes very much. Then Darwin comes along and BAM.
No place for god? The Fundies do have a problem with that. Although I'm not exactly sure where the value for "god" could be inserted into any formulas to arrive at a meaningful answer...
http://www.newciv.org/pic/nl/artpic/10/1953/S...
part of the most recent antiscience history is of the GOP alliance between the rich fossil fuel corporations and individuals, and the fundie Christians as put together by Tom Delay. Greed was wed to fundie Christianity, and they got along very well - and still do. Of course there are a few environmentally friendly evangelicals who deserve great credit, and a few stewardship type Christians who are of the more moderate (and quiet( variety.

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#107688 Jun 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>Do whut?

I'm not sure what you mean. Pride in what? And what is it standing in the way of? Kolob? A new set of undies with runes on them? Membership to an overtly racist and homophobic organization that will demand 10% of my money as well as my intellectual integrity?
Pride in your own opinions separates you from God.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107689 Jun 29, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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Hehehee....plus the fact that you are on the West Coast.
You could go to bed at midnight and still be up 3 hours later than most of the country.
BTW, I enjoy your posts. You are a knowledgable kitty.
Thank you. I enjoy how you make some of the morons' heads explode so easily, almost poetic.

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#107690 Jun 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>So? Where does your slippery slope fallacy stop slipping?

I assume you are old. Were you concerned when it became universally legal for blacks to marry whites? Oh, next thing you know Mexicans will want to marry Kentuckians!

If polygamists, of which there probably aren't that many, want to pursue their case then let them pursue it. If their case is compelling then guess what? We'll allow polygamy at some point. If their case fails the test then we won't.

You can't freeze-frame society at the moment when Ward Cleaver walks in the door and supper is on the table. It doesn't work that way.
Then next is incest. Are you ok with that? Father marrying daughter and having children together, etc.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107691 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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That's not 100% true. Some animals kill for fun
I suppose asking for evidence of this is too much to ask. As of yet this has never been witnessed, nor documented, as far as I know.
do whut wrote:
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How is it that sexuality must be determined by genes?
That's the puzzle, which specific chemicals produced by the DNA are responsible for the development of sexual attraction has yet to be determined. It is something hardwired into the brain, not something you can change, that has been demonstrated by various studies.

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#107692 Jun 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know. It's a good question. I think we need to maximize liberties while minimizing harm. I'm not sure where incest fits into that picture. I haven't given it a lot of thought.

But surely that has nothing to do with the gay issue. Please don't do the whole "next they'll be having sex with sheep" bit. It's old and boring.
You asked Q about the slippery slope. Polygyny would most likely be next, followed by incest, and I would wager, it will eventually come to human and animal. And in maybe 200 years people will be considered bigots for not wanting incest and beastiality to occur.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107693 Jun 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Incest in the Animal Kingdom is very normal.... all needed is to check out the local deer populations, cat population and wild dog and wolf populations inner family procreation is prevalent in all social animal groups in the wild...
Oddly enough, for most species it's beneficial as well, since they mate with multiple partners, effectively increasing the chances of passing on beneficial traits.

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#107694 Jun 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>That was before science and evidence demonstrated otherwise.

Also, it is not really true that most people thought the world was flat. I mean, I guess you average bumpkin assumed something like that. I don't know. But as early as 600 BCE the Greeks were hypothesizing that the earth was a sphere. If this was 600 BCE and there were public schools then it might be the mainstream view that the earth is probably flat. If that's the case then that's what would be taught.

Science is self-correcting. It does not need to be 100% accurate all the time. It changes. The best you can possibly do as a layperson is go with the current best consensus on a subject and give it your *conditional* trust.

More study, more time, and more criticism create more or less certainty.
You consider rulers of countries as bumpkins?
My point is, just because it is mainstream doesn't mean it's right, so why teach it until it is known? If it was taught as an uncertainty, I'd be ok with that. But to teach mainstream opinion as fact can be dangerous.

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#107695 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Animals kill for food or to protect food territory.
Looking at the history of the world, humans certainly do this.
Looking at the bible, humans certainly do this and often claim they did it with gods blessing.
Animals kill for fun too. Not sure why you don't know this.

My point was, just because homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom, it doesn't make it right. So stop using it as a reason to accept it.

Animals kill their own kind for food (cannibalism). That doesn't mean it's ok for us to do it too.
Animals kill for fun. That doesn't mean we should follow their lead and call it natural.

My dog used to hump a basketball, that doesn't mean humans should.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107696 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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You asked Q about the slippery slope. Polygyny would most likely be next, followed by incest, and I would wager, it will eventually come to human and animal. And in maybe 200 years people will be considered bigots for not wanting incest and beastiality to occur.
Then why has it not in any of the countries that have allowed gay marriage? That is why your slippery slope is a fallacy, because there is no evidence suggesting that it would happen, none, zero. It is also the exact same slipper slope used by those against interracial marriage. You have so little faith in humanity because you put it all into your imaginary friend. But humanity is real, and does a lot of good things, your imaginary friend is not real, and has not done any good things.

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#107697 Jun 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Incest is not natural. Homosexual behavior is prevalent in nature, but incest is not. Incest is prevalent in the bible though. In fact, the claim of the bible shows all humans are the product of two relationships of incest, Adam and Eve, and Noah and his family.

Incest is known to result in deformations in offspring. This alone will keep it off the list of what our government will condone.
There is a case right now of a father and a daughter who were separated when she was young. They met, formed a sexual relationship, then found out they were related.
They are trying to prove that there is a biological attraction there because they are blood related, when in most cases, if they had been able to stay together, forms a mental block that tells the brain that person is off limits. Kinda like if your sister was hot, you'd still think she was gross. But if you were separated, you wouldn't see it that way. In other words, they are trying to prove that this is natural, and biologically sound.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107698 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Animals kill for fun too. Not sure why you don't know this.
....
Because it's not supported by any evidence.
known truth

Tampa, FL

#107699 Jun 29, 2013
Matthew 16:23
King James Version (KJV)

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

1 Peter 5:8)
King James James (KJV)

8 BE sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Corinthians 15:33
King James Version (KJV))

33 Be not deceived: evil communication corrupt good manners.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107700 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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There is a case right now of a father and a daughter who were separated when she was young. They met, formed a sexual relationship, then found out they were related.
They are trying to prove that there is a biological attraction there because they are blood related, when in most cases, if they had been able to stay together, forms a mental block that tells the brain that person is off limits. Kinda like if your sister was hot, you'd still think she was gross. But if you were separated, you wouldn't see it that way. In other words, they are trying to prove that this is natural, and biologically sound.
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