Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#107640 Jun 28, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>Well, that was disappointing. I've seen you dodge better than this before. It isn't a question of "why hasn't he?" it's a question of "could he?".
You're just sad that I get straight to the point and didn't play your game?

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#107641 Jun 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Incorrect, you don't seem to want to learn anything, since this has all been explained to you already. That means you are only attempting to discredit something you know nothing of, which is rather ironic, since you clearly know almost nothing about being a Mormon either.
Haha, I seem to know much more than you on one, if not both of those topics.
What makes you think you know more about being a Mormon than me? I'm really curious to know that one.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107642 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Animals kill each other too, not just for food either. That doesn't mean we should copy that behavior either.
Humans do as well, however other animals do only kill for food or self defense of a threat, we kill for no valid reason.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107643 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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I didn't say proof. I said conclusive evidence.
Conclusive evidence is simply a matter of acknowledging all we know about genetics. The reproduction method of the species is determined by the genes, therefore, sexuality must also be determined by genes as well, lest when a new reproductive system evolves it does not propagate the species.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107644 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Haha, I seem to know much more than you on one, if not both of those topics.
What makes you think you know more about being a Mormon than me? I'm really curious to know that one.
You have demonstrated that you know less about the Mormon religion than I do on this thread, of course, I was raised in that religion and didn't just wake up one morning and decide to choose it. It's amazing how much you will learn about something you are forced to learn but cannot justify the belief.
Caffienated

Glasgow, KY

#107645 Jun 29, 2013
How do you people stay up so late? Fill me in the secret! Do you have to use methamphetamines?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107646 Jun 29, 2013
Caffienated wrote:
How do you people stay up so late? Fill me in the secret! Do you have to use methamphetamines?
Your nickname for one, the other being that I am a night-owl. ;) No drugs needed.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#107647 Jun 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Your nickname for one, the other being that I am a night-owl. ;) No drugs needed.
Hehehee....plus the fact that you are on the West Coast.
You could go to bed at midnight and still be up 3 hours later than most of the country.
BTW, I enjoy your posts. You are a knowledgable kitty.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#107648 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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If there is a God,but there are those who do not believe there is then what Bacon says is very relevant and accurate.
Those who deny God may well be suffering from Cotard's syndrome
The Cotard delusion or Cotard's syndrome, also known as nihilistic or negation delusion, is a rare neuropsychiatric disorder in which a person holds a delusional belief that he or she is dead,and that God does not exist
Read more: http://www.monstropedia.org/index.php...
In this lecture, Cotard described a patient with the pseudonym of Mademoiselle X, who denied the existence of God, the Devil, several parts of her body and denied she needed to eat.
And it may be that you should concern yourself with the detrimental
effect on your mental health caused by your foolish bellief that there is no God.
That problem is self inflicted.
Don't blame Christianity or God....
You have posted a bunch of information about atheism and suicide. I have not read the report, but I am familiar with the topic.

In fact, if you dig into the statistics deeply enough you will find that belief or lack of belief is not the problem. Rather, the problems seem to be lack of a social network and lack of certainty.

People who report high devotion to religion and high fundamentalism tend to be "happier" than people who report moderate religiosity. But at the same time people who report certainty in their *lack of* belief are also "happier" than moderately religious people.

Where you find the slight spike in suicide rates is that mushy zone in the middle where people are less certain about their beliefs.

Also, there are lots of factors leading into this and belief in god is not even the most relevant. Highly religious people are more likely to be married and more likely to stay married longer. Marriages correlate with good health because a) stability is healthy and b) having a concerned partner means you are more likely to take care of yourself, go to the doctor, etc.

Among non-religious people with a high degree of certainty about their beliefs marriage rates are not as high, though not very low. And their divorce rate is not as high as the middle-grade religious people or wishy-washy unaffiliated.

Luke Galen, a Ph.D. at Grand Valley State University, has done a ton of work on the psychology of religion and non-belief. If you click on the pdf below and go to slide #16 (I think that's the one) it shows the difference in happiness he has found between various groups of people. As you can see his data found no real difference:

http://www.doubtcast.org/podcast/profiles_of_...

There is a lot more to this story than "religion is good for you". It is about social networks and instability, not god.

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#107649 Jun 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Humans do as well, however other animals do only kill for food or self defense of a threat, we kill for no valid reason.
That's not 100% true. Some animals kill for fun

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#107650 Jun 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Conclusive evidence is simply a matter of acknowledging all we know about genetics. The reproduction method of the species is determined by the genes, therefore, sexuality must also be determined by genes as well, lest when a new reproductive system evolves it does not propagate the species.
How is it that sexuality must be determined by genes?

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#107651 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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Not as much as your pride stands in your way.
Do whut?

I'm not sure what you mean. Pride in what? And what is it standing in the way of? Kolob? A new set of undies with runes on them? Membership to an overtly racist and homophobic organization that will demand 10% of my money as well as my intellectual integrity?

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#107652 Jun 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>You have demonstrated that you know less about the Mormon religion than I do on this thread, of course, I was raised in that religion and didn't just wake up one morning and decide to choose it. It's amazing how much you will learn about something you are forced to learn but cannot justify the belief.
Try me

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#107653 Jun 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
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Time tells the tale... As I said the slippery slope tilts a bit with each slip.... And it starts already...
Polygamists consider the SCOTUS ruling a trail blazing ruling for consideration of Marriage being between several consenting adults... And when that is found valid then comes net slip followed shortly by the Animal Rights groups to give animals standing in the marital status....
http://www.mrc.org/articles/polygamy-advocate...
So? Where does your slippery slope fallacy stop slipping?

I assume you are old. Were you concerned when it became universally legal for blacks to marry whites? Oh, next thing you know Mexicans will want to marry Kentuckians!

If polygamists, of which there probably aren't that many, want to pursue their case then let them pursue it. If their case is compelling then guess what? We'll allow polygamy at some point. If their case fails the test then we won't.

You can't freeze-frame society at the moment when Ward Cleaver walks in the door and supper is on the table. It doesn't work that way.

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#107654 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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Of course ,the fact that this report was based on a Scientific Study conducted by the American Journal of Psychiatry is rendered meaningless by the simple fact that the report concludes that,because of their unbelief,Suicide and other mental problems are much more prevalent among those non affiliated than those affiliated with religion.
Now,how does an Atheist deal with that issue?
He/She is unable to accept the results and has to go into denial.
Any excuse will be used to attempt to negate the Scientific findings of this report.
These are the same individuals who claim that nothing created something from nothing,which eventually gave birth to the stars ,planets and life as we know it.
They can not explain how it happened......
It was an accident,who knows.
Most certainly could not have been created by a superior intelligence,but,noninteiligen ce is quite capable of creating such a miracle.
You need to understand a couple of things:

1) NEVER link to sources that are universally considered to be completely stupid, such as conservapedia. If you find an article on that site that links to a real source then post a link to the *real* source. If I see a link to conservapedia I do not click it and I assume the poster is a full-blown nuthut.

2) One study proves nothing. This is true of ANY study. For example, there was a study from a few years ago that showed homophobia correlates with homosexual arousal. In other words, the more anti-gay you act the more likely you are to have homosexual desires. But one study proves nothing. So it would be foolish to go around claiming that homophobes are closeted gays (though it is a fun way to rib a**holes).

3) Studies do not always tell us enough information. As was already pointed out, your suicide article does not demonstrate that belief in god reduces suicide rates. The actual factors involved are more complex than that and have more to do with social concerns that personal beliefs.

Have a nice day. I'm going to go wallow in my nihilism, read some Sartre, and take a bunch of pills to fill the baby Jesus-shaped hole in my heart. lol

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

Somerset, KY

#107655 Jun 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Humans do as well, however other animals do only kill for food or self defense of a threat, we kill for no valid reason.
Many Animals kill for Sport....

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#107656 Jun 29, 2013
Seek Saving Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God. I will be praying for your soul.
May God show you his saving grace mixed with HIS saving faith soon.
How he Jesus died JUST for YOU. How he was buried just for YOU. How he arose just for YOU.
Why did he do this for you?
Are you that special to God.........YES......you are!!!
Pick up a bible and begin to examine your self to see where you stand with God today.
Seek salvation while you are able and still alive to call upon him for eternal salvation.
Hearing comes from god? I thought it was to do with ears.

I've read large portions of the Bible and I've studied it via lectures and such. It's a fascinating topic.

But it is not relevant to me personally, beyond being a book that was influential in the development of the world I live in.

It's cute and sweet that you feel like you are trying to help people. I appreciate that. Good job. But remember that other people do not see things like you do. What you feel in your heart is not necessarily the truth about how the world is.

Reason and evidence are required before I'll give any god claims a second thought.

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#107657 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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So should those that wish to practice incest be allowed those rights?
I don't know. It's a good question. I think we need to maximize liberties while minimizing harm. I'm not sure where incest fits into that picture. I haven't given it a lot of thought.

But surely that has nothing to do with the gay issue. Please don't do the whole "next they'll be having sex with sheep" bit. It's old and boring.

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#107658 Jun 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
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At one time "the world is flat" was a mainstream idea
That was before science and evidence demonstrated otherwise.

Also, it is not really true that most people thought the world was flat. I mean, I guess you average bumpkin assumed something like that. I don't know. But as early as 600 BCE the Greeks were hypothesizing that the earth was a sphere. If this was 600 BCE and there were public schools then it might be the mainstream view that the earth is probably flat. If that's the case then that's what would be taught.

Science is self-correcting. It does not need to be 100% accurate all the time. It changes. The best you can possibly do as a layperson is go with the current best consensus on a subject and give it your *conditional* trust.

More study, more time, and more criticism create more or less certainty.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107659 Jun 29, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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I fully understand that all Atheists will attempt to destroy the credibility of the report published by The American Journal of Psychiatry.
According to it's findings,not believing in God is very detrimental to your mental health.
The solution to the problem appears to be to seek God.
Obviously that is a subject Atheists do not want to discuss.
To clear the air,I will post the entire report
So believing in the boogie man is good mental health?
I have yet to see this supposed report, did you post a link?
Does it have logical reasoning behind the claim? If so, just what is the logic here?

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